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Census finds record gap between rich and poor

There is no other explanation for this other than that poor people are lazier than ever.
 
The problem is that if those tax cuts are not accompanied by other changes in the government budget and

well there is the answer in his own article

we need to cut the idiotic spending -much of which is unconstitutional to start with
 
Patria Antiqua said:
There is no other explanation for this other than that poor people are lazier than ever.
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that's silly

but it does appear that all this excuse making and entitlement advocacy for young people who drop out of school and shoot each other isn't working

time to rethink

seeya at the polls
 
Patria Antiqua said:
There is no other explanation for this other than that poor people are lazier than ever.
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true to some extent but also the economic reality has changed. people used to be able to make a decent living without much in the way of an education, intelligence or skills working at union factory jobs like the Detroit auto makers. Globalization means undeducated hard working people in India or Mexico or Ghana are willing to do the same quality of work for a whole lot less money. Education and technical skills are what is needed in order to make a comfortable living. Too many of our poor engage in life choices that prevent them from getting that education or skills or come from cultures that bad mouth education
 
apdst said:
If overtime was cut, then wages were cut.
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When orders are reduced, you have no choice, do you? Should he pay to have them stand around? He hasn't fired anybody, and for that, they are grateful.
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess you turn a blind eye to all the parasite types on these boards who whine about the rich. and I note that the obama administration loves talking about the uber wealthy while targeting people who make 200K-1 million a year (people who are well off but hardly robber-barons) with tax hikes

the tax hikes actually help solidify the status of the uber wealthy
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I have siblings and other relatives who are parasites, so no, I don't turn a blind eye. But there is nothing I can do that will convince the govt that those relatives are ripping off the taxpayers. Maybe you have a plan?
 
apdst said:
Redistribution of wealth, is also when the government punishes success, so they can provide welfare checks for people who are too damned lazy to get out and get a job.
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Does a $700 billion bailout for failing look like punishment to you? Does earning 400x the average worker look like punishment to you? Oh boo hoo those who make obscene amounts of money should pay the same percentage of their income as does the average worker.

You keep talking about people who are lazy and yet you are on this forum all day, everyday, which suggests you are not working. I see on your profile that you claim to be an oil worker. So tell me how do you work as oil worker if you on always playing on this forum?
 
Moot said:
Does a $700 billion bailout for failing look like punishment to you? Does earning 400x the average worker look like punishment to you? Oh boo hoo those who make obscene amounts of money should pay the same percentage of their income as does the average worker.

You keep talking about people who are lazy and yet you are on this forum all day, everyday, which suggests you are not working. I see on your profile that you claim to be an oil worker. So tell me how do you work as oil worker if you on always playing on this forum?
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why do people like you demand tax hikes on people making over 200K and use idiotic terms like obscene amoungs of money. The vast vast majority of people who are targeted for tax hikes by the dems aren't billionaires.

the richest people pay higher percentages on their earned income as you do

the richest people pay at LEAST the same rate on unearned income as you do

the richest people pay estate taxes-you do not

the richest people pay more property taxes than you do and more state income taxes

so what are you whining about?
 
TurtleDude said:
if you agree to work for 10 bucks an hour that is your right. no one is forcing you to work for the wages you get

if you are not worth 10 bucks an hour how is it stealing to pay you 9?
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Well, no one was forcing the plantation owners to have slaves, either. And yet the slaves labor must have been worth something if it helped to pay for all those fancy plantation homes and allow their owners to live like mini kings. I know, you long for the good ol days of slave and mastah.
 
Moot said:
Well, no one was forcing the plantation owners to have slaves, either. And yet the slaves labor must have been worth something if it helped to pay for all those fancy plantation homes and allow their owners to live like mini kings. I know, you long for the good ol days of slave and mastah.
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OMG is that moronic. that is so stupid that renders this conversation worthless.

if you cannot tell the difference between the right to contract and slavery you are beyond help
 
TurtleDude said:
OMG is that moronic. that is so stupid that renders this conversation worthless.

if you cannot tell the difference between the right to contract and slavery you are beyond help
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Most of the whining about taxes is being done by the richest among us....they insist that jobs won't return to boost our economy if we make the rich pay a few percent more, but still much less than historic levels.
As a wage earner, I never had a contract with most of my employers. There was 2 years as a contract employee while working at a nuclear power plant under construction, but MOST workers don't have contracts with their employers. Their union might, but union workers are a minority any more...
 
