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Vigil Draws 150 in Support of Tennessee Mosque

Christians aren't required to pray before football games. Muslims are required to pray at certain times in a certain manner. Praying at certain times in a certain manner isn't a requirement of Christianity so they aren't in violation of their religion by not praying. Christians are not required to pray at designated times, out loud, on a carpet facing a special city.


HAHAHA. No.

Here you are saying that Islam is MORE important because "they are required" to pray. So if I belonged to a Christian Sect that demanded daily prayer you think that'd fly?

No, it wouldn't. Why are people so afraid to demand Muslims adapt to the 21st Century?
 
Here you are saying that Islam is MORE important because "they are required" to pray. So if I belonged to a Christian Sect that demanded daily prayer you think that'd fly?

I don't why not. The dancing with venomous snakes might be hard to pull off though:cool:
 
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HAHAHA. No.

Here you are saying that Islam is MORE important because "they are required" to pray. So if I belonged to a Christian Sect that demanded daily prayer you think that'd fly?

No, it wouldn't. Why are people so afraid to demand Muslims adapt to the 21st Century?

Yeah, it would fly. Just like Jews can wear a yamaka to school, even though it violates the dress code. Unless you wanna deny them that?
 
News flash.....we are not the UK.

No we are not. We do however have organizations such as CAIR and the Communist ACLU who are chipping away at our democracy little by little day by day. We have a socialist president who believes that he knows best for us because we are to stupid to know better. And we have an elite liberal dhimmi class that defend our enemies as well as a liberal media who spin the truth to satisfy there liberal agenda.

The nation is crumbling and some Americans either don't see it or refuse to.
 
HAHAHA. No.

Here you are saying that Islam is MORE important because "they are required" to pray. So if I belonged to a Christian Sect that demanded daily prayer you think that'd fly?

No, it wouldn't. Why are people so afraid to demand Muslims adapt to the 21st Century?

I never said that Islam is more important. I said that the govt. can't infringe on their right to practice their religion. It's not my fault Christians don't have the same requirements in practicing their religion.

I don't know of any Christian Sect that has the same requirements. But if there was, they would have to be allowed as well. The school shouldn't lead the prayer though for either religion.

I'm not afraid of anything here.
 
Where did I ever say that Christians did this? Where?

And the OP simply decried those who claim the mantle of Christianity and do un-Christian things - while simlutaneously praising a Christian and members of a Baptist Church.

But, you're right, we're just steps away from throwing Christains before the lions because I said it's most likely some punk-assed kids who did this. Obviously, that makes me, the Episcopal, a bigot against Christians.

Its OK man...really...I get you. So from now on...when there is an article about a someone that spreads AIDS intentionally through unsafe sex practices, we'll just accept that you are going to say...well what do you expect...thats what queers do. And when a woman is found raped in a bad part of town we should just say...well...thats black folks for ya. And when some inane crazed fool commits some act of eco terror...well...ya know...we got good evidence that thats what those idiot libs do. Oh...and when 12 year old schoolgirls are found raped and beheaded in India...well...we can just accept that THATS what MUSLIMS do after all...so it makes sense to accuse them...
Yep...bigotry and stereotyping is FUN.

Edit: My bad...in keeping context with the thread, we SHOULD be celebrating the acts of the 'good' representatives of all the groups...not the stereotypical bad 'normal' representatives.
 
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No we are not. We do however have organizations such as CAIR and the Communist ACLU who are chipping away at our democracy little by little day by day. We have a socialist president who believes that he knows best for us because we are to stupid to know better. And we have an elite liberal dhimmi class that defend our enemies as well as a liberal media who spin the truth to satisfy there liberal agenda.

The nation is crumbling and some Americans either don't see it or refuse to.

Sounds pretty scary. I think you may be exaggerating a bit though.
 
No we are not. We do however have organizations such as CAIR and the Communist ACLU who are chipping away at our democracy little by little day by day. We have a socialist president who believes that he knows best for us because we are to stupid to know better. And we have an elite liberal dhimmi class that defend our enemies as well as a liberal media who spin the truth to satisfy there liberal agenda.

The nation is crumbling and some Americans either don't see it or refuse to.


FYI the "communist" ACLU has defended the rights of Christians:

Ban on Anti-Islam T-Shirts in Alachua County Schools Prompts ACLU Lawsuit
School Administrators Trampled on Students’ Rights; Answer to Offensive Speech is More Speech, Not Censorship

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
November 23, 2009

CONTACT:
Brandon Hensler, Director of Communications, (786) 363-2737 or media@aclufl.org

GAINESVILLE, Fla. – The American Civil Liberties Union of Florida filed a federal lawsuit today against the Alachua County School District charging that school administrators unlawfully censored students’ free speech on multiple occasions when high school, middle school and elementary school students were suspended and/or threatened with suspension for wearing tee shirts promoting their religious beliefs about Christianity and Islam in school and at school events earlier this school year.

