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US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

Andalublue said:
BBC News - US church defiant despite condemnation of Koran burning

Is someone trying to muscle in on the Westboro BC's territory? I'm sure US troops on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan will be delighted people are making such good use of the freedom of speech they are trying to defend with their lives.

Can or should anything be done to stop this calculated attempt to stir up trouble? Is this like calling 'fire!' in a packed theatre? Or is free speech just too precious?
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As much as I hate bigots, I have to come out in defense of this church. To me, this is a First Amendment issue. If they want to burn Korans, or if a group of buttheads wants to burn the flag, they are protected. Sure, they are douche bags, but in America, even douche bags have rights that are protected by the Constitution. If they were setting fires to mosques, it would be a different story, and I would be calling for their heads on a platter. However, as long as they don't damage property belonging to another, and as long as they don't commit violence, they can burn a kajillion Korans if they want to.

The way I see it, a lot of Liberals complain when protesters are arrested for burning the American flag, but get angry when people burn Korans. Conversely, a see a lot of Conservatives wanting to condemn those who burn flags, but openly voice their opinions that burning Korans is not only OK, but desirable. To both groups I say this: You can't have it both ways. The Constitution says so.

Let the church burn the Korans. It is their right to do so.
 
Deuce said:
Read any thread relating to muslims on this forum. You'll see it.
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I certainly didn't, and you were responding to me.

But if you think it's a problem when they do that, then why, indeed, are you attempting to paint 300 million Americans with the actions of 30 buttwipes?
 
Deuce said:
I'm saying we shouldn't try to claim the moral high ground over middle eastern countries or muslims if we're behaving the same way. Not many Muslims burn bibles. Many Muslims have spoken out against burning bibles.
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Who's claiming the "moral high ground"? Maybe that douche down in Florida, but not people in this thread. Morals are as variable as the gods. I'm claiming my rights and liberties; that's it. Though I would point out that we're acting similarly in this one outside instance; not in general. Our government does not teach this sort of thing through schools, does not condone (though it will not intercede either) the behavor, does not encourage it, nor does it happen on the percentage scale as it happens in those other countries. There are far more people here percentage wise denouncing this act then there are Muslims in those other countries denouncing the acts of their people as they burn our stuff.

Regardless, they are free to do as they like and we are free to do as we like. And that's that.
 
danarhea said:
Let the church burn the Korans. It is their right to do so.
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I fully believe it is in their legal right to burn the Korans. As you stated though that doesn't make them any less of ignorance douchebags.
 
rhinefire said:
One little teenie, weenie church in nowhere, USA and the world turns against one old pastor!!!!! What cowards Americans are. We watch beheadings and flag burnings and simply go about our business as ususal. It is his and our right to burn any book ever written. HE is not killing anyone contrary to everyone is saying. God bless this guy, I'll send money to his church. Burn radical Islam and all its' followers!!
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Ironic that you should say this anonymously and safely sitting behind a computer. :lamo
 
Coronado said:
Ironic that you should say this anonymously and safely sitting behind a computer. :lamo
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Its too bad you don't have the same feelings about the Mosque in New York
 
ric27 said:
What does, the state of Florida have to do with this?
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The church is located in Gainesville. I was responding to the claim that these people are from Georgia. Beyond that, if you see a story in the newspaper about religious whackjobs, the odds are extremely high that the people will be located in Florida. Apparently, you can't swing a cat in my state without hitting a religious loon.

Another good example: http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/town-officially-bans-satan/

p.s. what's up, with the extraneous, commas?
 
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They could find something constructive to do with the money spent on the Korans and the energy/emotion behind the burning. I support their right to do it. But it's a very foolish and ignorant thing to do. As I've said before. I do think it's funny that in Afghanistan they had a pre-protest burning. "You burn our book and we'll burn your flag and an effigy of you." Burning honestly solves nothing and only exists to offend or make a statement of anger. At the end of the day we have burned books, burned US flags, a burned effigy of the pastor, a lot of hate, and wasted money. People do have the Constitutional right to make unwise decisions and I support their right to do so, but personally I find it moronic.
 
digsbe said:
They could find something constructive to do with the money spent on the Korans and the energy/emotion behind the burning. I support their right to do it. But it's a very foolish and ignorant thing to do. As I've said before. I do think it's funny that in Afghanistan they had a pre-protest burning. "You burn our book and we'll burn your flag and an effigy of you." Burning honestly solves nothing and only exists to offend or make a statement of anger. At the end of the day we have burned books, burned US flags, a burned effigy of the pastor, a lot of hate, and wasted money. People do have the Constitutional right to make unwise decisions and I support their right to do so, but personally I find it moronic.
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If you wanted to have a positive impact on Islamics, what would you do with the money that is being spent on this protest, Digs?
 
Deuce said:
Read any thread relating to muslims on this forum. You'll see it.
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Well thats all fine and dandy there boone but when the ****ing chips are down and the continued existance of your way of life is at stake, there can only be two sides.


If WE (this country, christians, westerners, WTF ever you want to be called) don't realize that when the chips are down, there won't be a Muslim that falters on that question, then we will not posess the moral clarity to do what has to be done when the time comes and the west will fizzle out like a bunch of whiney little bitches into the history books. (or maybe not even allowed into history books)

I find it absolutely amazing that as a society we are not willing to defend our way of life and as such we have no business deserving it.
 
ric27 said:
the ****ing chips are down and the continued existance of your way of life is at stake, there can only be two sides.
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Is our continued existence at stake???!!!!??eleven!!!?????

I better stock up on firearms. It's Red Dawn all over again.



Only this time, the bad guys will be wearing checkered scarves and desert robes!!

WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!
 
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Catz Part Deux said:
If you wanted to have a positive impact on Islamics, what would you do with the money that is being spent on this protest, Digs?
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I would probably donate it to a charity that functions in Islamic nations. The money could be spent in many other useful places.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Is our continued existence at stake???!!!!??eleven!!!?????

I better stock up on firearms. It's Red Dawn all over again.



Only this time, the bad guys will be wearing checkered scarves and desert robes!!

WOLVERINES!!!!!!!!
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Do you think Islam is incompatible with Western values?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
If you wanted to have a positive impact on Islamics, what would you do with the money that is being spent on this protest, Digs?
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Propaganda campaign. I'd go for huge humanitrian efforts including things like medical care and schools for their kids. You fight propaganda with propaganda. Afterall, you catch more flies with honey.
 
texmaster said:
Its too bad you don't have the same feelings about the Mosque in New York
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What the **** does that have to do with anything, champ?
 
Coronado said:
What the **** does that have to do with anything, champ?
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Well chuckles they have a right to build it but it isn't a good idea either just like the Koran burnings. Starting to get the correlation?
 
texmaster said:
Well chuckles they have a right to build it but it isn't a good idea either just like the Koran burnings. Starting to get the correlation?
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Are you gonna hijack this thread and make it into another Ground Zero mosque circlejerk? Get some new material.
 
texmaster said:
Well chuckles they have a right to build it but it isn't a good idea either just like the Koran burnings. Starting to get the correlation?
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Are they planning on burning bibles at the Mosque or something?
 
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