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U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

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barb, i do think you're an islamaphobe, unfortunately. i don't like the idea of the mosque, but i would never demonstrate against it. just because i think it's insensitive doesn't mean it's an evil thing to do, and the people who are crying and gnashing their teeth over this are displaying the worst of us. and denying them the right to build that mosque DOES condemn them for actions by a few.

Whose denying them their rights? People are just curious about many things.
Here's number 1 on my list.
Imam Rauf says the purpose of the mosque and culture center is to build bridges.
That idea is not working at this location for the time being. If he truly wants to build bridges he would come out and talk to the people who doubt his motives.He would not refuse to consider another location without explaining why it is so important to have it there.
He has right to build there, but is it the right thing to do?
 
They are using our tolerance against us. It may be legal but it's WRONG in so many ways.

So we show them how then? By being intolerant of their rights and liberties? HAHAHAHAHAHA. Get over it, this is what it means to live in a free society and you best start learning that there are real world consequences for sticking to our resolve to be free. This is one of them. People can be assholes. ****ing learn to deal with it already.
 
While these muslims have every right to build their POS mosque, to do so at that location, with a goal of opening it on the anniversary of the greatest muslim terrorist murder of innocents on US soil is a cultural insensitivity that can be categorized as nothing short of an outright provocation.

You are calling it a cultural insensitivity, but hundreds of 911 families are not only saying that this is BS, but are proclaiming that the Islamic Cultural Center will do plenty to bridge the gap between the Islamic and non-Islamic communities, and also show that the assholes who committed 911 do not speak for Islam. And, best of all, they are Americans too, just as American as you and I are.

Keep spinning your hate, if you want to, but that won't change the facts.
 
You are calling it a cultural insensitivity, but hundreds of 911 families are not only saying that this is BS, but are proclaiming that the Islamic Cultural Center will do plenty to bridge the gap between the Islamic and non-Islamic communities, and also show that the assholes who committed 911 do not speak for Islam. And, best of all, they are Americans too, just as American as you and I are.

Keep spinning your hate, if you want to, but that won't change the facts.

This project isn't about what's legal or constitutional, it's about recognizing the difference between right and wrong.
 
This project isn't about what's legal or constitutional, it's about recognizing the difference between right and wrong.

It is wrong to interfere with the free exercise of an individual's rights and liberties if said individual has not infringed upon the rights of others. It is right to understand and accept reality along with the consequences of your choices and repercussions of your actions.
 
This project isn't about what's legal or constitutional, it's about recognizing the difference between right and wrong.

And, once again, there are hundreds of 911 families who proclaim it to be right. You don't speak for them. Period.
 
Americans are tolerant people, but when that tolerance is challenged by groups who hate us, attack us, and seek the extermination of our nation, culture, and society, then this becoming a major lightning rod of controversy is understandable.

The straw that breaks the camels back

you are clearly intolerant, therefore not an american.
 
You are calling it a cultural insensitivity, but hundreds of 911 families are not only saying that this is BS, but are proclaiming that the Islamic Cultural Center will do plenty to bridge the gap between the Islamic and non-Islamic communities, and also show that the assholes who committed 911 do not speak for Islam. And, best of all, they are Americans too, just as American as you and I are.

Keep spinning your hate, if you want to, but that won't change the facts.

Aren't you the least bit curious about the muslims in favor of this and the ones funding it? Is it inconceivable that they may be the "few" who hate America and want to destroy her?
I'm not saying they are, so let's prove they only have good intentions. So far I'm not seeing that.

A little off topic. Why are we using tax payer dollars to fund mosques in other countries? What happened to separation of Chuch and State that the left is always in a tizzy about when people try to pray in public schools etc.
 
But it doesnt make where the money came from relevant. :shrug:

it isn't relevant with the center either, but it doesn't stop people from bringin it up and using the same silly logic. Just watch Fox. ;)
 
You DO realise that many terrorists cite politics for the reasons for their actions not a book right?

Here is an example because no doubt you will ignore that.

Watch Video 7/7 bomber's message broadcast UK News at blinkx

"You may wonder what you have done to deserve this ... you have voted in this Government who continues to oppress our brothers and sisters in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and Chechnya"

" .... only a series of attacks that will continue .... until you pull your troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and stop financial aid to Israel and US ... "

Would you hear that? Do you hear something missing from that video?
Oh right, that would Qu'ran quotes

Politics has done this much more than Islam ever will and anyone who denies it are ignorant.
Almost all terrorists have some kind of connection whether emotional or physical to a Muslim country that has political problems. Whether it is Chechnya or Palestine, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan etc.
With or without Islam, the bombings would have happened because the problems are still there :shrug:

So, Islamic terrorism is all about politics and has nothing to do with religion? Gimme a break!
 
