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Census finds record gap between rich and poor

JakeFromWI said:
The gap between the rich and the poor started broadening after 2006? I need to take a break!
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Maybe you should take a break, because I never said anything close to that.
 
TurtleDude said:
John Birch was a missionary (Baptist) and US intelligence officer killed in China in 1945 by Chinese Communists. I doubt a Baptist Missionary would call religion an opiate of the masses. So as usual, your ignorance of history leads to a comment devoid of logic. The chance you have ever heard of William Blake or understood his philosophy is even smaller than you knowing who John Birch was
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Oh your probably right, but you still sound just like a Bircher.
 
Moot said:
Oh your probably right, but you still sound just like a Bircher.
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really? since you haven't a clue who John Birch was what would give us any inkling that you have a clue about the John Birch society?
 
TurtleDude said:
more nonsense-the rich subsidize the middle class massively. I just tire of increasing that subsidy
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Only in the Republican revised book on economics. The have-mores, wasn't that Bush's base?

This policy is typical of the way the federal government does business. In case after case, Washington’s web of subsidies and tax breaks effectively takes money from the middle class and hands it out to speculators and have-mores. We subsidize drug companies, oil companies, agribusinesses disguised as “family farms” and “clean energy” firms that aren’t energy-efficient at all. We give tax breaks to immensely profitable corporations that don’t need the money and boondoggles that wouldn’t exist without government favoritism.
Matthew Yglesias » Subsidizing the Rich
 
TurtleDude said:
really? since you haven't a clue who John Birch was what would give us any inkling that you have a clue about the John Birch society?
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You seem to know quite a bit about Birch and the JBS. Perhaps a little too much, eh?
 
TurtleDude said:
really? since you haven't a clue who John Birch was what would give us any inkling that you have a clue about the John Birch society?
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And who do you think the John Birch society is?

John Birch Society and Mormon Prophecies about the US Constitution
Evangel Magazine (?) | 2002 | Dennis A. Wright
Posted on January 10, 2010 2:47:27 AM CST by CondoleezzaProtege

"...G. Vance Smith, a committed Mormon, now leads the Society. Vance Smith is systematically removing people from leadership positions within the John Birch Society and replacing them with Mormons. One gathers that Smith does not feel that he is accountable to the membership concerning his reasons for the replacement of longtime leadership. There seems to be no accountability factor. Longtime Birchers are leaving the Society en masse.
John Birch Society and Mormon Prophecies about the US Constitution


A Good Reason To Leave The John Birch Society
Masonic Roots of Mormonism
By Mark Hines - M.A.

Salt Lake Tabernacle - East and West Temple
~ Foreword ~

I now know that the John Birch Society is a front organization set up to attract and control unsuspecting Patriots that wish to band together to make a difference in our Country. I have heard testimony, after testimony about this strange Society that sucks time and money out of its members. Their Get Us Out of the UN program has been running for years without any positive results, yet they keep encouraging members to devote thousands of dollars to keep this program running. A couple of years ago, I decided to penetrate this austere organization to find out what was going on. The Society had a great Magazine - The New American, and they had what seemed to be a great group of people. After all, they seemed to be against the collectivists that were destroying our Constitution! There was one thing that bothered me about this Society. It was run by Mormons. John Birch was a Baptist Missionary, so what in the hell is the Mormon Church doing with a Baptist Missionary's Testimony? How did they get permission and the rights to claim his name? This Society is a setup folks! Not only is the Illuminati eye visible on Mormon temples, but also the Mormons admit to being close friends with the Freemasons! So here it is, the proof that you need..
Federal Observer Articles - Federal Observer




Shock And Awe Graphics: Questions To Ask At A John Birch Society Meeting
 
These stupid gap between rich and poor studies don't actually follow the rich and poor, they follow classes. Last time I checked, people are free to move from one class to another by changing their income. If you don't follow people, then what's the point? If I made $5,000,000 last year and $20,000 this year, am I poor? Doubtful, I'm probably still living off that $5 million.
 
mertex said:
Only in the Republican revised book on economics. The have-mores, wasn't that Bush's base?

