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Census finds record gap between rich and poor

No corporation takes your money by force. None.

The government, however . . .

Shows how little you know. When they are able to pay taxes at a lower rate, that sure isn't giving me money! They are benefitting from our government, and I am paying a higher rate to support their benefits.
 
you cite this as fact, counsel. then establish this fact. show us that he does not do well


what is your evidence to establish that he does not prosper

and being unable to provide proof of your "facts", you might do well to ponder this excerpt from the distionary.com definition of projection:

he? who are you talking about--SHE has been whining about corporate America constantly

your rants about me are funny as they are inaccurate

edify me as to your education so I may determine if you have the ability to actually apply some definition you googled to me

I doubt it
 
Shows how little you know. When they are able to pay taxes at a lower rate, that sure isn't giving me money! They are benefitting from our government, and I am paying a higher rate to support their benefits.

you don't. Unless you are making over 117K a year you are getting more in government benefits than you pay in taxes. Net tax payers are those who are carrying the load for everyone else.
 
Put some facts out to back up your nonsense.

Twenty years later, the capital gains tax breaks are back with a vengeance-- the top tax rate on capital gains is 15 percent, less than half the 35 percent top rate on regular income-- and Berkshire Hathaway chairman Warren Buffett is ringing the same bell:
Last year, Buffett said, he was taxed at 17.7 percent on his taxable income of more than $46 million. His receptionist was taxed at about 30 percent.
By most accounts, the driving factor behind his super-low tax rate is that virtually all of his income comes in the form of capital gains.

Talking Taxes: Buffett: The Rich Pay Too Little



What you mean is "he would pay the same" - what you fail to acknowledge is that most wealthy people don't. Not if their earnings mostly come from capital gains.


The government plays an important part in helping him make his riches. Sure, he probably doesn't have to use Medicare, but you're fixed on the social programs alone. I already listed all the benefits people like Buffett derive from our form of government, that you want to deny it just shows thickheadness and unwillingness to give up the nonsense that rich people hoarding more of their money helps you and me and the country. It has been proven wrong.

They still enjoyed their tax cuts in 2008 and 2009, so where are the jobs that allowing them a lower tax rate brings? Where are the businesses that are supposed to be stirred by their tax cuts. If it wasn't for Obama's recent bill to help small businesses get loans, they wouldn't be able to because banks weren't lending, the rich people are hoarding their money, the only thing they are stimulating is their own bank accounts.

so you think capital gains should be taxed the same as wage income

that demonstrates a frightening lack of understanding about economics and would drive even more capital out of this country

only a real moron could argue that Buffett is a net tax consumer or that he doesn't get near what he pays in taxes in terms of services.

He also structured his compensation to minimize taxes and then he whines about it

DO you know what his SALARY (which he sets) is? Less than a first year wall street lawyer's or a MBA hire at Goldman-Sachs
 
Shows how little you know. When they are able to pay taxes at a lower rate, that sure isn't giving me money! They are benefitting from our government, and I am paying a higher rate to support their benefits.

No one said they were giving you money. If you're paying higher taxes, take it up with the government. They're the ones who help themselves to it.
 
Mertex, seriously? I hope you understand that people get what they work for and some do not.
First of all, your statement doesn't even make sense. What is your point?

But still who said anything about life being fair?
So you accept whatever comes your way with an attitude of "that's life?" Interesting.

What people deserve is the chance and people in the states do have that chance.
I'm sorry, I don't really understand your babble.

I just see a lot of people in this thread who are complaining about not being rich so they get angry for the rich being rich.
I think you have a problem with comprehension. I've not read any post from someone complaining about not being rich. Perhaps you would like to point it out to me.

You gotta hustle if you want money. Or get a degree that does not have tens of thousands of people studying like something in Eng.
Thanks for the enlightening information. Now, why don't you take your own advise and go and do that, I don't have time to play right now.
 
No one said they were giving you money. If you're paying higher taxes, take it up with the government. They're the ones who help themselves to it.

No, you said they were not taking money from me. I didn't say I was paying higher taxes, do you always make stuff up?

Have you tried the Chat threads, you might find those more enjoyable.
 
Then please give another solution. The poor dont have any, the middle class is going broke. I want lower taxes for everyone and a government that lets its adult citizens to be free to choose the life they want. But how do we pay back the 13 plus trillion in debt we have.