UtahBill said:
Most of the whining about taxes is being done by the richest among us....they insist that jobs won't return to boost our economy if we make the rich pay a few percent more, but still much less than historic levels.
As a wage earner, I never had a contract with most of my employers. There was 2 years as a contract employee while working at a nuclear power plant under construction, but MOST workers don't have contracts with their employers. Their union might, but union workers are a minority any more...
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what's your point? I was responding to a claim that slavery is the same as a contract. and when I mean a contract if someone offers you 10 bucks an hour and you accept that is a CONTRACT even if you sign nothing

and raising taxes on the rich won't bring back jobs and of course the rich are going to whine-they are the ones targeted for massive tax increases
 
TurtleDude said:
what's your point? I was responding to a claim that slavery is the same as a contract. and when I mean a contract if someone offers you 10 bucks an hour and you accept that is a CONTRACT even if you sign nothing

and raising taxes on the rich won't bring back jobs and of course the rich are going to whine-they are the ones targeted for massive tax increases
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Massive tax increases? from 35% to 39%....?
and they are suffering soooo much....excuse me while I work up some crocodile tears....
 
TurtleDude said:
why do people like you demand tax hikes on people making over 200K and use idiotic terms like obscene amoungs of money. The vast vast majority of people who are targeted for tax hikes by the dems aren't billionaires.
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Somebodies got to pay for that stupid war that Bush got us into. Why do people like you think the elite can take us into a war and not help pay for it? Why should I pay for that stupid war when I was adamently against it? I'm not that rich that I can afford to pay for the elites dirty little war. But you were probably all for it, so why don't you pay for it and let the elite raise your taxes instead of theirs?


the richest people pay higher percentages on their earned income as you do
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No they don't. I pay 30% of my income in taxes. The wealthy only pay 15% on theirs.

the richest people pay at LEAST the same rate on unearned income as you do
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Unearned income? So you're admitting the wealthy don't "earn" their income? On that I would agree since I earn my income, the wealthy make money off of me.

the richest people pay estate taxes-you do not
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Well, since the rich people didn't make the land, then they should pay for it. Why should they have land for free?

so what are you whining about?
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You're not rich, so why are you whining? You're like the little man who lives in a trailer eating his pork and beans complaining the super rich aren't rich enough.
 
ah more envy-I see alot of this

you do realize that if someone is an investor the tax on investments goes from 15% to 39.6% which is more than a 100 percent increase in the amount of taxes they will pay

are you willing to pay 39.6% of your income to federal income taxes (not counting all the other taxes)

if not you a hypocrite
 
Moot said:
Somebodies got to pay for that stupid war that Bush got us into. Why do people like you think the elite can take us into a war and not help pay for it? Why should I pay for that stupid war when I was adamently against it? I'm not that rich that I can afford to pay for the elites dirty little war. But you were probably all for it, so why don't you pay for it and let the elite raise your taxes instead of theirs?


No they don't. I pay 30% of my income in taxes. The wealthy only pay 15% on theirs.

Unearned income? So you're admitting the wealthy don't "earn" their income? On that I would agree since I earn my income, the wealthy make money off of me.

Well, since the rich people didn't make the land, then they should pay for it. Why should they have land for free?

You're not rich, so why are you whining? You're like the little man who lives in a trailer eating his pork and beans complaining the super rich aren't rich enough.
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your idiotic claim that the rich got us into the war is just that-idiotic. last i checked it was supported by a majority of congress including congress people who claim ot represent the poor and lower middle classes.

Land for free-WHAT MORONIC BS--estate taxes don't deal just with land-this has to be the stupidest thing I have seen on this board

you t hink an ESTATE TAX IS A TAX ON LAND OWNERSHIP

HOw do you know what I am worth-I paid over 300K in federal taxes last year
 
RightinNYC said:
Not one word of this does anything to explain how the policies that you describe as benefiting the rich serve to force the poor to take jobs paying low wages. Again, if you can, use specifics to explain how maintaining current tax rates on incomes over $250k forces Joe Smith to work at McDonalds.
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No, I explained exactly what you wanted, but you refused to hear it.

But if you need me to be more specfiic I will.

Joe Smith needs a job. Joe is qualified to work in manufacturing but Joe's job was shipped overseas to China and the cost to ship the manufacturing equipment there and invest in a new plant was paid for by a tax cut. The company that outsourced his job will save a ton of money on labor because it can higher 10 Chinamen for what they were paying Joe. His job probably would not have been lost had the policy been for the business to write off its capital investments in America instead of being given a tax cut which they could use to invest overseas.