This policy is typical of the way the federal government does business. In case after case, Washington’s web of subsidies and tax breaks effectively takes money from the middle class and hands it out to speculators and have-mores. We subsidize drug companies, oil companies, agribusinesses disguised as “family farms” and “clean energy” firms that aren’t energy-efficient at all. We give tax breaks to immensely profitable corporations that don’t need the money and boondoggles that wouldn’t exist without government favoritism.
Matthew Yglesias » Subsidizing the Rich
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wow a blog from some nobody that no one has heard of-a philosophy major who has no real experience other than whining about the right.

his opinion is left wing drivel. The top 10% pay most of the taxes so the handouts aren't being paid for by the middle class
 
mertex said:
And who do you think the John Birch society is?

John Birch Society and Mormon Prophecies about the US Constitution
Evangel Magazine (?) | 2002 | Dennis A. Wright
Posted on January 10, 2010 2:47:27 AM CST by CondoleezzaProtege

"...G. Vance Smith, a committed Mormon, now leads the Society. Vance Smith is systematically removing people from leadership positions within the John Birch Society and replacing them with Mormons. One gathers that Smith does not feel that he is accountable to the membership concerning his reasons for the replacement of longtime leadership. There seems to be no accountability factor. Longtime Birchers are leaving the Society en masse.
John Birch Society and Mormon Prophecies about the US Constitution


A Good Reason To Leave The John Birch Society
Masonic Roots of Mormonism
By Mark Hines - M.A.

Salt Lake Tabernacle - East and West Temple
~ Foreword ~

I now know that the John Birch Society is a front organization set up to attract and control unsuspecting Patriots that wish to band together to make a difference in our Country. I have heard testimony, after testimony about this strange Society that sucks time and money out of its members. Their Get Us Out of the UN program has been running for years without any positive results, yet they keep encouraging members to devote thousands of dollars to keep this program running. A couple of years ago, I decided to penetrate this austere organization to find out what was going on. The Society had a great Magazine - The New American, and they had what seemed to be a great group of people. After all, they seemed to be against the collectivists that were destroying our Constitution! There was one thing that bothered me about this Society. It was run by Mormons. John Birch was a Baptist Missionary, so what in the hell is the Mormon Church doing with a Baptist Missionary's Testimony? How did they get permission and the rights to claim his name? This Society is a setup folks! Not only is the Illuminati eye visible on Mormon temples, but also the Mormons admit to being close friends with the Freemasons! So here it is, the proof that you need..
Federal Observer Articles - Federal Observer




Shock And Awe Graphics: Questions To Ask At A John Birch Society Meeting
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anyone can google-you were clearly talking out of your six earlier. your comment about John Birch demonstrated a tsunami of ignorance
 
Moot said:
You seem to know quite a bit about Birch and the JBS. Perhaps a little too much, eh?
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only a liberal would equate knowledge with support. I am an expert on drug cartels as well. But I am glad your insult towards me is that I am better educated than the lib who didn't understand who John Birch. Go ahead, revel in your lack of knowledge, remember liberals believe ignorance is bliss.
 
TurtleDude said:
only a liberal would equate knowledge with support. I am an expert on drug cartels as well. But I am glad your insult towards me is that I am better educated than the lib who didn't understand who John Birch. Go ahead, revel in your lack of knowledge, remember liberals believe ignorance is bliss.
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Phew, an expert on drug cartels, eh. That oughta come in real handy when looking for a job in Ohio. But like you said anyone can "google" and become an "expert" off the internet. However, your true knowledge and understanding was revealed when you omitted the word "is" and confused me with another poster. ROTFLO
 
TurtleDude said:
wow a blog from some nobody that no one has heard of-a philosophy major who has no real experience other than whining about the right.

his opinion is left wing drivel. The top 10% pay most of the taxes so the handouts aren't being paid for by the middle class
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So, do speak for all nobodies or just yourself? Obviously you had to look Yglesias up on Google, so now you are an "expert" on him, too?
 
hazlnut said:
Census finds record gap between rich and poor



Even if the release of this was timed, it's still relevant to the midterms and taxes.

