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Dems thrilled as tea party win stuns Delaware GOP

There is no doubt that if Republicans and Conservatives played it safe and nominated the safe, more winnable candidate that they stand to gain more ground in Congress. But what does that give us? I tell you what it gives: The same ol' tired, corrupt incumbent or professional politician who will always be part of the problem and never the solution. It will hurt because the Democrats have no principle (See Charlie Rangel) other than winning and the playbook for them doesn't change much. No Party holds onto their corrupt politicians better than the Democrats. Democrat politicians will hold onto office until they slam the cell door shut. Their voters will rationalize until the end as to why their politican is a victim instead of a perpetrator.

And just look at the 30 Democrat incumbents who voted against the healthcare bill running this time who all won their primaries. They were threatened with all kinds of retaliation at the polls for that vote, yet they remain.
 
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And the savaging begins. Seems like a decent person. She has strong conservative views but she is not an idiot.

Am guessing the media and the left will be making this the showcase contest in the mid-terms and O'Donnell will be this year's pinata. (not unlike Palin was a couple of years ago)

But in all fairness, Rove got things started with his remarks last night. Not sure what that dumb **** was thinking.....:roll:



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Then by all means please clarify.


j-mac

It was pretty clear...I said not every interviewer is going to be an ego stroker like Hannity and Beck are.
 
It's hard to imagine this nomination as a microcosm of the national elections. Maybe if it was somewhere else:

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About 293,000 Democrats are registered in Delaware, compared with about 183,000 Republicans.
 
Mahr is a buffoon.

You're inadvertantly insulting buffoon's with that comment j-mac. However, what's missed here is typical politics... go to Washington and "play ball" no matter the letter after your name. Play ball means "grow the government". I think it's great that there's a movement that doesn't care about who get's the advantage, but rather it's about putting people in office who are fiscally responsible and at least are willing to run on a platform of upholding the constitution. If that hurts Republicans - it only does so because Republicans have "played ball" with Democrats too long.
 
Wow, after seeing that video, she makes Sarah Palin look like a genius.

See folks, teh process has begun. The only two females with -R at the end fo their name that AREN'T idiots, are Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe.

Does that not tell you something?

It's like watching Group Think in action on a National Scale, that's TRULY frightening.
 
And the savaging begins. Seems like a decent person. She has strong conservative views but she is not an idiot.

Am guessing the media and the left will be making this the showcase contest in the mid-terms and O'Donnell will be this year's pinata. (not unlike Palin was a couple of years ago)

But in all fairness, Rove got things started with his remarks last night. Not sure what that dumb **** was thinking.....:roll:



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"strong conservative views"..... I see, so you are saying that the conservative movement would turn over Jews to Nazi's.... I see. How about her views on masturbation, is that conservative views too?
 
"strong conservative views"..... I see, so you are saying that the conservative movement would turn over Jews to Nazi's.... I see. How about her views on masturbation, is that conservative views too?

From I gathered out of that round table she would leave it up to god.
 
From I gathered out of that round table she would leave it up to god.

So she would what.. stand there silent till god did something? You mean like god did not stop the holocaust? So is she saying that because God did not stop the holocaust, then it was God's will to exterminate the Jews, gays, mentally handicapped, communists/socialists and gypsies?

Is that a real strong conservative view?.
 
But you were saying that it was hypoctritical of people who complain about choosing the "lesser of two evils" to bemoan this result, when the opposite is true.

Know, I was saying it was rather sad that people sit there for years complaining about how it stinks that people have to choose the lesesr of two evils, and then when a group of people decide they DON'T want to do that they get condemned for it.

The conservatives in the primary had an option, nominate someone who would give them a lesser of two evils situation but give them a good shot to win or nominate someone who would actually allow them to vote based on principle but would haev less of a shot to win. They choose the later. If they had chose the former they'd have been going along with the same routine so many have bitched about for years now.

The results are making voters statewide choose between two candidates they don't view favorably, preventing them from having a choice of a person who they view favorably.

I wasn't talking about, nor caring about, "voters state wide". I was talking SPECIFICALLY about the voters that voted in the republican primary. THEY actually took the action necessary to allow themselves to for once NOT have to choose the lesser of two evils in their mind.