Ban on Anti-Islam T-Shirts in Alachua County Schools Prompts ACLU Lawsuit
 
I never said that Islam is more important. I said that the govt. can't infringe on their right to practice their religion. It's not my fault Christians don't have the same requirements in practicing their religion.

I don't know of any Christian Sect that has the same requirements. But if there was, they would have to be allowed as well. The school shouldn't lead the prayer though for either religion.

I'm not afraid of anything here.

Such bull**** IT. Gov't can't infringe cause "they are required to pray". But voluntary prayer can be infringed on.

Dance dance, we all know the truth, you're scared ****less of being seen as "Intolerant" of Islam. So much so you've concocted this gradeschool logic loop for why it's okay to let Islamic Students use Gov't land and time to pray but ban that from Christians.

Sad really, but what can I say, for you it's idealogy over honesty.
 
Such bull**** IT. Gov't can't infringe cause "they are required to pray". But voluntary prayer can be infringed on.

Is anyone being forced to the daily prayers of Muslims or even listen to them?
 
Is anyone being forced to the daily prayers of Muslims or even listen to them?

More dancing, more dancing.

What does it matter if someone hears a prayer? Where is that in the Constitution again? The part where the Gov't is to keep you from having to hear a prayer on Gov't property?

OH ****, it's not, anywhere. At all.

Try again buddy.
 
Such bull**** IT. Gov't can't infringe cause "they are required to pray". But voluntary prayer can be infringed on.

Dance dance, we all know the truth, you're scared ****less of being seen as "Intolerant" of Islam. So much so you've concocted this gradeschool logic loop for why it's okay to let Islamic Students use Gov't land and time to pray but ban that from Christians.

Sad really, but what can I say, for you it's idealogy over honesty.

When was voluntary prayer ever infringed on?
 
What does it matter if someone hears a prayer? Where is that in the Constitution again? The part where the Gov't is to keep you from having to hear a prayer on Gov't property?
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From a private stand point it does not matter. From a public stand point espcially when tax dollars are involved it does matter. Hence that is why prayer like morning devotions over the schools PA system were eliminated. Neither Christian nor Jew nor Muslim can use it to propagate their religion.
 
Such bull**** IT. Gov't can't infringe cause "they are required to pray". But voluntary prayer can be infringed on.

Dance dance, we all know the truth, you're scared ****less of being seen as "Intolerant" of Islam. So much so you've concocted this gradeschool logic loop for why it's okay to let Islamic Students use Gov't land and time to pray but ban that from Christians.

Sad really, but what can I say, for you it's idealogy over honesty.

I'm sorry you are unwilling to understand that point. I'm sure that's probably my fault too. :roll:

I don't know why you need me to be scared fecesless of being seen as intolerant of Islam. That's your little ideological tactic, to claim the person you disagree with is scared. I'm not the one claiming the sky is falling and America is crumbling. I'm not the one who's respiration gets quicker and shallower at the thought of anything Islam being near me.

I think that Islam is just as unbelievable as every other religion out there, including Christianity. I believe in our Constitution which says the governement cannot infringe on a person's right to free exercise of their religion.

I'm sorry you refuse to address the point I made about the different requirements of both religions.
 
When was voluntary prayer ever infringed on?

SCOTUS banned Voluntary Prayer before Football games because it "violated separation of Church and State".

Maybe you missed that? Yeah and IT, since he thanked you.
 
SCOTUS banned Voluntary Prayer before Football games because it "violated separation of Church and State".

Maybe you missed that? Yeah and IT, since he thanked you.

You mean, team wide organized prayer. Not individual voluntary prayer, you've confused the two. There's a big difference.
 
From a private stand point it does not matter. From a public stand point espcially when tax dollars are involved it does matter. Hence that is why prayer like morning devotions over the schools PA system were eliminated. Neither Christian nor Jew nor Muslim can use it to propagate their religion.

Voluntary Prayer harms no one, propagated nothing and the arguments against it are and were weak. The ears of a few were forced to hear something they didn't agree with. and now none can. But Muslims can go pray, cause' that's just A-OK.

You people DO see the hypocrisy of your stance I believe, but the idealogical demands on you force you to act the way you do, it's forgivable.
 
You mean, team wide organized prayer. Not individual voluntary prayer, you've confused the two. There's a big difference.

No, you don't know what the issue is yet you blather on.

Before the game, some student would get on the PA and say a prayer for the safety of the Players.

That's banned now.
 
