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More Democrats break with Obama on tax cuts

Boo Radley said:
There is no evidence tax cuts effect the economy, and I have shown that.

But thanks for agreeing with me.

;)
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they sure Affect the economy of those of us who already pay too much taxes
 
The Prof said:
NO EVIDENCE TAX CUTS EFFECT THE ECONOMY!

LOL!

excuse me for commenting on kiddie class

but---NO EFFECT, TAX CUTS, ECONOMY...

LOLOL!

i mean, either way, whether they help, whether they hurt...

nope---NO EFFECT

WAY too much talk, WAY too little thought

such a nice person, too

but miles and miles of mindless mouthings---it's hard to take

carry on
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you wonder what motivates the 4-5 posters on this board who spend so much time defending the government taking more and more wealth from fellow citizens.

"the greater good" from reduced deficits BS doesn't cut it because these same people are massive supporters of more government spending and expansion
 
TurtleDude said:
they sure Affect the economy of those of us who already pay too much taxes
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Maybe Boo is in that group that doesn't pay any Federal Income taxes and that explains his statement. He isn't affected by tax increases because he doesn't pay any Federal Income Taxes?
 
TurtleDude said:
they sure Affect the economy of those of us who already pay too much taxes
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Not much according to actual data. We were functioning quite well back at the old tax rate, and doing quite poorly at the moment with the currant tax cuts. Again, you would be hard pressed to factually support your claim. I can't help that the facts are what they are.
 
Conservative said:
Maybe Boo is in that group that doesn't pay any Federal Income taxes and that explains his statement. He isn't affected by tax increases because he doesn't pay any Federal Income Taxes?
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no idea but I see alot of that. one tax hike proponent bragged to me that he pays "TWICE" the average federal income tax bill.

I almost peed myself. Given 47% of the population pay NO federal income tax that average tax bill isn't all that high.
 
Conservative said:
Maybe Boo is in that group that doesn't pay any Federal Income taxes and that explains his statement. He isn't affected by tax increases because he doesn't pay any Federal Income Taxes?
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No, I pay taxes. I'm in the 90-100,000 tax category. And I have seen no noticable effect to my budget over the years related to taxes.
 
Boo Radley said:
Not much according to actual data. We were functioning quite well back at the old tax rate, and doing quite poorly at the moment with the currant tax cuts. Again, you would be hard pressed to factually support your claim. I can't help that the facts are what they are.
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you pretend that because you don't pay massive tax bills we who do should just accept getting raped. sorry, I don't buy into that socialist nonsense

the fact is -I pay far too much and I get absolutely nothing in return above and beyond what someone like you gets from the government

if you aren't willing or able to pay several hundred K in taxes you really are in no position to tell anyone else they ought to
 
Boo Radley said:
Not much according to actual data. We were functioning quite well back at the old tax rate, and doing quite poorly at the moment with the currant tax cuts. Again, you would be hard pressed to factually support your claim. I can't help that the facts are what they are.
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Right, LOL. There comes a point when the rich get fed up paying for all the services received by people who don't pay any Federal Income taxes. Human behavior is something that you don't seem to understand.

Millionaires Go Missing - WSJ.com
 
Boo Radley said:
No, I pay taxes. I'm in the 90-100,000 tax category. And I have seen no noticable effect to my budget over the years related to taxes.
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you are claiming you pay 90-100K in income tax or your AGI is 90-100K if its the latter you are a net tax consumer meaning you pay less in income tax than you use in direct government services. 117K I believe is the break point where you start paying more than you use.
 
TurtleDude said:
you are claiming you pay 90-100K in income tax or your AGI is 90-100K if its the latter you are a net tax consumer meaning you pay less in income tax than you use in direct government services. 117K I believe is the break point where you start paying more than you use.
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If I am not mistaken Boo lives in Florida that has no state income taxes and thus doesn't understand that any rise in Federal Income taxes is on top of state income taxes in most states and definitely changes human behavior. Apparently his lives in a bubble and doesn't understand how the rest of the states operate.
 
TurtleDude said:
you are claiming you pay 90-100K in income tax or your AGI is 90-100K if its the latter you are a net tax consumer meaning you pay less in income tax than you use in direct government services. 117K I believe is the break point where you start paying more than you use.
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No. I'm claiming that's my yearly income. And what services to you suppose I use?
 
Boo Radley said:
No. I'm claiming that's my yearly income. And what services to you suppose I use?
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well I pay three times more in federal income taxes alone than what you make. I sure don't use ten times as many federal services as you do. My family, even with sophisticated estate planning has paid millions in estate taxes--what did we get for that?
 
TurtleDude said:
well I pay three times more in federal income taxes alone than what you make. I sure don't use ten times as many federal services as you do. My family, even with sophisticated estate planning has paid millions in estate taxes--what did we get for that?
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so what? are you actually trying to convince someone that you will change your spending habits with a tax increase? what a joke. i'm in the same range as boo......and i really wouldn't alter my spending habit with a small increase in taxes. and it DOES NOT matter if i'm in FL, an increase is an increase.
 
