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Census finds record gap between rich and poor

winston53660 said:
It certainly is more intrusion on the business
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they already collect sales taxes. My wife and I ran a business for years that was retail sporting goods. it wasn't that big a hassle-our cash register program gave us monthly reports and we'd send a check to the state tax bureau every month, doing it for the feds would be not much additional work. so it is your opinion that government decreases by having an IRS and making every tax payer fill out a 1040?

I guess your reply pretty much concedes that I am right and you are wrong.
 
hazlnut said:
Census finds record gap between rich and poor



Even if the release of this was timed, it's still relevant to the midterms and taxes.

Now is not the time to give an additional tax break to the wealthy and super-wealthy.
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Or a more radical solution of getting back onto backed currency so inflation doesn't eat up the poor's wealth. Naw that would be too easy.
 
ender1 said:
I am a libertarian. If I was king the government would be half the size it is and give me my constitutional righs back. What you confuse is the difference between how we pay the bills we have today and what the government looks like tomorrow. Today we have to find a way to pay the bills. In the future we need to dramaticly cut government spending.
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cutting down the government is always a goal. a tax system that captures lots of illegal income and cuts down on government control on people is a great idea.
 
TurtleDude said:
their credentials probably made them qualified to teach law school. neither one had done much in terms of the private sector which is rather troublesome.
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I will have to look but President Obama had something like 20yrs of practicing law. Most of it in public service. I think thats how he met his wife.

President Clinton served 35years. Again Its going off of memory but I am almost certain it was over 30 years.
 
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TurtleDude[/LEFT];1059038902]they already collect sales taxes. My wife and I ran a business for years that was retail sporting goods. it wasn't that big a hassle-our cash register program gave us monthly reports and we'd send a check to the state tax bureau every month, doing it for the feds would be not much additional work. so it is your opinion that government decreases by having an IRS and making every tax payer fill out a 1040?

I guess your reply pretty much concedes that I am right and you are wrong.
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I've run a photography business where at times clients were tax exempt and others weren't. I see many problems with your proposal and many rules for business to abide by. And for business' that do
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across state lines it can get even more complicated.
 
TurtleDude said:
cutting down the government is always a goal. a tax system that captures lots of illegal income and cuts down on government control on people is a great idea.
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What about the black market.

<hushed tones> hey turtle man. . .you want some tax free Captain Crunch <end of hushed tones>
 
ender1 said:
I will have to look but President Obama had something like 20yrs of practicing law. Most of it in public service. I think thats how he met his wife.

President Clinton served 35years. Again Its going off of memory but I am almost certain it was over 30 years.
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good luck with that. being a community organizer is not practicing law, being a politician is not practicing law. being a lecturer at a law school is not practicing law. The guy went to law school at 25 or so and is under 50-do the math
 
ender1 said:
What about the black market.

<hushed tones> hey turtle man. . .you want some tax free Captain Crunch <end of hushed tones>
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yeah that is a problem-just as it is now. but its alot harder for a mercedes dealer to hide a bunch of sales then it is for a drug dealer to hide his drug income.
 
winston53660 said:
I've run a photography business where at times clients were tax exempt and others weren't. I see many problems with your proposal and many rules for business to abide by. And for business' that do
business​
across state lines it can get even more complicated.
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how is a federal sales tax going ot be an interstate issue

and I am waiting for you to admit (and save some credibility) that a sales tax is going to mean less government than the current system

it also castrates congressional power. congress gets a tremendous amount of power by telling the poor that if they vote for say the dems, they will get more handouts that only the top 2% will have to pay for with increased taxes.

if the dems want to raise taxes with a NST or consumption tax they are going to piss everyone who buys stuff off. lot tougher than the current system where the obamunists promised the majority more goodies and health care paid for by a minority only
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah that is a problem-just as it is now. but its alot harder for a mercedes dealer to hide a bunch of sales then it is for a drug dealer to hide his drug income.
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Are you going to tax his illegal drug sales.
 