Now is not the time to give an additional tax break to the wealthy and super-wealthy.
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Who cares if the gap is a record? Except for Class Warfare Warriors.

Thieving wealth from the job creators isn't going to do a thing to help those lower down. In fact it hurts them even more.

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zimmer said:
Who cares if the gap is a record? Except for Class Warfare Warriors.

Thieving wealth from the job creators isn't going to do a thing to help those lower down. In fact it hurts them even more.

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A gap in the census record doesn't matter anyway. What we should be looking at is wealth, not income. A guy who has money in the bank is still rich even if he's retired, yet his income would be low, making him poor according to these standards.
 
phattonez said:
A gap in the census record doesn't matter anyway. What we should be looking at is wealth, not income. A guy who has money in the bank is still rich even if he's retired, yet his income would be low, making him poor according to these standards.
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True, but it shouldn't matter in either case or any case. But that's where a good portion of our society has sunk to; class warfare/envy society. Consumed with what others are doing and trying to knock them down.

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zimmer said:
True, but it shouldn't matter in either case or any case. But that's where a good portion of our society has sunk to; class warfare/envy society. Consumed with what others are doing and trying to knock them down.

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Nonsense. It is a real concern for a country when the middle class shrinks. And it has.
 
Boo Radley said:
Nonsense. It is a real concern for a country when the middle class shrinks. And it has.
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Proof? I mean following individuals, not census records.
 
Coronado said:
Cool, let's just keep soaking everyone so we're all equally miserable. God Bless America!!
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You mean, take back a fraction of the money that corporations receive from Americans in the form of subsidies, infrastructure, and lax enforcement of labor and environmental laws? I don't think that quite constitutes "soaking," and Sweden doesn't look very "miserable" to me - other than the natural effects of its climate.
 
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Troubadour said:
You mean, take back a fraction of the money that corporations receive from Americans in the form of subsidies, infrastructure, and lax enforcement of labor and environmental laws?
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How does a corporation steal from you? Name one corporation that has stolen money from you (without government assistance, of course).
 
Troubadour said:
You mean, take back a fraction of the money that corporations receive from Americans in the form of subsidies, infrastructure, and lax enforcement of labor and environmental laws?
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Um ... no.
Troubadour said:
I don't think that quite constitutes "soaking," and Sweden doesn't look very "miserable" to me - other than the natural effects of its climate.
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Frankly I don't give a **** about Sweden or what you think of it. I am tired of you stealing my money to pay for your little dumbass pet projects.
 
phattonez said:
Proof? I mean following individuals, not census records.
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I've a lot though the years. We even had a Bush report some years ago in which his people noted the gap.

The gap between the rich and poor in the United States grew at the same pace as the economic growth. Statistics show that the richest 1 percent of the US citizens own 40 percent of the total property of the country, while 80 percent of US citizens own just 16 percent.

Widening Gap Between Rich and Poor

Inequality in America: The rich, the poor and the growing gap ...
The rich, the poor and the growing gap between them. The rich are the big gainers in America's new prosperity. Register now and receive a 14-day premium ...
www.economist.com/inequality/

Income inequality has been rising since the late 1970s, and now rests at a level not seen since the Gilded Age—roughly 1870 to 1900, a period in U.S. history defined by the contrast between the excesses of the super-rich and the squalor of the poor.

Early in the twentieth century, the share of total national income drawn by the top 1 percent of U.S. earners hovered around 18 percent. That share hit an all-time high in 1928—when top earners took home 21.1 percent of all income, including capital gains—then dropped steadily through the next three decades. Amid the post-World War II boom in higher education, and overall economic growth, the American middle class swelled and prospered, and the top 1 percent of earners took home less than 10 percent of all income through the 1960s and 1970s. Since then, the topmost 1 percent have seen their share rise again: it shot past 15 percent in 1996 and crested at 20.3 percent in 2006, the most recent year for which numbers are available.

