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US soldiers 'killed Afghan civilians for sport and collected fingers as trophies

ric27 said:
lol...Being charged with a crime doesn't make you guilty - being convicted does.
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unless you have a double standard, then you believe those now incarcerated, but unconvicted at camp delta - some for almost nine years, are innocent until a court determines them to be guilty

Muslim terrorists that attack unarmed civilians because they traditionally lose more than they win when they attack armed soldiers. They are cowards. Those type of people deserve to rot
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it's a matter of perspective. disenfranchised muslims likely view those warriors as freedom fighters, opposed to an occupational force, much as American forefathers viewed those who fought for our nation's freedom. those American patriots also refiused to stand in straight line formations and fight conventionally - because that would have placed them at a disadvantage to prevail. what causes the muslim fighters' strategy to be any different?
 
Degreez said:
They are being charged. They wouldn't be charged if there was absolutely no evidence against them.



These type of people deserve to rot.
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The Haditha Marines were charged, too. John Murtha even convicted them on national TV. They were all found innocent of any wrong doing and walked. I remember back then, how plenty of Lefties swore up-n-down that they were guilty and deserved to die. No trial, no testimony, no nothing; just guilty, die.
 
OscarB63 said:
since I haven't lumped all muslims together and called them terrorists, the answer would have to be "no". was just pointing out the rampant hypocrisy of many on the left. (notice I said many and not all )
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I see, so this wasn't you...
as I said, muslims hate us for who we are, fundamentally.
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Sounds a lot like lumping to me.
 
justabubba said:
it's a matter of perspective. disenfranchised muslims likely view those warriors as freedom fighters, opposed to an occupational force, much as American forefathers viewed those who fought for our nation's freedom. those American patriots also refiused to stand in straight line formations and fight conventionally - because that would have placed them at a disadvantage to prevail. what causes the muslim fighters' strategy to be any different?
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for one thing, the american forefathers did not routinely attack unarmed civilians. there is a big difference between using unconventional methods against an armed opponent and murdering unarmed civilians.
 
OscarB63 said:
for one thing, the american forefathers did not routinely attack unarmed civilians. there is a big difference between using unconventional methods against an armed opponent and murdering unarmed civilians.
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you may want to brush up on the origins of the expression "tar and feather"
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, it hasn't been quelled with war.

But no, I'm saying there is a reason why war should not be something we enter into frivolously. It shold be something that saddens us even when it is justified. And anger us when it is not.
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What does this have to do with a bunch of sociopaths and thier actions?
 
Andalublue said:
I see, so this wasn't you...

Sounds a lot like lumping to me.
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nice try, close but no cigar. I never lumped all muslims together and called them terrorists


I guess you haven't read the quran lately. If you are a muslim and you faithfully practice what is written in the quran then you must hate all non-believers.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
What does this have to do with a bunch of sociopaths and thier actions?
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You might read the origninal comment. But it is too often a consequence of war. When we have war, we will too often see this.
 
OscarB63 said:
nice try, close but no cigar. I never lumped all muslims together and called them terrorists
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Nice semantics.

I guess you haven't read the quran lately. If you are a muslim and you faithfully practice what is written in the quran then you must hate all non-believers.
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I guess you haven't read the Bible lately.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
What does this have to do with a bunch of sociopaths and thier actions?
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you implied that war would quell them and their actions

then, you were put on notice that has not been the result

... to use a nearly ancient expression, you got served
 
texmaster said:
How did you miss "lol...Being charged with a crime doesn't make you guilty - being convicted does. "

Check out the OP. He is on topic.
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Yeah.

Come back when you can say something that makes sense, m'kay?
 
PeteEU said:
It is true, for all those doubters on the right.

Stryker brigade soldiers allegedly kept 'trophy' body parts | McClatchy



and

Local News | Stryker soldiers allegedly took corpses' fingers | Seattle Times Newspaper

The army is releasing information now that the story has broken. I would wager they have been trying to keep it under raps for as long as possible (I would if I were them), and will not release much information as it could inflame the situation and hurt a possible conviction.
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Taking body parts as trophies isn't a real crime, in my opinion.
 
apdst said:
Taking body parts as trophies isn't a real crime, in my opinion.
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so, taking body parts of fallen American soldiers is not criminal in your view

interesting position to take
 
apdst said:
No, it contains, "hear say".
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Ah, no. It contains references to other items that may be included in a trial as evidence. Some of that may include hearsay, which, in some instances, is allowable as evidence in a civilian court proceeding and, I assume, in a court martial proceeding as well.
 
