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MSgt said:
Oh, not in those words. How enlightening. Maybe this is why the unlearned manage to think their opinions matter.
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I suppose the bolded portion means you're not talking about me in any way. Confusing, when you're quoting my words, but whatever makes you happy.

MSgt said:
Shake away. In the end, uniforms don't run this country. Suits do. Coronado seems to think civilians haven't screwed up military activities forthe last 65 years. With the same civilians screwing up this country we can't seem to grasp that it has done the same towards a military they control? This country needs more military in Washington and less civilians.
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So, you completely failed to address how you labeled me inaccurately. I'll take that as an admission of error, and you will of course retort that this is an obvious sign of how I am somehow inferior to you. Just figured I'd save you the trouble. :lol:

MSgt said:
It doesn't matter who's mouth it comes out of. It's truth and only partisan sheep would seek to designate it. Many people aren't born in this country. Those that are are born here merely inherit their rights. They haven't earned it. It's like being born into a monarchy.
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Wait, so everybody who is born here, raised here, and builds a life for themselves here hasn't earned what they have?
 
MSgt said:
More representaion to keep TacticalDan and Coronado company. Like I stated, many of you don't deserve the military you have.
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You're right. We deserve a professional military that is above homophobia and racism and doesn't come away from their service with a sense of smug superiority or entitlement.
 
MSgt said:
Your just kind of bouncing all over the place aren't you?
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Nope, I believe in calling it like I see it. If I think you are acting a fool, I will say so..If I am in agreement with you, I will say so. This is what open debate is all about.
 
opinion8tdwench said:
On this one, Sadly, I must chime in for ol Msgt. Any military member who knows anything knows that the brains behind any silly butter bar is his Master Sgt. And any officer worth his salt knows to always ask for and take into very heavy advisement the advice of the Noncoms below him. Oh, your average E-3 isnt much in the chain, but without the noncoms, the officers would be just as much worthless baggage. On this one thing, yes..listen the the sgt, and dont speak of which you do not know.
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Almost no one is an E-3 for long, and once you get to about E-5, even E-4 with a couple years experience, you will find that people do come to you, at least in technical MOS's.
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
You're right. We deserve a professional military that is above homophobia and racism and doesn't come away from their service with a sense of smug superiority or entitlement.
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I don't care about entitlement. I do this for me, not you. Superiorty comes from reading books and educating myself.

As for homophobia, don;t worry. The military will lead where civilians once again cannot. For a group of non-superior people your kind sure seek us out to stamp the social change from generation to generation.
 
opinion8tdwench said:
Nope, I believe in calling it like I see it. If I think you are acting a fool, I will say so..If I am in agreement with you, I will say so. This is what open debate is all about.
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I wasn't even referring to you. Look again.
 
Redress said:
No, I was doing it on an aircraft carrier in the middle east. Those "real brains" ain't as bright as you think they are, and those who fix them are alot brighter than you think they are. Both groups of people do in an average day stuff most people would never have the courage or ability to do.
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I might take real dexterity and courage to drag knuckles under fire, but it's still dragging knuckles.
opinion8tdwench said:
On this one, Sadly, I must chime in for ol Msgt. Any military member who knows anything knows that the brains behind any silly butter bar is his Master Sgt. And any officer worth his salt knows to always ask for and take into very heavy advisement the advice of the Noncoms below him. Oh, your average E-3 isnt much in the chain, but without the noncoms, the officers would be just as much worthless baggage. On this one thing, yes..listen the the sgt, and dont speak of which you do not know.
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Sounds like typical redneck, working-class ethic to me. Every grunt would like to believe his master is nothing without his wisdom. I suspect there's a reason why grand strategy is ultimately determined by people who aren't high school dropouts looking for a G.I. Bill.
 
opinion8tdwench said:
I was not aware that my number of posts on THIS particular has anything to do with my ability to recognize a hotheaded tirade when I see one? It was hotheaded, and if you go back and read through, you might actually see that it was. I do not need to apologize. I could actually see your face growing redder and redder with every keystroke. Sometimes, sweetie, its good to take a deep breath and relax.
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Well, this latest book burning garbage, Mosque phobia, and DADT fanaticism has me a bit fed up with civilians right now.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
I might take real dexterity and courage to drag knuckles under fire, but it's still dragging knuckles.
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That knuckle dragging requires more training, more intelligence, more courage, more attention to detail, more ability to make snap decisions and be right, more mental and emotional stamina than you can even imagine.
 
MSgt said:
I don't care about entitlement. I do this for me, not you. Superiorty comes from reading books and educating myself.

As for homophobia, don;t worry. The military will lead where civilians once again cannot. For a group of non-superior people your kind sure seek us out to stamp the social change from generation to generation.
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If and when the military leads the way in some great social change, it is NOT because they are so far advanced from civilian society. It is because it is the one place that full control can be assumed. As a group of basically captives, the military is perfect for implementing social change. While I agree that it is frequently the military which bridges social gaps, I do not think that it is something to spout off about as though it is through some sort of enlightenment. The military changes because it must. Not because it is advanced, nor better than the civilian sector.
 