Cut back on spending. Cut way back. Cut back on taxes as well. Pay off the debt little by little, but don't sacrifice growth in order to pay it off.
 
Oy vey.


1. This country doesn't exactly have low taxes for those the wealthy. Today 250,000 a year qualifies you as "millionaires and billionaires".

2. Yes, people fought and died so we could be free people. Not to be manhandled by a foreign government and especially by our very own government.

3. Give back? The wealthy pay the brunt of the tax burden. They are overtaxed. The also give to charity. They give far more than they should. In the process government is killing the geese that lay the golden eggs; Jobs.


a. You want them to leave? Some have and more will when government oversteps, and tramples the private sector. Today you don't have to "take it", you can pack up your fortune and leave. The beauty of modern mobility.

b. Spit on you? Seems you feel they owe you something? What is it that you want the government to steal from private individuals to pass on to you?

c. Cowards and crybabies... perhaps when you're old enough to run a business... you'll understand.

Sad stuff... class envy just oozes out of ender's post.

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Do not make assumptions. I am a business owner. I own two in fact. Both doing well enough to qulify for me in the top tax bracket you insist is barely enough to scrape by on. What, you assume just because I think your being selfish that I'm poor or middle class. There are plenty of wealthy people who have compassion for those with less. Although it seams very few or none here.

Its good to finally understand that the ultra conservative on this board only see this country as a way to get wealthy. That explains a lot.

The wealthy pay the brunt of the taxes because we MAKE the brunt of the income. No, we are not over taxed. I also give not only money but over 2000 hrs plus a year for charity. The trickle down theory is bunk.

I stand by what I said. If the only reason your here is for money then leave. I only wish there was a way to make it illegal for you to come back.

b. If you live here you should be a patriot and a citizen. Not a gready, selfish angry person.

c. Please read the first part. I see that your anger is so deep that you cant even think of anyone but yourself. You must be a pretty miserable person.

Without knowing who your chatting with you should not jump to conclusions. I am heavily involved in the banking and medical field. While not a lawyer my partners are. I listen to how unjust taxes are as people drive expencive cars to expencive houses after expencive meals. After awhile its just hard to listen to. Maybe its new money. Old money seams to be a lot less bitter.
 
Cut back on spending. Cut way back. Cut back on taxes as well. Pay off the debt little by little, but don't sacrifice growth in order to pay it off.

I 100% agree with cutting spending but 13 Trillion is to much to cut taxes at this point.
 
I 100% agree with cutting spending but 13 Trillion is to much to cut taxes at this point.

Who's to say that it wouldn't bring in more revenue though? At least in the long run it will increase economic output, so cut taxes. At the very least simplify the tax code. That's a drain on production if I ever saw one.
 
No, you said they were not taking money from me.

No. I said they never forced any money from you. Speaking of making things up . . .

I didn't say I was paying higher taxes, do you always make stuff up?

Indeed you did:

I am paying a higher rate to support their benefits.


Have you tried the Chat threads, you might find those more enjoyable.

Probably, if this is the quality of your bringin' it.
 
....The trickle down theory is bunk....I listen to how unjust taxes are as people drive expencive cars to expencive houses after expencive meals. After awhile its just hard to listen to. Maybe its new money. Old money seams to be a lot less bitter.

Anybody else see something out of place in this statement?
 
First of all, your statement doesn't even make sense. What is your point?
My point is that you need to quit whining and grow up. When you do that you can then see the light and realize that the government is raping everyone in the ass. And there will be no stop to that until the government is put into check and limited to what it can take from its citizens.
So you accept whatever comes your way with an attitude of "that's life?" Interesting.
Yes that is life. Misery, inequality, all a part of life. The same can be said about happiness, love, etc. The point is that we as complex MAMMALS can CHOOSE to be happy. Regardless of what our material wealth is most people in this nation have food, a roof over their head. And if they do not it is because they are morons with money or because they just are stupid.


I'm sorry, I don't really understand your babble.
Ok, because most of the crap you post is better? I didn't think so. Quit posting crap from some extremist organization that if they had power the leaders would be just as corrupt as the ones we currently have now. And frankly taxing the hell out of everyone so that you can provide food, housing, healthcare for everyone is a dumb idea. That just makes everyone dependent on the government and that makes them weak.


