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Afghans protest U.S. church's plans to torch Koran

soccerboy22 said:
And as for changing perception it is up to both sides to have a change in perception.
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and how are we to have a change in perception if there is no change in their actions?
 
ric27 said:
Perception is reality, expecially when you are talking about casting every Muslim into the same mold. But who is responsible for changing that perception? does the responsibility lie with "us" or with "them"? to break it down in simplistic terms. Is it my moral or ethical or humanitarian responsibility to turn the other cheek and look for the good in people? It is very hard to do that when acts of violence and hatred continue to happen without an uproar from the Muslim community denouncing the acts. More often than not, there is not as much as a peep, and as is said, silence speaks volumes.
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I really dont think they get equal air time:

Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks
 
OscarB63 said:
and how are we to have a change in perception if there is no change in their actions?
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I don't expect anyone's perception of the extremists to change because those people are literally scum of the earth, like all extremists. I was talking more about the moderate Muslims who are good decent individuals. For some reason some people equate the moderates to be similar to the extremists and the perception that needs to be changed is that isn't the case.
 
OscarB63 said:
silence implies consent.
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I guess you are all for child molestation, since I don't hear you speaking up against it.

Silence does not imply anything other than silence.
 
Coronado said:
I guess you are all for child molestation, since I don't hear you speaking up against it.

Silence does not imply anything other than silence.
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The difference would be, if a christian committed terrorist actions, other christians would stand up and say that those jackasses were crackpots who did not represent their religion.

They would be condemning the terrorist actions as well as the people who committed them. I don't see a lot of this comming from the worldwide muslim community.
 
ric27 said:
To stopgap your assertion that they do, they have mildly denounced the acts, but never the perpetrators. There is a difference.
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The AMPCC statement read in part:

"American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts."
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You call that mild?
 
j-mac said:
Let me open with this disclaimer. I do NOT condone what this church in Florida plans to do. I think it is intolerant, and inciting while American lives are in direct contact danger in the ME.

But I would like to delve beyond the usual argument here, and discuss why it is ok, seemingly, for members of Islam to constantly desecrate things like the American Flag, and burn churches and bibles over there, while here it raises nary a story, but have one whacked church here threaten to burn a Koran, and all hell breaks loose in the press, and on the ground there.


j-mac
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I find it amazing that you, a conservative, would compare what we do in America with a third world country like Afghanistan. They do it, so it should be ok that we do the same thing as well. I think we are much better than that.
 
VanceMack said:
If you meant that to me then yes...it was...

How was Hotlanta?
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Hotlanta was great. You have to love a sport that has an invocation before people start drinking hard and driving around a track in circles. God bless America!
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Hotlanta was great. You have to love a sport that has an invocation before people start drinking hard and driving around a track in circles. God bless America!
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Would that be NASCAR? I hear aliens invented it and it looks amazing from the air.
 
Granted, I only read the first nine pages, but I'm surprised no one mentioned this sooner...

Dove World Outreach Centre + Burning Korans = Irony?

What kind of outreach is this exactly?
 
theangryamerican said:
Granted, I only read the first nine pages, but I'm surprised no one mentioned this sooner...

Dove World Outreach Centre + Burning Korans = Irony?

What kind of outreach is this exactly?
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Do not make me come over there and beat the debil out of you asking such nonsense questions:mrgreen:
 
VanceMack said:
Im not so much concerned about being pissed off...been there...not overly impressed with impotent dsiplays like the one he will be engaging in. I AM concerned that this asshole of a 'preacher' will make my son a greater target to some extremist scumbag than he already is as one of Obamas 50,000 trip-wires left in Iraq.
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But, but, what about all those moderate Muslims?
 
Deuce said:
You know, Christianity and Judaism say to do some pretty crazy, sometimes violent things. Yet their followers treat their religions in a moderate fashion and put it in a modern context by NOT DOING THOSE THINGS. Somehow, American conservatives have gotten the impression that Muslims are incapable of doing the same. It's pretty amusing.
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Pretty amusing?
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Amusing? They obviously are not capable of progressing. Just look at the terror acts committed... the murder of film makers and politicians... of journalists and aid workers... of attempted murder of cartoonists.

It isn't that it's a few nut cases either... it is the silence when these sickening acts take place. THE SILENCE OF THE LAMBS... and with their silence they condone this putrid behavior.

There need be a religious war, and that war need be fought within and among those worshiping Allah... but they are nowhere close.

Christianity and Judaism say to do some pretty crazy, sometimes violent things...
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Like beheading journalists, using people as human shields, fighting from Mosques and Hospitals... mutilating women, requiring them to have shadows wherever they go, denying them education and the right to vote, and stoning them for adultery... and of course if they don't agree with you you'll be subject to a Fatwa (ask Rushdie), and don't even ask about Jihad... or what happens if you try to leave their "faith".

It is stunningly amazing to see this outpouring of compassion and tolerance from groups that ravage Christians and Christianity for a group of Neanderthals whose religion hasn't changed since the 7th century.

Obama called Christians "bitter clingers", I wonder what he has to say about this, perhaps his... religion of peace... ROTFLOL...

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Coronado said:
I guess you are all for child molestation, since I don't hear you speaking up against it.

Silence does not imply anything other than silence.
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yeah....riiiiiiight.
 
Andalublue said:
Yep, it will make them more of a target too.
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So, let me guess, the Islamofacists are going to start offing, "moderate", Muslims, because some American dickhead burned a Koran in Florida? Nooooow, you're reaching.
 
Coronado said:
I guess you are all for child molestation, since I don't hear you speaking up against it.

Silence does not imply anything other than silence.
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Actually, what I see coming from the Muslim community is condemnation of the act, but not for the motivation for the act. In fact, all I hear are excuses, even justifications for anti-American terrorism.
 
apdst said:
In fact, all I hear are excuses, even justifications for anti-American terrorism.
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Wanna prove that?

All I hear is.

"THEY WON'T CONDEMN IT AT ALL"

*evidence is presented that they have*

"THEY WON'T CONDEMN THE MOTIVATION!!!!"

Are you sure that when they talk about the motivation, they're explaining WHY it happens?
 
Jetboogieman said:
Wanna prove that?

All I hear is.

"THEY WON'T CONDEMN IT AT ALL"

*evidence is presented that they have*

"THEY WON'T CONDEMN THE MOTIVATION!!!!"

Are you sure that when they talk about the motivation, they're explaining WHY it happens?
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Does anyone explain WHY the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? Are excuses made for the manner in which the Japanese treated American POW's during WW2? No, we simply condemn their actions and make no excuses, nor explanations for those actions.
 
apdst said:
Does anyone explain WHY the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? Are excuses made for the manner in which the Japanese treated American POW's during WW2? No, we simply condemn their actions and make no excuses, nor explanations for those actions.
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Have you ever heard the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki discussed without a JUSTIFICATION for them?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Perhaps from the Japanese perspective, THEY believe they were justified as well. Other people might see it as genocidal.
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Well, hell, the Germans thought Hitler was justified, too. But, we all know they weren't. Don't we?
 
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