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More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

TurtleDude said:
so if they aren't going to help and since the dem spending is going to massively increase the deficit whether or not the rich are treated the same as other tax payers, what is your reason-other than envy-for being against tax cuts for everyone?
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It won't create jobs, but it will help pay down the debt and cover spending. Responsible people pay for they spend.
 
Boo Radley said:
Tax breaks they tend to save. Again, this has been covered before.
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yeah that's horrible

maybe that is why they are rich-they don't engage in short term gratification

one of the things that has really F'd up this country is congress using the tax code to gain power and manipulate behavior

that's why a flat tax or a consumption tax is so much better than the power grabbing income tax
 
Boo Radley said:
It won't create jobs, but it will help pay down the debt and cover spending. Responsible people pay for they spend.
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wrong-the dems have proven they will just use tax hikes as a justification to spend even more because its spending other peoples' money that buys them votes.
 
Boo Radley said:
Tax breaks they tend to save. Again, this has been covered before.
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How does saving hurt the economy? As for covering it before, apparently many of here haven't seen that so I look forward to your response.
 
Boo Radley said:
It won't create jobs, but it will help pay down the debt and cover spending. Responsible people pay for they spend.
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Please name for me just one economic prediction that Obama has made that has been accurate? You believe raising the taxes on the rich will create more revenue because Obama tells you so? What will really create more govt. revenue would be putting 16 million unemployed Americans back to work.
 
Conservative said:
Please name for me just one economic prediction that Obama has made that has been accurate? You believe raising the taxes on the rich will create more revenue because Obama tells you so? What will really create more govt. revenue would be putting 16 million unemployed Americans back to work.
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As the president doesn't control the economy, why would I listen to a prediction from any president? They've all been wrong often. And unless you want the government to hire everyone, the government doesn't control people going back to work.
 
Conservative said:
How does saving hurt the economy? As for covering it before, apparently many of here haven't seen that so I look forward to your response.
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Didn't say it did. I said they don't create jobs with it. Please keep listen to the actual claims being made. ;)
 
Gill said:
I'll ask you again since you ignored it the last time.......what do "rich" people do with their money, put it in their pillows for safe keeping or do they invest it ?
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TurtleDude said:
I think he's merely upset that they have more wealth
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They should share it with the rest of us..... :wink2:
 
Boo Radley said:
As the president doesn't control the economy, why would I listen to a prediction from any president? They've all been wrong often. And unless you want the government to hire everyone, the government doesn't control people going back to work.
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When I say President that includes his Administration and if you don't think his Administration controls the economic agenda you really need to go back to school. The govt. sets the policy which determines behavior and economic activity. For someone who "doesn't listen" you sure spout the same talking points as this empty suit and his unqualified Administration.
 
Boo Radley said:
Didn't say it did. I said they don't create jobs with it. Please keep listen to the actual claims being made. ;)
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the problem is that liberals often don't give the real reasons for what motivates them. so they blather on and on about how tax hikes are supposed to help the economy when in reality the real motivation is envy and appealing to class warfare to buy votes or to salve the hurt ego of those who think they are more valuable than what the market thinks
 
Boo Radley said:
Didn't say it did. I said they don't create jobs with it. Please keep listen to the actual claims being made. ;)
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They don't? Where do businesses get capital to grow and expand? Where does that money come from and who performs the construction activities for that growth?
 
Conservative said:
They don't? Where do businesses get capital to grow and expand? Where does that money come from and who performs the construction activities for that growth?
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From people buying their product. They don't get it from tax cuts.
 
TurtleDude said:
the problem is that liberals often don't give the real reasons for what motivates them. so they blather on and on about how tax hikes are supposed to help the economy when in reality the real motivation is envy and appealing to class warfare to buy votes or to salve the hurt ego of those who think they are more valuable than what the market thinks
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So, you can read minds and only you know the REAL reasons? You and Glenn Beck that is. I'm sorry, but that is the weakest **** I've ever had the misfortune to read.
 
Conservative said:
When I say President that includes his Administration and if you don't think his Administration controls the economic agenda you really need to go back to school. The govt. sets the policy which determines behavior and economic activity. For someone who "doesn't listen" you sure spout the same talking points as this empty suit and his unqualified Administration.
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None of them control the economy. They just don't. Again, unless you want the government to fix everything by hiring everyone, you're barking up the wrong tree.
 