It is the state GOP's feelings on this that are irrelevant, since from the point of view of those bemoaning the choice of the "lesser of two evils", this applies to the electorate as a whole.

No, the republican primary choosing the republican candidate is the REPUBLICAN VOTERS choosing to have someone they like with a worse shot then choosing a "lesser evil" that has a good chance to vote. The electorate as a whole doesn't factor into this with what I'm talking about.

Once again, if the lesser of two evils is the one who disagrees with you less, this is going to be the choice you will have in every election where you are not personally on the ballot.

Once again, apparently Dav didn't bother to read what I stated. The lesser of two evils is NOT simply the one you disagree with less. The lesser of two evils is when you have two people you absolutely do not want to vote for, but you have to vote for someone, so you vote for the one that you have at least something you like about them or that you dislike a little less. That is not the same as saying "anyone who you disagree with less" because you completely leaving out the requirement that for it to be an "evil" it must be someone you absolutely would rather not vote for. Its entirely possible for people to disagree with someone on some issues without seeing them as an "evil" in an electoral sense.

Thanks to O'Donnell primary voters, statewide voters will now have to choose between two candidates they see as less non-evil than Castle, and they will probably end up choosing the one the O'Donnell primary voters see as being the greatest evil. It's essentially a lose-lose situation.

Well, sucks to be those statewide voters. I guess they should've gotten involved in one of the two primaries and pushed for the nomination of a candidate that was in line with their principles of moderation rather than just assuming that other people will willingly put THEMSELVES in a "lesser of two evils" situation so that those other people don't have to be in one.
 
Stop defending her gezzz, you are embarrassing yourself.

What she said is indefensible and you know it.. If it had been a left wing candidate you would have been all over it..

And you'd defend it while throwing in attacks against Israel? Are you done godwining the thread now with worthless additions?
 
Good God, come on, you guy's aren't this obtuse are you? I know you aren't saying it, I am asking it....So how about you answer it?


j-mac

Oh BTW, ABC is reporting:



So I guess it's on.


j-mac

i guess so. and imo, she won't be elected.
 
So she would what.. stand there silent till god did something? You mean like god did not stop the holocaust? So is she saying that because God did not stop the holocaust, then it was God's will to exterminate the Jews, gays, mentally handicapped, communists/socialists and gypsies?

Is that a real strong conservative view?.

At this point I do think she is an anti-Semite on par with the Nazi's. What I think her answers illustrate is that she poor leadership skills.
 
And you'd defend it while throwing in attacks against Israel? Are you done godwining the thread now with worthless additions?

Attacks against Israel? where? Are we not discussing the Delaware GOP winner? Did she not clearly say what she said? Why are you trying to change the subject all of a sudden?
 
You made an accusation to another member that they would be acting differently if a liberal had said what its been suggested this candidate said. I was making a similar accusation to you that if it was a liberal that had said it rather than running through here godwining the thread you'd instead be supporting them and throwing out your own attacks on Israel in the process. I'm not changing talking about the exact same hypothetical you stated here:

If it had been a left wing candidate you would have been all over it..

Doing the same thing you did there, stating what you think a poster would've been doing had it happened on the other side.

As to her statements, what she meant by them, and her stance on Jews, I'll make my own personal call on it for myself when I get home and can research it in a far more independent and full portion then the disingenuous words of someone who routinely, ruthlessly, and continually attacks and pushes propoganda about Israel around now suddenly acting like such things offends his sensabilities.
 
You made an accusation to another member that they would be acting differently if a liberal had said what its been suggested this candidate said. I was making a similar accusation to you that if it was a liberal that had said it rather than running through here godwining the thread you'd instead be supporting them and throwing out your own attacks on Israel in the process. I'm not changing talking about the exact same hypothetical you stated here:

LOL, you are the one bringing something out of left field into the discussion. But I do make the accusation, and that accusation is based on the usual partisan crap coming from the right and American is a poster boy for that.

Doing the same thing you did there, stating what you think a poster would've been doing had it happened on the other side.

Which again has nothing to do with Israel. Or am I not allowed to call people out for hypocrisy? He is defending her for her comments, comments that done by anyone else but a "favoured" son or daughter would have caused the wrath of the might right wing to come down on them hard. Had I said such a stupid thing, American and many others would be on me faster than 500 kg fatso on a box of donuts.

