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Ariz. governor says she was wrong about beheadings

So what you're saying is that if Pelosi said that the war in Iraq has led to American soldiers killing innocent people indiscriminately, you'd just put it on her being a politician? Good to know. I'll communicate that to her right now through the same bull**** hotline you're using.

Not quite. My point is Chappy is making a big issue of the beheadings that were on the border in Mexico and not AZ. You misrepresented my point. My point is that politicians at times misspeak. It is up to us to see the BS. Should they be called on it. Yes. I also was trying to see if Chappy, (who rarely answers questions), would at least state Pelosi has misspoken a time or two and if she would be held to the same standard as Brewer.

Since you chimed in, can you answer my question about Pelosi? How about her statement of unemployment checks are the fastest way to create jobs. Is this 100% correct?

IMO, there are very few politicians that don't misspeak, or string the truth a bit to make a point. Do you disagree that there is violance along the AZ border?. As a voter it is up to us to look through the BS and find the truth on the issue.
 
At least she owns up to her mistakes and admits she was wrong. That takes humility and character. Obama on the other hand propagates his failed stimulus as healing the economy and jobs. When will he admit his lies?

she's a complete moron.
 
she's a complete moron.


Won't disagree. and she is a terrible speaker. IMO, your title of "moron"could be applied to most members of Congress.
 
red morons are capable of taking major swing states by a plurality of TWENTY

worry
 
Won't disagree. and she is a terrible speaker. IMO, your title of "moron"could be applied to most members of Congress.

maybe not moron, but crook, liar, etc.......
 
Re: Ariz. governor recants beheadings statement

So you have zero evidence she knew the information was false. Got it.

Face it Hatuey. Your entire claim that she "lied" is based on nothing but your own personal bias.

Here I'll set for you every possible scenario:

She made the claim based on stuff somebody outside of her staff told her. Which makes her an idiot for not having any of her staff verify the claim.

She made the claim based on what one of her staffers told her. Which makes her staff seem highly dishonest at the best and sabotaging at worst.

She made the claim based on what the coroners in the state told her. Which is impossible seeing as how my link disproves any possibility of that having happened.

So which one is it?
 
Not quite. My point is Chappy is making a big issue of the beheadings that were on the border in Mexico and not AZ. You misrepresented my point. My point is that politicians at times misspeak. It is up to us to see the BS. Should they be called on it. Yes. I also was trying to see if Chappy, (who rarely answers questions), would at least state Pelosi has misspoken a time or two and if she would be held to the same standard as Brewer.

Since you chimed in, can you answer my question about Pelosi? How about her statement of unemployment checks are the fastest way to create jobs. Is this 100% correct?

IMO, there are very few politicians that don't misspeak, or string the truth a bit to make a point. Do you disagree that there is violance along the AZ border?. As a voter it is up to us to look through the BS and find the truth on the issue.

I honestly don't care what Pelosi has said or done, I wish her leathery skin would choke her to death. Jan Brewer made claims about clearly fictional beheadings to justify having passed a certain law. That is the issue at hand here. I doubt she mispoke as she has on MANY occasions made claims about illegal immigrants which have later proven to be distortions or simply untrue. With that said, the violence 'along the AZ border' is nothing more than a myth:

Violence is not up on Arizona border despite Mexican drug war

"We have not, thank God, witnessed any spillover violence from Mexico," Bermudez says emphatically. "You can look at the crime stats. I think Nogales, Arizona, is one of the safest places to live in all of America."

document Republic's Sunday front page

FBI Uniform Crime Reports and statistics provided by police agencies, in fact, show that the crime rates in Nogales, Douglas, Yuma and other Arizona border towns have remained essentially flat for the past decade, even as drug-related violence has spiraled out of control on the other side of the international line. Statewide, rates of violent crime also are down.

While smugglers have become more aggressive in their encounters with authorities, as evidenced by the shooting of a Pinal County deputy on Friday, allegedly by illegal-immigrant drug runners, they do not routinely target residents of border towns.