OscarB63 said:
nice try, close but no cigar. I never lumped all muslims together and called them terrorists


I guess you haven't read the quran lately. If you are a muslim and you faithfully practice what is written in the quran then you must hate all non-believers.
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Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)

"Fight those who do not believe in Allah...And the Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say Christ is the son of God; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; Allah's curse be on them; how they are turned away!" (Koran 9:29-30)

And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)

When the sacred months have passed away, THEN SLAY THE IDOLATERS WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM, AND TAKE THEM CAPTIVES AND BESIEGE THEM AND LIE IN WAIT FOR THEM IN EVERY AMBUSH, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)

And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM (8:71)

FIGHT THEM: ALLAH WILL PUNISH THEM BY YOUR HANDS AND BRING THEM TO DISGRACE, AND ASSIST YOU AGAINST THEM. (9:14)

FIGHT THOSE WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN ALLAH, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, NOR FOLLOW THE RELIGION OF TRUTH, OUT OF THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE BOOK [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and THEY ARE IN A STATE OF SUBJECTION. (9:29)

O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination. (9:73)
 
justabubba said:
so, taking body parts of fallen American soldiers is not criminal in your view

interesting position to take
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No, it's not, "criminal". Offensive? Yes.
 
Coronado said:
Ah, no. It contains references to other items that may be included in a trial as evidence. Some of that may include hearsay, which, in some instances, is allowable as evidence in a civilian court proceeding and, I assume, in a court martial proceeding as well.
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I doubt that there is any prosecuter--civilian, or military--that is going to use a newspaper article as evidence of a crime.
 
apdst said:
I doubt that there is any prosecuter--civilian, or military--that is going to use a newspaper article as evidence of a crime.
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I never said that any would.
 
justabubba said:
you implied that war would quell them and their actions
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This is a lie.


then, you were put on notice that has not been the result
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More lies.


... to use a nearly ancient expression, you got served
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in your own little world of nonsense maybe. Shouldn't you be out crying about teabagging or something hack?
 
Boo Radley said:
You might read the origninal comment. But it is too often a consequence of war. When we have war, we will too often see this.
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Right cause this **** never happens in "peace"


VT
columbine
DC sniper.


Nah. sociopaths are only in the military and only blossom in war. :roll:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Right cause this **** never happens in "peace"


VT
columbine
DC sniper.


Nah. sociopaths are only in the military and only blossom in war. :roll:
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Wouldn't deal in absolutes, as that's a fool's argument, but I would argue it happens more readily during war. Nor would I argue that sociopaths are only in the military (boy, do you make huge leaps), but I would argue that it allows a sociopath a place where it is easier for him or her to get away with such evil acts.

I wonder what the next leap will be? :lamo
 
Boo Radley said:
Wouldn't deal in absolutes, as that's a fool's argument, but I would argue it happens more readily during war. Nor would I argue that sociopaths are only in the military (boy, do you make huge leaps), but I would argue that it allows a sociopath a place where it is easier for him or her to get away with such evil acts.

I wonder what the next leap will be? :lamo
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really it does? ever been to war? I didn't think so...



Ok hero, list all the incidents reported over the duration of the war. We can wager how many times I can eclipse that in the same time period civilian side.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
really it does? ever been to war? I didn't think so...



Ok hero, list all the incidents reported over the duration of the war. We can wager how many times I can eclipse that in the same time period civilian side.
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Well, you'd need a percentage as there are more people and time at peace. But, it isn't rocket science. And we do see this in war often, remember VN? Name a war where we didn't see it? And how often do you think people during war got away with such brutality?

:lamo
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, you'd need a percentage as there are more people and time at peace. But, it isn't rocket science. And we do see this in war often, remember VN? Name a war where we didn't see it? And how often do you think people during war got away with such brutality?

:lamo
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No I don't, I wasn't there.


How many folks get away with horrific crimes as civillians? your attack on the military is rather shocking coming from a veteran such as yourself. an honest person would state there are sociopaths in all walks of life, the fact some got into the military is not a black eye on the military but a shocking reminder that there are nuts out there.

what next are you going to remind us that the tea party is white? :roll:
 
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