TurtleDude said:
how is a federal sales tax going ot be an interstate issue

and I am waiting for you to admit (and save some credibility) that a sales tax is going to mean less government than the current system

it also castrates congressional power. congress gets a tremendous amount of power by telling the poor that if they vote for say the dems, they will get more handouts that only the top 2% will have to pay for with increased taxes.

if the dems want to raise taxes with a NST or consumption tax they are going to piss everyone who buys stuff off. lot tougher than the current system where the obamunists promised the majority more goodies and health care paid for by a minority only
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Your federal sales tax means more government for business. It is another tax in addition to sales tax for business to keep records on. And yes there are state issues. For example in NJ clothing is tax free. That is how the state wants it is it a violation of states rights to impose a consumption tax in Jersey on clothes?
 
ender1 said:
Are you going to tax his illegal drug sales.
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you cannot using either system-but when he buys a car under the current system with the proceeds from selling 5 kilos of coke, the federal government gets no taxes. under my system there is a far better chance the feds will get taxes.
 
winston53660 said:
Your federal sales tax means more government for business. It is another tax in addition to sales tax for business to keep records on. And yes there are state issues. For example in NJ clothing is tax free. That is how the state wants it is it a violation of states rights to impose a consumption tax in Jersey on clothes?
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wrong-ever heard of the Robbinson PIttman Act? not a state right issue. different sovereigns

try again-this is one of the areas I have some professional expertise in.
 
TurtleDude said:
you cannot using either system-but when he buys a car under the current system with the proceeds from selling 5 kilos of coke, the federal government gets no taxes. under my system there is a far better chance the feds will get taxes.
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No, they guy who buys the coke paid income taxes so the money spent on the coke has already been taxed.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong-ever heard of the Robbinson PIttman Act? not a state right issue. different sovereigns

try again-this is one of the areas I have some professional expertise in.
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You just said you had a retail sports store what gives?

So if you want to enact the R P act businesses doing business in state "x" that doesn't tax widget "a" now have to keep records on widget "a" for that state. And it can get more complicated from their. In the mean time I'm fairly confident that the states will fight this.
 
TurtleDude said:
wrong-ever heard of the Robbinson PIttman Act? not a state right issue. different sovereigns

try again-this is one of the areas I have some professional expertise in.
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Damn tax on my stuff to kill stuff
 
ender1 said:
No, they guy who buys the coke paid income taxes so the money spent on the coke has already been taxed.
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can you find a study that would suggest that the income tax would capture more illegal income than a consumption tax? I doubt you can

I suspect you concede the fact that a consumption tax means less government control on the majority of citizens.
 
winston53660 said:
You just said you had a retail sports store what gives?

So if you want to enact the R P act businesses doing business in state "x" that doesn't tax widget "a" now have to keep records on widget "a" for that state. And it can get more complicated from their. In the mean time I'm fairly confident that the states will fight this.
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lets cut the crap

what system is going to involve less government control on the citizens as a whole
it doesn't matter what state someone is from-you collect the same NST on each purchase.
 
TurtleDude said:
can you find a study that would suggest that the income tax would capture more illegal income than a consumption tax? I doubt you can

I suspect you concede the fact that a consumption tax means less government control on the majority of citizens.
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I have no idea if there is a study for illegal income captured with a consumption tax over an income tax. I dont think most drugs should be illegal. That would solve that.

I never argued that a cunsumption tax means less governement. I argued that it would seriously damage our economy and is a regressive tax.
 
TurtleDude said:
lets cut the crap

what system is going to involve less government control on the citizens as a whole
it doesn't matter what state someone is from-you collect the same NST on each purchase.
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And this means more government intrusion on business.
 
ender1 said:
I have no idea if there is a study for illegal income captured with a consumption tax over an income tax. I dont think most drugs should be illegal. That would solve that.

I never argued that a cunsumption tax means less governement. I argued that it would seriously damage our economy and is a regressive tax.
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fair enough but I disagree it would damage the economy
 
winston53660 said:
And this means more government intrusion on business.
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that's not the issue-the issue is what system would increase freedom overall and decrease government power over all

do you have an issue with answering questions honestly?
 
TurtleDude said:
that's not the issue-the issue is what system would increase freedom overall and decrease government power over all

do you have an issue with answering questions honestly?
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The issue is business and I want business to be easier to conduct devoid of government involvement.
 
winston53660 said:
The issue is business and I want business to be easier to conduct devoid of government involvement.
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yeah I believe that I really do, you want less government control over businesses

sorry my BS detector just shorted out

but thanks again for answering my question with your evasion

BTW I never ask a question of someone I disagree with if I don't already know the answer.
 
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