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Transgender senior can't be king

jamesrage said:
If the school does not meddle then the kids grow up to be morons who think its okay for Jean to be Jenny, Johnny to be a duck or Vicky to be Vincent and then force the rest of society to play along with this fantasy by letting state legally recognize someone as something they are not.
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It is OK. The pursuit of happiness means Jenny can become John as long as Jenny doesn't interfer with Bob or Mary to do so. And if Jenny has to live with this condition, and the best we can do is help Jenny become more comfortable, who are we to deny Jenny this? Seriously, it is enough for us to take care of ourselfs and try to make the world a little better without worrying about Jenny becoming John.
 
MaggieD said:
I accept them, too. I shop at a store called Transformations in Arlington Heights, IL that's owned by a transgendered young man. Love 'im. That has absolutely nothing to do with electing a girl to a boy's title. What is so hard to understand about that?

Should we allow a man who believes he suffers this transgender disorder to play professional women's tennis? Professional women's golf? He's still a man. Playing against women. Just doesn't track. Would never happen. Take the hormones. Have the surgery. Then we've got a deal. THEN they're transgendered. Not before.
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I personally accept people who are like this but I do have some reservations about it.

There is nothing conclusive about this not being a mental disorder that may be treatable with medication. (something to correct the mental gender imbalance towards the physical gender.)

Instead we insist catastrophic change to the body.
To me, that seems a bit extreme and I think we should approach this with great caution.
 
jamesrage said:
Kind of foolish to sit there and say were not talking about sex were talking about gender when gender is defined as sex.
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Again, that's only one definition. Gender isn't limited to just one's sex.
 
roguenuke said:
BTW, all those comparing people who think they are animals to transgendered, these arguments are no more genuine than those arguments that try to place same sex marriage along the lines of marrying an animal. A person doesn't just get a brain injury or lose their mind, and decide that they want to be the different sex. And from what I know of my family, I'm pretty sure transgendered people are born that way and it is at least somewhat genetic. Transgendered people don't have an unrealistic belief that they are a different species or can do impossible feats that can get them hurt, they just feel like they are the other gender of our own species from what they were born. Some are heterosexual and some are homosexual, there are probably even some bisexuals out there.
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a person who thinks they are an animal has a mental dysfunction. a man that thinks he is a woman has a mental dysfunction.

still waiting for someone to show convincing evidence that transgender disorder has a physical basis.
 
OscarB63 said:
you mean like the acceptance that a fetus gets of the human that it will become?
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That's another isuue, and you should know I'm Catholic. Me and mine don't have abortions.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Instead we insist catastrophic change to the body.
To me, that seems a bit extreme and I think we should approach this with great caution.
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"We" insist nothing the change is up to the indvidual.
 
Taylor said:
That makes about as much sense as "schizophrenics were simply born in the wrong reality."

What we've got is a girl who thinks she's a guy. It's a mental disorder.
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Read the rest of my posts to the thread before you open your piehole. Thanks.
 
OscarB63 said:
a person who thinks they are an animal has a mental dysfunction. a man that thinks he is a woman has a mental dysfunction.

still waiting for someone to show convincing evidence that transgender disorder has a physical basis.
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They used to think PMS was all in our heads too. And Fibromyalgia. And migraines. Just because a physical basis hasn't been identified yet (IF it hasn't... I don't know and frankly don't care), doesn't mean that one doesn't exist.
 
winston53660 said:
"We" insist nothing the change is up to the indvidual.
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Yea I understand that but that is the course of action, most often taken.

Other people with personality disorders, aren't encouraged to live as those personalities but are instead medicated to rid themselves of it.
 
MaggieD said:
I accept them, too. I shop at a store called Transformations in Arlington Heights, IL that's owned by a transgendered young man. Love 'im. That has absolutely nothing to do with electing a girl to a boy's title. What is so hard to understand about that?

Should we allow a man who believes he suffers this transgender disorder to play professional women's tennis? Professional women's golf? He's still a man. Playing against women. Just doesn't track. Would never happen. Take the hormones. Have the surgery. Then we've got a deal. THEN they're transgendered. Not before.
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Personally, I don't care if we did or not, because I really don't care that much about sports. I don't think it would ever happen just because of the physical advantage, which is an understandable exception. But even with gender reassignment, I don't think the rules allow for this scenario.

