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Transgender senior can't be king

Does it change the definition provided? Yes or No?

Does any other definition of the word contradict the one provided? Yes or No?
Go back and look at the several definitions already provided on this thread.
 
"If it squats to pee, it ain't a he." Just thought I'd throw in another inane reference to gender being based on the physical.
 
The policies must be consistent, this can even hold up in court. And was this student informed that he had to be registered as a boy in order to participate in such a contest? I doubt it. Especially since it is obvious he was allowed to be considered a boy without being registered as one in other things. Some school rules are based on outdated traditions and should be challenged. If there was a school rule that girls had to wear dresses or skirts to school, I would expect this rule to be challenged whole heartedly. There is no harm at all in allowing a boy who was born a girl to be homecoming king. The contest is for the students in the first place, and obviously they wanted it.

Having the homecoming king be a boy is not an outdated tradition. Having to write special rules to encompass every crackpot idea kids come up with is silly. Truth is, the school will probably buckle. If it was MY school district, I'd want it to. Why waste money on such a ridiculous litigation?
 
Having the homecoming king be a boy is not an outdated tradition. Having to write special rules to encompass every crackpot idea kids come up with is silly. Truth is, the school will probably buckle. If it was MY school district, I'd want it to. Why waste money on such a ridiculous litigation?

Exactly my point, the school has given allowances to the child in every other area already. Why would it in any way be beneficial to suddenly reverse that decision for what is essentially an unjustifiable reason for denying something with no long term impact whatsoever?
 
I always thought that homecoming king was the gayest dude in the school anyway. maybe the kids got it right this time.
 
Oh, for Christ's sake. Now it's the pursuit of happiness. It's not about that! It's about teaching kids that rules matter. Anyone wonder why a kid gets out of high school and can't hold down a job because he can't accept authority? Electing a girl for homecoming king does absolutely nothing to make the world a better place. I think your premise is beyond ridiculous.

Or teaching kids that adults lose their minds over silly ****. I bet if we could talk to the kids, that would be their response. ;)

And this has no bearing on kids and their employment future. Thinking it does is beyond rediculous IMHO.
 
turn the situation around. If it was a guy, born a guy, who said he thought he was a girl. How many of you would want "her" in the locker room, restroom, etc with your daughter?
 
turn the situation around. If it was a guy, born a guy, who said he thought he was a girl. How many of you would want "her" in the locker room, restroom, etc with your daughter?

Why would it matter? Stalls have doors. And girls have seen these things before and will again. Same with boys. As long as no advances are made, or improper behavior, why would anyone object? Though this is an apple and orange example. Kings and queens don't have to go to the rest room together and there is no locker.
 
Answer my questions.

I gave you two. You ducked both of them.
I did. You can't deal with the answers, so you ran away. Not my problem. :mrgreen:
 
Moderator's Warning:
This is the last warning to discuss the topic and not each other. I would not push this if I were you.
 
Incorrect. Your apostrophe does not change the noun in any way shape or form. Gender is defined as sex. There is no middle ground.

No, that's not true at all. It said ONE sex, not one's sex. So the possessive changes everything. It means that one can have one sex, and another gender. The very definition YOU posted makes that patently clear.
 
Why the hell is this an issue? These are kids who decided for themselves that they wanted a transgender individual to represent them as their homecoming king. What grounds does the school have to enforce gender roles on its students? Why must the school be "consistent with gender'?

This not about "gender roles" because the mental disorder itself is a result of people pushing gender roles on others.

Also, do you really think the qualifications to be a heart surgeon are the same to be a homecoming king for a high school? Or do you really think this transgender's lack of a Y chromosome inhibits their ability to be a homecoming king in the same that your lack of education in medicine inhibits your ability to perform surgery? Hyperbole anyone?

The point is you don't encourage people with mental disorders to see their delusions as reality. It will harm them even if you may not realize how it harms them.

Men have a membrane that separates the halves of the brain that females do not have. I wrote a paper for a college psych class that relates the differences between the brains of the sexes. You don't want to read what I wrote for a source, so I direct you to:
Are There Differences between the Brains of Males and Females?

Studies like this prove why sociobiology is junk science that people should just throw out most of the time. It is all just a series of "correlation equals causation" argument that completely ignore social factors because ultimately they are not being paid to find social factors. "Proving" that gender identity is biological is just like "proving" depression is real medical condition. It is all about the pharmaceutical companies who pay them to get results that can ultimately be used to push new drugs and treatments in order to "cure" whatever "illness" they made up. Pushing drugs is a far more lucrative business than therapy or, heaven forbid, people actually taking control of their own lives.