Redress said:
That knuckle dragging requires more training, more intelligence, more courage, more attention to detail, more ability to make snap decisions and be right, more mental and emotional stamina than you can even imagine.
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If you want to know the true thing: I agree with you.

I just thing MSgt is a gigantic scum-sucking windowlicker and decided to step in. I honestly think he's a great example of why civilians control the military, not vice versa.
 
Patria Antiqua said:
I might take real dexterity and courage to drag knuckles under fire, but it's still dragging knuckles.

Sounds like typical redneck, working-class ethic to me. Every grunt would like to believe his master is nothing without his wisdom. I suspect there's a reason why grand strategy is ultimately determined by people who aren't high school dropouts looking for a G.I. Bill.
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Number 1..you cant get into the military without a high school diploma. and number 2..oh hell, nevermind. It is simply not worth it.
 
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opinion8tdwench said:
Numner 1..you cant get into the military without a high school diploma. and number 2..oh hell, nevermind. It is simply not worth it.
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Funny enough, I'm a high-school dropout myself. Left and got my GED to get a job when I was sixteen.

I went to the recruitment centre near my old school with my buddy, and that little detail didn't stop the recruiter from given me the whole spiel.

Good life if you want it, I suppose, but where he'll be a retired military mechanic or some such in twenty years, I'll be a history professor. Nothing wrong with either life, but the latter is the one I want.
 
opinion8tdwench said:
Number 1..you cant get into the military without a high school diploma. and number 2..oh hell, nevermind. It is simply not worth it.
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Was number 2 asking what a dropout would do with the GI Bill?
 
MSgt said:
I don't care about entitlement. I do this for me, not you. Superiorty comes from reading books and educating myself.
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No, that's where education comes from. You believe yourself to be superior?
 
TacticalEvilDan said:
I suppose the bolded portion means you're not talking about me in any way. Confusing, when you're quoting my words, but whatever makes you happy.
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You and everyone else who thinks uninformed opinions trumps informed ones. And not the the kind of informed opinions that shine out from the magic TV cube.


TacticalEvilDan said:
So, you completely failed to address how you labeled me inaccurately. I'll take that as an admission of error, and you will of course retort that this is an obvious sign of how I am somehow inferior to you. Just figured I'd save you the trouble. :lol:
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Don't know what you are talking about. Shaking your lonely little fist at the government doesn't change the fact that ignorance won't replace ignorance. It's your kind that sit on high.


TacticalEvilDan said:
Wait, so everybody who is born here, raised here, and builds a life for themselves here hasn't earned what they have?
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They haven't earned their rights. They have been given. Do you earn your inheritance? Do you earn your daddy's throne? We're just lucky.
 
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MSgt said:
They haven't earned their rights. They have been given.
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Then nobody has, not even you. Rights are freely given to all - whatever else you have done is not about "deserving" rights.
 
opinion8tdwench said:
If and when the military leads the way in some great social change, it is NOT because they are so far advanced from civilian society. It is because it is the one place that full control can be assumed. As a group of basically captives, the military is perfect for implementing social change. While I agree that it is frequently the military which bridges social gaps, I do not think that it is something to spout off about as though it is through some sort of enlightenment. The military changes because it must. Not because it is advanced, nor better than the civilian sector.
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The military changes because a civilian judge and civilian Secretary of Defense made them.

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Coronado said:
The military changes because a civilian judge and civilian Secretary of Defense made them.

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Yet...a civilian judge can't make civilians change. This was my point. And this is why they always seek for the military to go through the change for the rest.
 
MSgt said:
Yet...a civilian judge can't make civilians change. This was my point. And this is why they always seek for the military to go through the change for the rest.
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For the most part, "the rest" have already gone through the change.
 
MSgt said:
Yet...a civilian judge can't make civilians change. This was my point. And this is why they always seek for the military to go through the change for the rest.
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Right, since open homosexuals are still not hired most places in the private sector. We need the military to show us how.

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Patria Antiqua said:
Funny enough, I'm a high-school dropout myself. Left and got my GED to get a job when I was sixteen.

I went to the recruitment centre near my old school with my buddy, and that little detail didn't stop the recruiter from given me the whole spiel.

Good life if you want it, I suppose, but where he'll be a retired military mechanic or some such in twenty years, I'll be a history professor. Nothing wrong with either life, but the latter is the one I want.
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you seem to have a very limited vision of what military members actually do. Why exactly are you under the impression that the only job out there for NCO's is mechanic work? There is nothing wrong with being a mechanic, but it is far from the only option available for military members. I was never anywhere near a motorpool, nor did I every touch a jet engine during my time in the military. Perhaps you could grab yourself a list of potential military jobs, and check out the wide range of careers involved before you go on about military mechanics?
 
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