As to her statements, what she meant by them, and her stance on Jews, I'll make my own personal call on it for myself when I get home and can research it in a far more independent and full portion then the disingenuous words of someone who routinely, ruthlessly, and continually attacks and pushes propoganda about Israel around now suddenly acting like such things offends his sensabilities.

Again, you bring Israel up again. Why are you trying to change the subject?
 
a few things are clear:

gop turnout in delaware was double what was expected in this closed primary

the more the establishment rips on TEA the better it tastes to american voters

ms odonnell is HOT, she's getting flooded with donations, just since last nite---her website crashed today

this race is gonna be close, if she loses it won't be by much

and that in itself is terrifying to the party in power, that a tea party extremist has a real chance to take joe biden's bench in the blue hens

something is happening in america, something big

we are witnessing the awakening of an exciting NEW gop

it is likely to pilfer pelosi's place, and it's going to come very close upstairs, at the least

worry
 
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a few things are clear:

gop turnout in delaware was double what was expected in this closed primary

the more the establishment rips on TEA the better it tastes to american voters

ms odonnell is HOT, she's getting flooded with donations, just since last nite---her website crashed today

this race is gonna be close, if she loses it won't be by much

and that in itself is terrifying to the party in power, that a tea party extremist has a real chance to take joe biden's bench in the blue hens

something is happening in america, something big

we are witnessing the awakening of an exciting NEW gop

it is likely to pilfer pelosi's place, and it's going to come very close upstairs, at the least

worry

Nice spin. The reality is that the Tea Party pretty much ensured the Democrats will keep the Senate. For that I owe them a measure of thanks. Thank you Palin and Tea Party....
 
Nice spin. The reality is that the Tea Party pretty much ensured the Democrats will keep the Senate. For that I owe them a measure of thanks. Thank you Palin and Tea Party....

According to Nate Silver, this means that the Reps have a 21% chance of taking the Senate instead of the 26% chance they had yesterday. Not sure what you're basing your argument on, but the numbers disagree.
 
The tea party's success has made it more likely that voters in Delaware will have a Senator from the democratic party, and have just diminished the Republican Party's chances of taking over the senate.

2 Insurgents Could Hurt G.O.P. Chances for Senate Takeover - NYTimes.com

People have to vote their conscience, but they've not only impacted Delaware, they've also impacted the rest of the U.S.

I find it humorous, personally. Of course, I'll be voting for Charlie Crist, Independent, for Senator. I wonder whether he will reaffiliate with the republican party when he gets elected, or if he'll become a democrat.
 
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The tea party's success has made it more likely that voters in Delaware will have a Senator from the democratic party, and have just diminished the Republican Party's chances of taking over the senate.

2 Insurgents Could Hurt G.O.P. Chances for Senate Takeover - NYTimes.com

People have to vote their conscience, but they've not only impacted Delaware, they've also impacted the rest of the U.S.

I find it humorous, personally. Of course, I'll be voting for Charlie Crist, Independent, for Senator. I wonder whether he will reaffiliate with the republican party when he gets elected, or if he'll become a democrat.

Right now dems are happy, with good reason. And it would be very good for democrats if Plain is the presidential nomination. But it would be bad for the country if a few of these folks won, and worse if Palin won. I would prefer republicans actually fielded a viable alternative.
 
According to Nate Silver, this means that the Reps have a 21% chance of taking the Senate instead of the 26% chance they had yesterday. Not sure what you're basing your argument on, but the numbers disagree.

Dunno where you got the 21% number from, but the 26% number was not with Castle as the nominee, but with Castle as having a 75% chance of being the nominee. If he was nominated, the chances of a GOP takover (according to Nate Silver) would be 30%. Though I admit, the drop of 9% is less than what I would have expected.
 
Nice spin. The reality is that the Tea Party pretty much ensured the Democrats will keep the Senate. For that I owe them a measure of thanks. Thank you Palin and Tea Party....

you're welcome

when you're in opposition, 48 senate seats is pretty much as good as 51 (think about it)

and...

48 folks the likes of paul miller, mike buck, pat toomey, marco rubio, rand paul...

why, that's an entire revolution of SPIN!

seeya in november, AND BEYOND
 
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