Joe is one of many unemployed people due to outsourcing paid for by tax cuts. However, Joe is also a responsible tax payer. When a Wall Street corproation that was deemed to be "too big to fail" was going to declare bankrupcy, the government decided to bail them out. When Joe gets a job, his tax dollars are going to pay for the mulitmillion dollar golden parachutes of the CEOs as well as to pay the salaries of many of the irresponsible wealthy people who put the corporation in that place to begin with. Joe and millions of people like him are doing their part to keep the rich on top for the sake of jobs that will likely be outsourced overseas.

Becasue so many people are unemployed, Joe is competeing for jobs that pay much lower than his last job. And since so many people are desparate for work they are willing to work for low wages. Since the manufacturing industry is sinking, Joe has to go work in the Service industry which has considerably lower paying jobs. He ends up at McDonalds. Joe plans to save up some money so he can look for a job, but Joe gets sick. Suddenly his McDonald's wages are not enough to cover his medical expenses. He become indebted to the hospital and can't save any money as he pays off his bills. Joe must continue to work at McDonalds to just get by. He has become a member of the working poor.

When Joe does get an opportunity to get a better job, nobody will hire him because he worked at McDonalds for so long. Joe is out of luck. He isn't even making enough money to save for retirment. However, if he wants to change jobs he certainly can. Many of the companies are using their tax cuts to create more low wage jobs since there are people who will work them. He could move laterally from working at McDonalds to working at KFC.

Joe will also be helping pay for the tax cut that lost him his job and that has kept him in low wage jobs. The government had to borrow 700 billion to pay for it so a small amount of that will come out of Joe's paycheck. Joe is all the more poor and the wealthy are all the more rich.
 
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another bit of idiocy

Moot claimed that she paid 30% on her income and the rich only pay 15%

that is moronic because

1) lots of rich people are rich due to salary-most of those making over 200K a year have substantial salary income in their total income.

2) those who earn dividend income not only pay 15% on that when it comes to them, that dividend income was already taxed as corporate profits already meaning they have paid far more than 15% on it

try again
 
Moot said:
Somebodies got to pay for that stupid war that Bush got us into. Why do people like you think the elite can take us into a war and not help pay for it? Why should I pay for that stupid war when I was adamently against it? I'm not that rich that I can afford to pay for the elites dirty little war. But you were probably all for it, so why don't you pay for it and let the elite raise your taxes instead of theirs?


No they don't. I pay 30% of my income in taxes. The wealthy only pay 15% on theirs.

Unearned income? So you're admitting the wealthy don't "earn" their income? On that I would agree since I earn my income, the wealthy make money off of me.

Well, since the rich people didn't make the land, then they should pay for it. Why should they have land for free?

You're not rich, so why are you whining? You're like the little man who lives in a trailer eating his pork and beans complaining the super rich aren't rich enough.
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Pork and beans, I love it. but it gives me really bad gas.....
between that and the propane leaks, it is no wonder so many of those trailers burn to the ground...
One of my siblings lives in one....
As poor as he is, he still pays a higher percentage on his income than the rich who don't produce anything, just live on investment income.
 
TurtleDude said:
another bit of idiocy

Moot claimed that she paid 30% on her income and the rich only pay 15%

that is moronic because

1) lots of rich people are rich due to salary-most of those making over 200K a year have substantial salary income in their total income.

2) those who earn dividend income not only pay 15% on that when it comes to them, that dividend income was already taxed as corporate profits already meaning they have paid far more than 15% on it

try again
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http://www.ctj.org/pdf/irstop400.pdf
 
UtahBill said:
Pork and beans, I love it. but it gives me really bad gas.....
between that and the propane leaks, it is no wonder so many of those trailers burn to the ground...
One of my siblings lives in one....
As poor as he is, he still pays a higher percentage on his income than the rich who don't produce anything, just live on investment income.
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dividend income was taxed twice so again you are not truthful
 
TurtleDude said:
dividend income was taxed twice so again you are not truthful
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Everyone from the $66,100 on up pays approximately 30% on income taxes. The very wealthiest individuals in our country pay less than 20%.
 
UtahBill said:
Pork and beans, I love it. but it gives me really bad gas.....
between that and the propane leaks, it is no wonder so many of those trailers burn to the ground...
One of my siblings lives in one....
As poor as he is, he still pays a higher percentage on his income than the rich who don't produce anything, just live on investment income.
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That brings to mind the comment made by Warren Buffet when he said that his secretary, who earned $60,000, was taxed at 30 per cent while he was taxed at 17.7 per cent on $46 million he earned in salary in 2007.I guess he could have paid himself a pretty good bonus if he wanted to though.
 
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