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Why Do Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers?

I find this line hilarious:

"heavy drinkers are less likely to die than people who have never drunk".

lolwut? Everyone, I mean everyone, has the same exact likelihood of dying: 100%.

The issue is not the likelihood of dying, it's the timing of it.

You sure are a kill joy..... I thought from this article that now I can live forever.

(where is that smiley with the one finger salute?)
 
This is just a feeble rationalization to justify toper's bad habits. Sorry, it won't work. Too many drunks have died in their forties and fifties... Flynn, Bogart, Barrymore, Fields, to name a few.

ricksfolly

And because of this, if you had looked at the article in the OP, wouldn't even have been considered for the study because the sample as reported was of 55-60 year olds... It wouldn't take people who died of alcohol related problems before that.

I have no problem believing there are health benefits to moderate consumption of alchohol, but there are some gaping holes in the methodology of this study as reported to come to a general conclusion of non-drinkers v. heavy drinkers...
 
I don't know how credible the study is, but I don't see moderate alcohol consumption to be very damaging. I would imagine heavy drinkers to be more obese though and die sooner due to liver/kidney problems. I also wonder if more non drinkers smoke, because smoking is far worse than alcohol.
 
I don't know how credible the study is, but I don't see moderate alcohol consumption to be very damaging. I would imagine heavy drinkers to be more obese though and die sooner due to liver/kidney problems. I also wonder if more non drinkers smoke, because smoking is far worse than alcohol.

The study doesn't touch on 'longevity' - it just talks about happiness/depression.

If I was routinely tipsy I'd be happy, too. . . and lazy and worthless . . . but happy as hell about it.
 
The study doesn't touch on 'longevity' - it just talks about happiness/depression.

If I was routinely tipsy I'd be happy, too. . . and lazy and worthless . . . but happy as hell about it.
I linked two studies, one I marked as "related" and it had to do with happiness/depression. But the main one, Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers, Study Finds - TIME , has to do with longevity. (This is the actual study - the other link is the article about the study)

I also linked to a page that had several studies done by multiple places in the US, including Harvard, China, and other countries that all drew the same conclusions.

Alcohol And Health
 
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WGAS. I'd rather die 10 years earlier but have more fun than to live an extra 10 years and be bored.

Now is time for a 6 pack and some smokes.
 
I linked two studies, one I marked as "related" and it had to do with happiness/depression. But the main one, Heavy Drinkers Outlive Nondrinkers, Study Finds - TIME , has to do with longevity. (This is the actual study - the other link is the article about the study)

I also linked to a page that had several studies done by multiple places in the US, including Harvard, China, and other countries that all drew the same conclusions.

Alcohol And Health

Ahhh! there we go - thanks for clearing that up. You were referring to this study - not the other.

It's interesting that they consider 1-3 drinks *per day* as a moderate drinker.

I would have connected that with *heavy drinking* . . 1-3 drinks of any type is enough to get me plastered. I'd wake up with a hangover if I drank that *every night* - So I'm believing that tolerance and *type of drink* makes a difference.
Champagne or Whiskey?

So - the study that does focus on longevity does admit that life might be longer - but it'll probably suck more. Pick your poison.
 
I know on a biochemical level, that if you introduce a toxin to the body, the liver will become much more active, and in turn will purge other toxins. For example, in TCM, people who have really bad psoriasis are often viewed as having built up toxicity in the body. We treat it by introducing some toxic herbs which kick the liver into high gear. Through purging the toxic herbs, other oxidants in the body get purged, and the skin clears up. Often, these herbs are introduced to the body through alcohol solutions, like warmed rice wine, because the alcohol will enter the liver directly and carry the herbs with it.

People who drink regularly surely have higher liver enzyme levels, which is why moderate drinking would bring some benefit to the body. But you'll notice that heavy drinkers come in second, because the alcohol toxicity begins to cancel out the detoxing effects; and of course, non-drinkers don't have boosted liver metabolism at all.



I suggest people consult a doctor before engaging in this sort of activity. When your liver is under stress trying to remove toxins from your body, adding more toxins can result in liver failure. acetaminophen is a toxin that kicks the liver into "high gear", I wouldn't suggest binge drinking with it. :shrug:
 
I don't know how credible the study is, but I don't see moderate alcohol consumption to be very damaging. I would imagine heavy drinkers to be more obese though and die sooner due to liver/kidney problems. I also wonder if more non drinkers smoke, because smoking is far worse than alcohol.

I'll bet the booze lobbyists concocted this fable to sell more booze, not to promote better health. I'm always suspicious of altruism when big money is involved.

ricksfolly
 
You also suspect that the explosions in the gulf on the oil rigs were sabotage. You seem rather suspicious in general.
 
As for me, I plan to have a couple of beers this evening in honor of this thread.:mrgreen:
 
I'll bet the booze lobbyists concocted this fable to sell more booze, not to promote better health. I'm always suspicious of altruism when big money is involved.

ricksfolly

So... they concocted the 117 sources used for this info too? Even the ones in other countries?

Alcohol And Health
 
So... they concocted the 117 sources used for this info too? Even the ones in other countries?

Alcohol And Health

Like he said - big power and money.

They use to have Dr's claim that smoking was fine, so were White Castle Burgers . . . and backed it up with 'testimonies' and othe 'real-life' claims and examples of how great things were.

It's a common practice. :shrug:

But looking at the high number of alcohol sales I don't see that people really give a **** :) :rofl
 
I'm sure you would find it ironic since you made it all up.

No one has gotten outraged about anyone eating a few snacks a day. I couldn't ****ing care less. I also couldn't care less if people choose to drink themselves into oblivion 24/7. The only part I care about is if I'm footing the bill for it.

Need some more straw for your next strawman?

Well you musta not read that other thread then.. There was a whole lot of outrage. Anyways sorry for offtopic.

I drink and enjoy it:)
 
I don't know how credible the study is, but I don't see moderate alcohol consumption to be very damaging. I would imagine heavy drinkers to be more obese though and die sooner due to liver/kidney problems. I also wonder if more non drinkers smoke, because smoking is far worse than alcohol.

I would think that drinkers are more prone to be smokers but that is just my thinking as they seem to go hand in hand:)
 
WGAS. I'd rather die 10 years earlier but have more fun than to live an extra 10 years and be bored.

Now is time for a 6 pack and some smokes.

Why do you have to drink and smoke to enjoy yourself? I enjoy myself plenty well without either of them...
 
I don't drink to enjoy myself better, I drink to enjoy YOU better. :2razz:

You drink too much, you wouldn't be able to enjoy me because I would be out running with my buddies while you are still at the starting line because you are dizzy from your drinks... :mrgreen:
 
You drink too much, you wouldn't be able to enjoy me because I would be out running with my buddies while you are still at the starting line because you are dizzy from your drinks... :mrgreen:



I play men's league hockey, we've won championships drunk! :pimpdaddy:
 
You drink too much, you wouldn't be able to enjoy me because I would be out running with my buddies while you are still at the starting line because you are dizzy from your drinks... :mrgreen:

I'll meet you and your buddies by the finish line. I'll be the guy with a pack of camel non-filter, a fifth of Jameson, and three dirty, dirty strippers at my side. :2razz:
 
Why do you have to drink and smoke to enjoy yourself? I enjoy myself plenty well without either of them...

Drinking and smoking isn't required to enjoy myself, but I do enjoy drinking and smoking. I enjoy a lot of things, like the taste of a good rib eye. But I don't require rib eye to enjoy myself.

I drink wine in the evenings because I enjoy the taste of it immensely. I smoked because I enjoyed smoking.
 
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