Voluntary Prayer harms no one, propagated nothing and the arguments against it are and were weak. The ears of a few were forced to hear something they didn't agree with. and now none can. But Muslims can go pray, cause' that's just A-OK.

You people DO see the hypocrisy of your stance I believe, but the idealogical demands on you force you to act the way you do, it's forgivable.

If you want prayer in schools then you must give every religion equal time. That would make for a long day.
 
No, you don't know what the issue is yet you blather on.

Before the game, some student would get on the PA and say a prayer for the safety of the Players.

That's banned now.

And what exactly stops the students from doing this themselves? Oh yeah, nothing.
 
No, you don't know what the issue is yet you blather on.

Before the game, some student would get on the PA and say a prayer for the safety of the Players.

That's banned now.

Because he's using the PA system genius. And the student was elected as the "Student Council Chaplin". That right there is already a violation of the Establishment Clause.

The Court finds that the degree of school involvement makes it clear that the pregame prayers bear the imprint of the state and thus put the school-age children who object in an untenable position. The district’s attempt to disengage itself from the religious messages by allowing the prayer based upon a student vote was found to actually increase the district’s entanglement. Again, citing the decision in Lee v. Weisman, the Supreme Court states that "preservation and transmission of religious beliefs and worship is a responsibility and choice committed to the private sphere."
 
Why are people so afraid to demand Muslims adapt to the 21st Century?

Because many feel it would be insensitive to request that Muslims move up from seventh century thinking into a more recent one.

Unfortunately for many of us, while their heads might well be in the seventh century, as well as their hatreds, their weaponry is rapidly approaching 20th century technology.

So what happens when a seventh century mindset meets 2oth century (not quite yet 21st) technology?

The sensitive souls apparently feel we'll just have to wait and see.
 
Because he's using the PA system genius. And the student was elected as the "Student Council Chaplin". That right there is already a violation of the Establishment Clause.

The Court finds that the degree of school involvement makes it clear that the pregame prayers bear the imprint of the state and thus put the school-age children who object in an untenable position. The district’s attempt to disengage itself from the religious messages by allowing the prayer based upon a student vote was found to actually increase the district’s entanglement. Again, citing the decision in Lee v. Weisman, the Supreme Court states that "preservation and transmission of religious beliefs and worship is a responsibility and choice committed to the private sphere."

Except that argument falls flat on it's face.

Did you know that:
The Office of the Chaplain, United States House of Representatives

Oh look, there is a Chaplin, who prays before the House and Senate...

Sounds like the HOUSE and SENATE are in violation of the Constitution... by your logic at least.

It is no exaggeration to say that on Sundays in Washington during the administrations of Thomas Jefferson (1801-1809) and of James Madison (1809-1817) the state became the church. Within a year of his inauguration, Jefferson began attending church services in the House of Representatives. Madison followed Jefferson's example, although unlike Jefferson, who rode on horseback to church in the Capitol, Madison came in a coach and four. Worship services in the House--a practice that continued until after the Civil War--were acceptable to Jefferson because they were nondiscriminatory and voluntary. Preachers of every Protestant denomination appeared. (Catholic priests began officiating in 1826.) As early as January 1806 a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley, delivered a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House to Jefferson, Vice President Aaron Burr, and a "crowded audience." Throughout his administration Jefferson permitted church services in executive branch buildings. The Gospel was also preached in the Supreme Court chambers.
Jefferson's actions may seem surprising because his attitude toward the relation between religion and government is usually thought to have been embodied in his recommendation that there exist "a wall of separation between church and state." In that statement, Jefferson was apparently declaring his opposition, as Madison had done in introducing the Bill of Rights, to a "national" religion. In attending church services on public property, Jefferson and Madison consciously and deliberately were offering symbolic support to religion as a prop for republican government.
Religion and the Federal Government: PART 2 (Religion and the Founding of the American Republic, Library of Congress Exhibition)


Oh damn, facts>you.
 
Except that argument falls flat on it's face.

Did you know that:
The Office of the Chaplain, United States House of Representatives

Oh look, there is a Chaplin, who prays before the House and Senate...

Sounds like the HOUSE and SENATE are in violation of the Constitution... by your logic at least.


Religion and the Federal Government: PART 2 (Religion and the Founding of the American Republic, Library of Congress Exhibition)


Oh damn, facts>you.

Damn, what has happened to the American educational system?

Separation of church and state in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
While sometimes questioned as possible violations of separation, the appointment of official chaplains for government functions, voluntary prayer meetings at the Department of Justice outside of duty hours, voluntary prayer at meals in U.S. armed forces, inclusion of the (optional) phrase "so help me God" in the oaths for many elected offices, FBI agents, etc., have been held not to violate the First Amendment, since they fall within the realm of free exercise of religion.
 
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