Who has stopped radical christians in the past? Ultimately other christians weighed in and took care of the problem.

Secularism and the law stopped any fanatic Christians in UK if there was any to begin with :shrug:

And no, I am not the police
 
So, Islamic terrorism is all about politics and has nothing to do with religion? Gimme a break!

Denial

Politics has and always will play a larger role in terrorism than Islam ever will.
 
Are you blind or being deliberately obtuse? They dont have to.

You're right, they don't have to. However, their reluctance to do so doesn't do well for their credibility.

And I can criticize you for your warped-ass logic.

I welcome you to do so. It's why I love living the freest country in the history of the world.


Muslims have no room to cry, for getting a bad wrap, when they consistantly refuse to denounce the ideology that motivates Islamic terrorism.
 
No... there's a user on this board named 'Aaronsongs'. GayLibertarian has an odd way of embodying that person. Aarongsongs would bust into a thread and start talking about being a gay black man or some odd **** like that when the thread had absolutely nothing to do with being gay.

Oh, I see. My mistake.
 
Muslims have no room to cry, for getting a bad wrap, when they consistantly refuse to denounce the ideology that motivates Islamic terrorism.

I beg to differ.
Muslims do try and stop the causes of terrorism and motivates it.
We wanted a withdrawal from Iraq, Afghanistan, a solution for Palestine. Pakistan to control its borders .... if those aren't the reasons behind terrorism, then nothing is.

Muslims said to US and the West that entering Iraq etc. will have a blow back and radicalise generations. Did they listen? Noooo.
 
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I beg to differ.
Muslims do try and stop the causes of terrorism and motivates it.
We wanted a withdrawal from Iraq, Afghanistan, a solution for Palestine. Pakistan to control its borders .... if those aren't the reasons behind terrorism, then nothing is.

Muslims said to US and the West that entering Iraq etc. will have a blow back and radicalise generations. Did they listen? Noooo.

A clear indication that you blame terrorism on everyone, except the terrorists. You couldn't have proven my point, any better. Thank you!!

Did you hear about what happened in Israel, today? I guesss if Israel didn't exist, these four Israelis wouldn't have had to be killed. That's the logic you're trying to sell us.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100831/ap_on_re_mi_ea/mideast_talks_9
 
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Denial

Politics has and always will play a larger role in terrorism than Islam ever will.

That's why Muslim suicide bombers are screaming, "allah akbar", on their way to murdering innocent civilians?
 
That's why Muslim suicide bombers are screaming, "allah akbar", on their way to murdering innocent civilians?

THAT is your only evidence that Islam is the sole cause of terrorism?
:lamo

Give me something better
 
I beg to differ.
Muslims do try and stop the causes of terrorism and motivates it.
We wanted a withdrawal from Iraq, Afghanistan, a solution for Palestine. Pakistan to control its borders .... if those aren't the reasons behind terrorism, then nothing is.

Muslims said to US and the West that entering Iraq etc. will have a blow back and radicalise generations. Did they listen? Noooo.

I seem to remember plenty of terrorism prior to Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
A clear indication that you blame terrorism on everyone, except the terrorists. You couldn't have proven my point, any better. Thank you!!

Your attempts at twisting my words is highly amusing but fails.

You see, I am holding individuals responsible for their actions and those terrorists are to blame for what they do.
 
I seem to remember plenty of terrorism prior to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Oh yes, I also mentioned Palestine which is still a big issue for some and Chechnya which is what one of the 7/7 bombers focused on.
Iraq was not the be all and end all for terrorism but one is blind if they try and deny it did not increase radicals.
 
Your attempts at twisting my words is highly amusing but fails.

You see, I am holding individuals responsible for their actions and those terrorists are to blame for what they do.

I'm not twisting anything. You said:

We wanted a withdrawal from Iraq, Afghanistan, a solution for Palestine. Pakistan to control its borders .... if those aren't the reasons behind terrorism, then nothing is.

Muslims said to US and the West that entering Iraq etc. will have a blow back and radicalise generations. Did they listen? Noooo.

Obviously, you support the motivations behind the terrorism.
 
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