Learn a bit about the neonatal mind. Hell learn about the prenatal mind because social conditioning ultimately begins in the womb. It can be pretty laughable reading some of these "scientific studies" that sociobiologists put out. Apparently there is some part of your brain that pre-programs you to like pretty dresses and the color pink. It is junk science through and through.

Even as a fetus people are highly perceptive and learn many different things. Obviously the relative lack of internal stimuli mitigates exactly how much they can be condition but noises are fully capable of reaching the unborn child and the unborn child learns and process such noises and reacts to them months before birth.

While we might find it hard to detect slight differences in expressions and behaviors the infant mind is able to process these differences with astounding accuracy. As a function of our culture we typically treat girls and boys differently from birth, even if we do not realize it, and so any claim of a biological cause for this cannot simply gauge differences a few months after birth and the further back in time you go the fewer differences you find on every level.
 
Or teaching kids that adults lose their minds over silly ****. I bet if we could talk to the kids, that would be their response. ;)

And this has no bearing on kids and their employment future. Thinking it does is beyond rediculous IMHO.

The BEST thing it could teach them is about the process of complaint. It is not silly **** to insist that a girl isn't eligible to be elected to a boy's position. While I agree that the school has already bent the rules, there are lines. There are rules in life that get bent allll the time for very good reasons. If you don't think it's important that your child learn the difference, then that's on you.
 
The BEST thing it could teach them is about the process of complaint. It is not silly **** to insist that a girl isn't eligible to be elected to a boy's position. While I agree that the school has already bent the rules, there are lines. There are rules in life that get bent allll the time for very good reasons. If you don't think it's important that your child learn the difference, then that's on you.

I think it is silly ****. And what process was used here to teach with. Maybe I missed it.
 
I think it is silly ****. And what process was used here to teach with. Maybe I missed it.
I think the process was "adults freaking out about silly **** and ruining everything for the kids in order to make some ridiculous point."
 
You know this thread made me think about to my senior year and who was our homecoming king and queen. I honestly don't remember and that was only 3ish years ago.

edit: I do remember we got a guy on the homecoming queen final list, but sadly he didn't win.
 
I think the process was "adults freaking out about silly **** and ruining everything for the kids in order to make some ridiculous point."

Why is everyone overlooking the possibility that the kids voted for "her" as homecoming king as part of a cruel joke. Having taught in public school for 11 years, I have seen first hand how mean spirited and closed minded some kids can be. I think it is somewhat naive to assume that these kids voted for this transgendered student out of some lofty sentiment.

and just how did not allowing this kid to be homecoming king ruin everything? did they cancel homecoming over it? as has been said, it's not that big a deal and I doubt that many of the kids at that school actually gave a rat's ass who the homecoming king and queen were.
 
245 posts...about a prom.

1) Nothing wrong with a school saying that gender is an issue

2) Nothing bright in a school making a big deal out of it. If they had ignored it and let it happen, much less of a big deal to people.

3) Why do people with gender identification issues create such strong emotion from other people? I mean, really...on the list of important things, what gender some one identifies as simply does not make the list.
 
I think it is silly ****. And what process was used here to teach with. Maybe I missed it.

When a poster's argument to me is, "I think it is silly ****," I don't have much else to say. Why would I try to convince you otherwise? Rock on.
 
and just how did not allowing this kid to be homecoming king ruin everything? did they cancel homecoming over it? as has been said, it's not that big a deal and I doubt that many of the kids at that school actually gave a rat's ass who the homecoming king and queen were.

If it's truly no big deal, then why is the school making a big deal out of it? I think they picked a rather ridiculous issue on which to stand their principles.
 
No, that's not true at all. It said ONE sex, not one's sex. So the possessive changes everything. It means that one can have one sex, and another gender. The very definition YOU posted makes that patently clear.

Again the word sex has not changed at all in any way shape or form. You are trying to parse the wording to mean something it does not. Nor have you provided a single defintion that supports your claim

Until you can explain how it is different it is not an argument.

Gender is tied to sex directly in each of the definitions provided by myself and others.

More definitions:

a. The condition of being female or male; sex.

20; often the classification correlates in part with sex or animateness.
 
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