Unequal America | Harvard Magazine Jul-Aug 2008

That was just the first few on a search. But the this is not new. Effort at trying to excuse it do little to fix it, if it can be fixed.
 
phattonez said:
How does a corporation steal from you? Name one corporation that has stolen money from you (without government assistance, of course).
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They have also been busted for repeated credit card charges after people told them to stop.
 
Troubadour said:
You mean, take back a fraction of the money that corporations receive from Americans in the form of subsidies, infrastructure, and lax enforcement of labor and environmental laws? I don't think that quite constitutes "soaking," and Sweden doesn't look very "miserable" to me - other than the natural effects of its climate.
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Having lived in Sweden, I can tell you it's no Utopia... not by a long shot... and as proof, Swedish economists did a study comparing EU countries to US states. The standard of living of the best EU countries equaled our bottom five states.
http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf

They do have hot babes, and most think the pill is candy or some kind of multiple vitamin... so that kinda offsets living in a second rate country.

Boo: what does it matter if there is a gap between rich and poor? Stealing their wealth isn't going to make you life one iota better.

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zimmer said:
Having lived in Sweden, I can tell you it's no Utopia... not by a long shot... and as proof, Swedish economists did a study comparing EU countries to US states. The standard of living of the best EU countries equaled our bottom five states.
http://www.timbro.se/bokhandel/pdf/9175665646.pdf
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Deeply flawed methodology. For one thing, measures like per capita GDP and median income become invalid measures when inequality is too extreme - otherwise you could claim that a country with three billionaires and a million starving slaves is prosperous. Secondly, their definition of quality of life practically begs the question: They're basically saying quality of life is a function of how much money you spend, and that's clearly not the case. The United States under-provides basic services for close to half the population, and what the middle-class gets is both more expensive than and beneath the standards of what Northern Europeans expect as a matter of course from their government. The result is poverty. I'm sure Swedes have smaller TVs and less elaborate stereoes than we do, but their children can read, and the quality of their healthcare isn't dictated by how much their employers value them.[/QUOTE]
 
Boo Radley said:
I've a lot though the years. We even had a Bush report some years ago in which his people noted the gap.

The gap between the rich and poor in the United States grew at the same pace as the economic growth. Statistics show that the richest 1 percent of the US citizens own 40 percent of the total property of the country, while 80 percent of US citizens own just 16 percent.

Widening Gap Between Rich and Poor

Inequality in America: The rich, the poor and the growing gap ...
The rich, the poor and the growing gap between them. The rich are the big gainers in America's new prosperity. Register now and receive a 14-day premium ...
www.economist.com/inequality/

Income inequality has been rising since the late 1970s, and now rests at a level not seen since the Gilded Age—roughly 1870 to 1900, a period in U.S. history defined by the contrast between the excesses of the super-rich and the squalor of the poor.

Early in the twentieth century, the share of total national income drawn by the top 1 percent of U.S. earners hovered around 18 percent. That share hit an all-time high in 1928—when top earners took home 21.1 percent of all income, including capital gains—then dropped steadily through the next three decades. Amid the post-World War II boom in higher education, and overall economic growth, the American middle class swelled and prospered, and the top 1 percent of earners took home less than 10 percent of all income through the 1960s and 1970s. Since then, the topmost 1 percent have seen their share rise again: it shot past 15 percent in 1996 and crested at 20.3 percent in 2006, the most recent year for which numbers are available.

Unequal America | Harvard Magazine Jul-Aug 2008

That was just the first few on a search. But the this is not new. Effort at trying to excuse it do little to fix it, if it can be fixed.
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You're still looking at census data which follows group, the composition of which changes over time. The problem is that you think that income defines rich and poor when really it's wealth. You're not answering the question I posed before. If someone who made $5 million last year but $20 thousand this year, is he poor? Well this data would say yes, but that would be a stupid measure wouldn't it?
 
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