TurtleDude said:
well I pay three times more in federal income taxes alone than what you make. I sure don't use ten times as many federal services as you do. My family, even with sophisticated estate planning has paid millions in estate taxes--what did we get for that?
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Don't know if you do or not, and make no such claim, but progressives taxes are routnie, and if you really do make as much as you say you do, you are probably not hurting much and the taxes have not effected you in any serious way. There is no evidence to support the wealthy are hurting. Even the WSJ article showing some leaving a state shows that they have the ability to leave the state. There's nothing new here, and in the past, such taxes have been much, much higher. What were they under that great socialist Eisenhower? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the highest rate some 90% then compare to something in the 30's today?

All the whinning just seems silly to me.
 
Conservative said:
If I am not mistaken Boo lives in Florida that has no state income taxes and thus doesn't understand that any rise in Federal Income taxes is on top of state income taxes in most states and definitely changes human behavior. Apparently his lives in a bubble and doesn't understand how the rest of the states operate.
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You are mistaken. I live in Iowa. You seem to get a lot wrong concerning me. :neener
 
liblady said:
so what? are you actually trying to convince someone that you will change your spending habits with a tax increase? what a joke. i'm in the same range as boo......and i really wouldn't alter my spending habit with a small increase in taxes. and it DOES NOT matter if i'm in FL, an increase is an increase.
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LOL, wrong, an increase in Florida is not the same as an increase in NY or any other state with a state income tax. You are adding a tax to another tax. You don't pay state income taxes in Florida.
 
Boo Radley said:
You are mistaken. I live in Iowa. You seem to get a lot wrong concerning me. :neener
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Actually that may be the only thing I have wrong about you, you are economically challenged and refuse to address human behavior.
 
Conservative said:
Actually that may be the only thing I have wrong about you, you are economically challenged and refuse to address human behavior.
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No, you've gotten lot wrong, but that is besides the point.
 
liblady said:
so what? are you actually trying to convince someone that you will change your spending habits with a tax increase? what a joke. i'm in the same range as boo......and i really wouldn't alter my spending habit with a small increase in taxes. and it DOES NOT matter if i'm in FL, an increase is an increase.
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you aren't going to face a tax hike. If someone has substantial investment income they can see a 275K tax bill going up to well over 400K

You need to stop talking about your own small tax bill

are you willing to pay over half your income in state and federal income taxes? if not stop whining
 
Conservative said:
LOL, wrong, an increase in Florida is not the same as an increase in NY or any other state with a state income tax. You are adding a tax to another tax. You don't pay state income taxes in Florida.
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Yet, according you flordia is not leading in jobs. texas is. BTW, is taxes the only thing different about Texas than all other states, or is this another area where you're leaping to an invalid conclusion because you haven't looked at all variables?
 
Boo Radley said:
Don't know if you do or not, and make no such claim, but progressives taxes are routnie, and if you really do make as much as you say you do, you are probably not hurting much and the taxes have not effected you in any serious way. There is no evidence to support the wealthy are hurting. Even the WSJ article showing some leaving a state shows that they have the ability to leave the state. There's nothing new here, and in the past, such taxes have been much, much higher. What were they under that great socialist Eisenhower? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the highest rate some 90% then compare to something in the 30's today?

All the whinning just seems silly to me.
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what is silly is someone like you pretending to know what others need or can afford.

taxes have had higher rates but the effective tax on the top will be higher next year than any other time. and tell me why I should pay a higher percentage on the next dollar I make than you do
 
TurtleDude said:
what is silly is someone like you pretending to know what others need or can afford.

taxes have had higher rates but the effective tax on the top will be higher next year than any other time. and tell me why I should pay a higher percentage on the next dollar I make than you do
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What I have is history and statisical data. The wealthy are not dropping like flies. And no, it will not approach the 90's next year. If and only if Obama lets the tax cuts expire, it will only return to what it was before the Bush tax cuts. That was not in the 90's.
 
Boo Radley said:
What I have is history and statisical data. The wealthy are not dropping like flies. And no, it will not approach the 90's next year. If and only if Obama lets the tax cuts expire, it will only return to what it was before the Bush tax cuts. That was not in the 90's.
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you need to start paying at the same rate as I do. You can afford it. If you have a computer, you have enough money to start paying more of your share of the taxes. STop telling others they have to pay massive tax hikes unless you are willing to pay as much as they do.
 
Boo Radley said:
What I have is history and statisical data. The wealthy are not dropping like flies. And no, it will not approach the 90's next year. If and only if Obama lets the tax cuts expire, it will only return to what it was before the Bush tax cuts. That was not in the 90's.
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Oh you are lying--I posted an article demonstrating that the taxes next year would be higher than clintons

and yes the effective rate on the top will be higher next year. the top rate hits over 200K, that 90% tax rate you libs crave for was hitting far far less because of real dollars.
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh you are lying--I posted an article demonstrating that the taxes next year would be higher than clintons

and yes the effective rate on the top will be higher next year. the top rate hits over 200K, that 90% tax rate you libs crave for was hitting far far less because of real dollars.
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I must have missed that. Where was it.
 
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