However, in the case of a contest for homecoming king, there is no actual physical activity requirement. The only competition aspect is of popularity. The rest of the school obviously believed that he qualified, so this should be enough.
 
rivrrat said:
They used to think PMS was all in our heads too. And Fibromyalgia. And migraines. Just because a physical basis hasn't been identified yet (IF it hasn't... I don't know and frankly don't care), doesn't mean that one doesn't exist.
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so it's kinda like God then? just because no one has proven he exists doesn't mean he doesn't. I guess Pinocchio was right...she can be a real boy.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yea I understand that but that is the course of action, most often taken.

Other people with personality disorders, aren't encouraged to live as those personalities but are instead medicated to rid themselves of it.
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Don't those have a greater effect on others and can't be as easily satified by making a change similar to gender change?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
Yea I understand that but that is the course of action, most often taken.

Other people with personality disorders, aren't encouraged to live as those personalities but are instead medicated to rid themselves of it.
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Different conditions usually warrant different treatments
 
roguenuke said:
The rest of the school obviously believed that he qualified, so this should be enough.
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except the actual policy of the school and the official records said she didn't qualify. people should just accept that.
 
OscarB63 said:
except the actual policy of the school and the official records said she didn't qualify. people should just accept that.
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Why? What business is it of the school adults?
 
OscarB63 said:
a person who thinks they are an animal has a mental dysfunction. a man that thinks he is a woman has a mental dysfunction.

still waiting for someone to show convincing evidence that transgender disorder has a physical basis.
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No, the person who thinks they are an animal has no basis for that belief. There is no way for a human brain to comparably act like a duck or a dog. There isn't even a way for a human to know what a dog might think or what a duck might prefer, since we can't truly communicate with either one of these. However, we can communicate and interact socially with members of both sexes of our own species. It is very easy to know what a woman or man might prefer compared to the other or how a woman or man might think if you are of the opposite gender. We share the vast majority of our DNA in both sexes. We think at least similarly. Our bodies have pretty much the same biological responses to stimuli within our species. We don't share all those same biological responses with dogs or ducks, and they have some of their own biological responses.
 
OscarB63 said:
except the actual policy of the school and the official records said she didn't qualify. people should just accept that.
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Okay say s/he joins the military and the official record says s/he is female......

Or say s/he gets married to man in a state where gay marriage is illegal....

Ya see where this going?
 
Coronado said:
Read the rest of my posts to the thread before you open your piehole. Thanks.
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I've read every post in the thread. If you'd like to contribute a substantive response, please do. If all you have are more "piehole" comments, perhaps you should take a break and settle down?
 
Boo Radley said:
Don't those have a greater effect on others and can't be as easily satified by making a change similar to gender change?
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winston53660 said:
Different conditions usually warrant different treatments
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Getting your physical gender, surgically changed, is very invasive.
So I think that should be the last option.

Since there is a lot of inconclusiveness in this area, I don't wholly accept the course of action.
 
Taylor said:
I've read every post in the thread. If you'd like to contribute a substantive response, please do.
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I have already done so. Feel free to chime in with something intelligent and/or relevant.

Like I said, read post → comment.
Taylor said:
If all you have are more "piehole" comments, perhaps you should take a break and settle down?
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If you don't like what I say, ignore my posts. Pretty ****ing simple, sweetheart.
 
OscarB63 said:
so where is the evidence of brain differences between men and women who think they are men? this only mentions male to female transsexuals.
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We certainly need more investigation, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to think there may be a similar difference the other way around. Not a certainty, but a good hypothist to start with.
 
OscarB63 said:
except the actual policy of the school and the official records said she didn't qualify. people should just accept that.
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They obviously changed their policy on the band uniform and graduation gown, so the policy can't change for this as well? Sounds like someone, most likely a parent, complained and the principle gave in to the parent. We'll all just have to see. Precedent in this however, suggests that the student would win if it went to court. Especially given the evidence that he was accepted as a male in every other school activity in which he participated.
 
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