In 2000, there were 23 rapes, robberies and murders in Nogales, Ariz. Last year, despite nearly a decade of population growth, there were 19 such crimes. Aggravated assaults dropped by one-third. No one has been murdered in two years.

Read more: Violence is not up on Arizona border despite Mexican drug war

Again, when your argument on mulitple occasions is that a law should be made because people are bringing X,Y and Z into your side but can't seem to back that up with ANY evidence then when you make such an argument again it is clear you're not mispeaking. You're simply making more false claims.
 
I honestly don't care what Pelosi has said or done, I wish her leathery skin would choke her to death. Jan Brewer made claims about clearly fictional beheadings to justify having passed a certain law. That is the issue at hand here. I doubt she mispoke as she has on MANY occasions made claims about illegal immigrants which have later proven to be distortions or simply untrue. With that said, the violence 'along the AZ border' is nothing more than a myth:

Violence is not up on Arizona border despite Mexican drug war



Again, when your argument on mulitple occasions is that a law should be made because people are bringing X,Y and Z into your side but can't seem to back that up with ANY evidence then when you make such an argument again it is clear you're not mispeaking. You're simply making more false claims.

SB1070 was not about beheadings. It is about being illegal in Arizona/US, etc. I never said the law was made because of the violance.
 
Re: Ariz. governor recants beheadings statement

Here I'll set for you every possible scenario:

She made the claim based on stuff somebody outside of her staff told her. Which makes her an idiot for not having any of her staff verify the claim.

She made the claim based on what one of her staffers told her. Which makes her staff seem highly dishonest at the best and sabotaging at worst.

She made the claim based on what the coroners in the state told her. Which is impossible seeing as how my link disproves any possibility of that having happened.

So which one is it?

you don't get it, very few in AZ appear to care
 
This is BN worthy?

Sure, and as long as it's partisan on the liberal side....it's acceptable too. Just you try that and see if you don't get a few points.
 
There's no partisanship when it comes to facts, they are either right or wrong, thats why its called a fact. And fact is that there are no headless bodies being discovered out in the Arizona desert.
 
Cry me a river for poor Brewer. The last I heard this thread was not about Pelosi or Obama. This article is about an opportunist politician that lied to rile up the fear mongers in AZ. Let me repeat myself, had a bigot, Russell Pearce, not sponsored the bill; had a media clown sheriff not been involved with the politiciking the bill; and had this idiot governor not been the one who presented this law, 1070 would not have been a circus.

It was a publicity night mare. Had a sensible politican presented the facts about the Arizona Sector's lack of federal law enforcement, and had the stats of this inequity (number of arrests for human and drug smuggling) been presented in a factual basis, we would not be involved in a media circus. The focus would have been on the both the federally elected GOP and Dem's lack of responsibility of locking down our border since the beginning of time.

Instead, we are sending sympathy cards to an idiot, and feeling bad for her mis information.
 
There's no partisanship when it comes to facts, they are either right or wrong, thats why its called a fact. And fact is that there are no headless bodies being discovered out in the Arizona desert.

And the governor was wrong about which side of the border the headless corpses were found on. Which she fessed up to.

(sure glad we finally got that one out of the way.... :beatdeadhorse )



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Cry me a river for poor Brewer. The last I heard this thread was not about Pelosi or Obama. This article is about an opportunist politician that lied to rile up the fear mongers in AZ. Let me repeat myself, had a bigot, Russell Pearce, not sponsored the bill; had a media clown sheriff not been involved with the politiciking the bill; and had this idiot governor not been the one who presented this law, 1070 would not have been a circus.

It was a publicity night mare. Had a sensible politican presented the facts about the Arizona Sector's lack of federal law enforcement, and had the stats of this inequity (number of arrests for human and drug smuggling) been presented in a factual basis, we would not be involved in a media circus. The focus would have been on the both the federally elected GOP and Dem's lack of responsibility of locking down our border since the beginning of time.

Instead, we are sending sympathy cards to an idiot, and feeling bad for her mis information.