I think you have a problem with comprehension. I've not read any post from someone complaining about not being rich. Perhaps you would like to point it out to me.
READ the sources you have posted. All are complaining about rich people and how they have so much money and how much money they make compare to everyone else. What is their equality that everyone earns six figures? That is stupid and frankly it is complaining about not having enough money, ie not rich.


Thanks for the enlightening information. Now, why don't you take your own advise and go and do that, I don't have time to play right now.
No instead of playing you want to steal that is always better than playing by the rules and doing it with your head. You instead like the government want to do it with force.
 
goes along with the claim of being a libertarian.

What do lawyers and bullfrogs have in common? Both have a big head that consists mainly of mouth.

My laywer friend told me that one.
 
Trickle-down is bunk, new money people are bitter. You don't see it?

Yes, I do see what your trying to say. Lets address them seperate then together. The "Give the money to the wealthy so that they can hire others" was tried and where did that lead us. A gap between the haves and the have nots. It is my experience that the best way for this country to be strong is to have a large middle class. Maybe thats the difference. I want the country to prosper where others seam to only be concerned about themselves.

New money comment. Its not true for all. I did make a generality. Look at the Gates family. They are new money but look at all of the good they are doing. I have also dealt with people who have old money. They seam to be much more calculated and calm regarding finances. When you make a comment that 450K is not enough to live on and that if taxes go up people are stealing from you then you come off sounding selfesh and uncaring. One out of seven Americans makes less than 20k. Maybe a little gratitude for the go a long way.

Putting them together: Trickle-down being bunk does not mean that nobody got rich. The number of wealthy people has gone up consistantly over the last two decades. That does not give validation to trickle down.
 
What do lawyers and bullfrogs have in common? Both have a big head that consists mainly of mouth.

My laywer friend told me that one.

that is true for many-you won't ever bother me by bashing attorneys.

if I had my way they'd close 90% of the law schools-there are way too many attorneys and many of them are a drag on society

what do you do btw?
 
Yes, I do see what your trying to say. Lets address them seperate then together. The "Give the money to the wealthy so that they can hire others" was tried and where did that lead us. A gap between the haves and the have nots. It is my experience that the best way for this country to be strong is to have a large middle class. Maybe thats the difference. I want the country to prosper where others seam to only be concerned about themselves.

New money comment. Its not true for all. I did make a generality. Look at the Gates family. They are new money but look at all of the good they are doing. I have also dealt with people who have old money. They seam to be much more calculated and calm regarding finances. When you make a comment that 450K is not enough to live on and that if taxes go up people are stealing from you then you come off sounding selfesh and uncaring. One out of seven Americans makes less than 20k. Maybe a little gratitude for the go a long way.

Putting them together: Trickle-down being bunk does not mean that nobody got rich. The number of wealthy people has gone up consistantly over the last two decades. That does not give validation to trickle down.

no one is GIVING the rich money

one of the great myths of the left and the faux right
 
no one is GIVING the rich money

one of the great myths of the left and the faux right

I never claimed that they did. I have a great deal of respect for anyone who takes a chance and opens a business. That is to me the American dream. Far to few people try.
 
I never claimed that they did. I have a great deal of respect for anyone who takes a chance and opens a business. That is to me the American dream. Far to few people try.

cool beans-but this place crawls with people who claim that tax cuts are giving the rich money
 
that is true for many-you won't ever bother me by bashing attorneys.

if I had my way they'd close 90% of the law schools-there are way too many attorneys and many of them are a drag on society

what do you do btw?
Well its my distraction to counter your distraction from the topic. My lean is toward Libertarian. I do see why you make the statements you make regarding it. Honestly the leaning has much more to do with civil rights but I do still want the economic side. Unfortunately, the country is going in the wrong direction. I see my statements more about reality and fact than preference. We owe to much and spend to much. There are few choices left other than raising taxes. Thats just a fact not a desire.

I believe that corp greed has caused much of the issues we have. Freddie, Fannie, Exxon, Monsanto have all let greed lead them to do bad things. The government has been purchased and either helped them or turned a blind eye. It is not a level playing field where everyone has a chance. A lucky few do make it. The rest dont have a chance. If we stopped catering to big business then more Americans can realized the dream.

What I do: I have a BTB that does marketing and sales. My wife runs that. I work with finance and hospitals. Mostly with business planning and management. I have degrees in business and economics. My spelling is awful. I should have been a doctor.
 
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