Boo Radley said:
From people buying their product. They don't get it from tax cuts.
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Really? So banks have nothing to do with lending money for expansion and growth? This really has to be an act on your part?
 
Conservative said:
Really? So banks have nothing to do with lending money for expansion and growth? This really has to be an act on your part?
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They don't depend on the money from tax cuts to make the loans. Laughable to think anyone would think they do.
 
Boo Radley said:
None of them control the economy. They just don't. Again, unless you want the government to fix everything by hiring everyone, you're barking up the wrong tree.
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You really are very naive if that is what you believe. Tax policy in your world doesn't affect human behavior? "Your" President seems to believe that the govt. can hire everyone and it appears you continue to support his agenda. I want the govt. to get out of the way and let private business do what it always has done, grow the economy. You don't seem to have a clue how jobs are created and how the economy grows.
 
Boo Radley said:
They don't depend on the money from tax cuts to make the loans. Laughable to think anyone would think they do.
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They depend on money from the banks to grow and that money comes from personal savings put into those banks by individuals including the rich. This really is an act on your part, isn't it?

Oh, buy the way, people have more spendable income when they get tax cuts, not tax increases.
 
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Boo Radley said:
So, you can read minds and only you know the REAL reasons? You and Glenn Beck that is. I'm sorry, but that is the weakest **** I've ever had the misfortune to read.
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its true-class envy is what motivates this. that and the hurt that libs have from thinking they are smart and being mad that their compensation does not rise up to what they think they deserve. HOw many times have I heard someone whining about Paris Hilton?

you see the problem is the arguments people like you advance in favor of taxing others higher is purely a facade serving as a pretext for envy. If you libs really wanted to get rid of the deficits you would be pushing for massive tax hikes on everyone along with massive cuts in government spending but you don't. you supported obama knowing his campaign was bought with promises of more spending and more handouts paid for by the impossible claim that the top 1% would fund all of it.

your inconsistencies are all the proof I need.
 
Conservative said:
They depend on money from the banks to grow and that money comes from personal savings put into those banks buy individuals including the rich. This really is an act on your part, isn't it?

Oh, buy the way, people have more spendable income when they get tax cuts, not tax increases.
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Again, no one says they don't save without tax cuts. They still save. Tax cuts make no real difference on anything. Banks are not sitting there waiting for someone to get a tax cut before the lend. Again, that's a laughable notion.
 
TurtleDude said:
its true-class envy is what motivates this. that and the hurt that libs have from thinking they are smart and being mad that their compensation does not rise up to what they think they deserve. HOw many times have I heard someone whining about Paris Hilton?

you see the problem is the arguments people like you advance in favor of taxing others higher is purely a facade serving as a pretext for envy. If you libs really wanted to get rid of the deficits you would be pushing for massive tax hikes on everyone along with massive cuts in government spending but you don't. you supported obama knowing his campaign was bought with promises of more spending and more handouts paid for by the impossible claim that the top 1% would fund all of it.

your inconsistencies are all the proof I need.
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And you KNOW this how?
 
Conservative said:
You really are very naive if that is what you believe. Tax policy in your world doesn't affect human behavior? "Your" President seems to believe that the govt. can hire everyone and it appears you continue to support his agenda. I want the govt. to get out of the way and let private business do what it always has done, grow the economy. You don't seem to have a clue how jobs are created and how the economy grows.
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So, you believe government is the answer? In that case, they better start hiring. :lamo
 
Boo Radley said:
Again, no one says they don't save without tax cuts. They still save. Tax cuts make no real difference on anything. Banks are not sitting there waiting for someone to get a tax cut before the lend. Again, that's a laughable notion.
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That is your opinion, so if tax cuts make no real difference "on anything" then why raise them on the people who already pay most of them? If people save, spend, pay down debt, or invest that benefits economic growth something most Obama supporters do not understand. Obama appeals to the lowest common denominator of American society that is being duped by an elite few whose goal is to drastically change America into the failed European socialist model. Ever watch an Obama "rally?" Cannot believe that some people want to be associated with those attendees. Guess some have zero pride in themselves.
 
Boo Radley said:
So, you believe government is the answer? In that case, they better start hiring. :lamo
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LOL, you got that out of my posts? Try reading the post again, that is what "your" President believes and apparently what you seem to believe.
 
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