Nice opinion, but without any proof or an opinion I share regarding the Sheriff or Pierce. I will agree the feds and Congress have done a bad job dealing with the issue.

By the way her "lie" did not rile me up. It is the lack of anything being done by the feds to control illegal immigration that has me very dissipointed.
 
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who's crying?

The right is crying, KTAR, the conservative Radio station in Phoenix dedicated its day with talk show hosts feeling sorry for the gov, and giving her a chance to correct her lack of intelligence and lie

and, yes, the focus is indeed right where it belongs---on the dems' failure to lock down our border for a very long time
seeya in november, and beyond

Wow, Prof you really believe GW, his daddy, McCain, and Kyle, all protected our border before this became a media circus? So the lack of a secured border is all Obama's fault? Wow, the right have a very short memory. I will bet you lunch that if the GOP takes back the prez and congress, they will not do a thing. Why? because they lack the balls to offend the Hispanic GOP. In ten years, we will be at war on the border, and the wing nuts will say it was Obamas fault.

Polls are crap. Let me see the questions asked, who was asked, their political party, and they I will plan my day around what polls state.

for some, i spose

You are right, it was not a publicity night mare. Our border is much safer. And, let's not forget all the money AZ will make because the wing nuts sponsored the bill without presenting true facts, e.g. fbi and ice arrests, feds lack of personnel, etc. Oh, you are right AZ is now respected more because a mumbling, stumbling, lying Gov made a fool of herself and was broadcasted throughout the world giving a fine debate. I cannot wait to see the line of businesses relocate to AZ. Our leaders are fine examples of stable politicians that are looking out for my interest.
 
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with all due respect, it's not ms brewer who comes across as crying

hey, maybe you could sue her, but you'd have to get in line

can't make it for lunch, but thanks

seeya in november and beyond
 
The right is crying, KTAR, the conservative Radio station in Phoenix dedicated its day with talk show hosts feeling sorry for the gov, and giving her a chance to correct her lack of intelligence and lie



Wow, Prof you really believe GW, his daddy, McCain, and Kyle, all protected our border before this became a media circus? So the lack of a secured border is all Obama's fault? Wow, the right have a very short memory. I will bet you lunch that if the GOP takes back the prez and congress, they will not do a thing. Why? because they lack the balls to offend the Hispanic GOP. In ten years, we will be at war on the border, and the wing nuts will say it was Obamas fault.

Polls are crap. Let me see the questions asked, who was asked, their political party, and they I will plan my day around what polls state.



You are right, it was not a publicity night mare. Our border is much safer. And, let's not forget all the money AZ will make because the wing nuts sponsored the bill without presenting true facts, e.g. fbi and ice arrests, feds lack of personnel, etc. Oh, you are right AZ is now respected more because a mumbling, stumbling, lying Gov made a fool of herself and was broadcasted throughout the world giving a fine debate. I cannot wait to see the line of businesses relocate to AZ. Our leaders are fine examples of stable politicians that are looking out for my interest.

then answer me this. How come some 20+ states are looking at producing a bill similar to 1070, that the majority of americans favor what AZ is doing, that even the majority in NM favor what AZ is doing? Me thinks some are over reacting. The "boycott" brought AZ to its knees, NOT. This will all blow over. As far as GWB, etal. if you read any of the other immigration threads many of us, including me, have stated the illegal issue has spanned many Presidents and they all have ignored the issue.
This is a free country, if you are that upset why not leave AZ?
 
with all due respect, it's not ms brewer who comes across as crying

hey, maybe you could sue her, but you'd have to get in line

can't make it for lunch, but thanks

seeya in november and beyond

No need to sue her, she will trip on her tongue, those that have sued will win and give your cause more to cry about. After all the GOP have never stepped on the consitution. Talk to me when the grand ole party fixes this problem, the immigration problem. I have a feeling, you will not be telling me I told you so. You're over confident about beyond. Win first, then fix the US, then maybe you can go beyond.
 
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