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U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

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Hoplite said:
More importantly, why does the answer to your question matter?
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Why does it matter that Muslims speak out against the methodology and not the ideology? Really?

Are you defending the ideology, or the methodology?
 
jetboogieman, why dont you answer the question?

WHY is Islam intollerant of homosexuality?
 
GayLibertarian said:
jetboogieman, why dont you answer the question?

WHY is Islam intollerant of homosexuality?
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Because many of them are incredibly socially conservative...

Many Christains are also intolerant of homosexuals, or have you been living under a rock?

Not supporting what happens to gays in the ME... it's irreprehensible.

And the fact of the matter is. Do Muslims in America persecute you?

I believe they don't.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Because many of them are incredibly socially conservative...

Many Christains are also intolerant of homosexuals, or have you been living under a rock?

Not supporting what happens to gays in the ME... it's irreprehensible.

And the fact of the matter is. Do Muslims in America persecute you?

I believe they don't.
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Not yet, anyway.
 
apdst said:
Why does it matter that Muslims speak out against the methodology and not the ideology? Really?

Are you defending the ideology, or the methodology?
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I'm saying the ideology is irrelevant and they've already rebuffed the methodology....so your point would seem to be what we call a "moot"
 
Hoplite said:
I'm saying the ideology is irrelevant and they've already rebuffed the methodology....so your point would seem to be what we call a "moot"
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No, the ideology is very relevant, since it's the prime motivator for the methodology.

Obviously, you support the ideology. Yes?
 
GayLibertarian said:
How about Muslims becoming *TOLERANT* of homosexuals?

Why not Muslims, Muslim organizations, Imams and Islamic centers around the nation step up and stop the *persecution* of gays and lesbians?

Why don't Muslims protest in front of the Saudi embassy, the U.N. and other human right's abusers and *demand* that GLBT persecution end?
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Aaronsongs?
 
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apdst said:
No, the ideology is very relevant, since it's the prime motivator for the methodology.
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Except there are 7 billion Muslims on this planet and the overwhelming majority leave peaceful lives so that would seem to negate the idea that ideology is the prime motivator. It's easy to mis-use ideology for your own ends, in which case I hardly see how the ideology can be blamed as ANY ideology can be perverted.

Ideology is irrelevant in this case. People can believe whatever they want, even if that includes it's right to kill Americans or puppies or babies or whatever. That's the beautiful thing about living in a country with religious freedom.

Obviously, you support the ideology. Yes?
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I could give a crap about the ideology, I'll support the right of anyone, be they Nazis or Nihilists, to believe whatever they want.

Since the Muslim community has already condemned the methodology and the ideology doesnt matter, your point is gone.
 
Hoplite said:
Except there are 7 billion Muslims on this planet and the overwhelming majority leave peaceful lives so that would seem to negate the idea that ideology is the prime motivator. It's easy to mis-use ideology for your own ends, in which case I hardly see how the ideology can be blamed as ANY ideology can be perverted.

Ideology is irrelevant in this case. People can believe whatever they want, even if that includes it's right to kill Americans or puppies or babies or whatever. That's the beautiful thing about living in a country with religious freedom.
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We've seen many examples of Muslims condmening terrorist attacks. Yet, we've seen little, or no condemnations of the reasons for those attacks.

Another thing about living in the freest country on Earth, is that I can openly criticize a religion for it's warped ass ideology.


I could give a crap about the ideology, I'll support the right of anyone, be they Nazis or Nihilists, to believe whatever they want.

Since the Muslim community has already condemned the methodology and the ideology doesnt matter, your point is gone.
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If Muslims fail to condemn the ideology behind the terrorist attacks, then my point grows stronger than ever. I doubt you'll hear any of the islamo-lovers supporting you.
 
apdst said:
We've seen many examples of Muslims condmening terrorist attacks. Yet, we've seen little, or no condemnations of the reasons for those attacks.
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You DO realise that many terrorists cite politics for the reasons for their actions not a book right?

Here is an example because no doubt you will ignore that.

Watch Video 7/7 bomber's message broadcast UK News at blinkx

"You may wonder what you have done to deserve this ... you have voted in this Government who continues to oppress our brothers and sisters in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq and Chechnya"

" .... only a series of attacks that will continue .... until you pull your troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and stop financial aid to Israel and US ... "

Would you hear that? Do you hear something missing from that video?
Oh right, that would Qu'ran quotes

Politics has done this much more than Islam ever will and anyone who denies it are ignorant.
Almost all terrorists have some kind of connection whether emotional or physical to a Muslim country that has political problems. Whether it is Chechnya or Palestine, Afghanistan, Somalia, Pakistan etc.
With or without Islam, the bombings would have happened because the problems are still there :shrug:
 
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apdst said:
We've seen many examples of Muslims condmening terrorist attacks. Yet, we've seen little, or no condemnations of the reasons for those attacks.
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Are you blind or being deliberately obtuse? They dont have to.

Another thing about living in the freest country on Earth, is that I can openly criticize a religion for it's warped ass ideology.
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And I can criticize you for your warped-ass logic.

If Muslims fail to condemn the ideology behind the terrorist attacks, then my point grows stronger than ever.
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Strong as a mouse with osteoarthritis. It's bass-ackwards logic.

I doubt you'll hear any of the islamo-lovers supporting you.
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Ask me if I care. Go 'head, I dare you
 
Redress said:
OK, I laughed my ass off. I wonder if that means I am going to hell.
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If so then we're both damned. To be honest I think God may be laughing too.
 
Redress said:
OK, I laughed my ass off. I wonder if that means I am going to hell.
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Naw... But you'll probably only get 71 virgins and a toothless crackwhore..
 
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Redress said:
OK, I laughed my ass off. I wonder if that means I am going to hell.
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LOL
So did I. Mind if I join you in that trip to hell :p
 
It sounds like quite a delegation to hell, with Captain America leading the way.
 
Barbbtx said:
He's persistent if nothing else.

I was watching something where a guy from CAIR was defending the building of the Mosque. I'm not sure if they are helping fund it, but hasn't CAIR funded terrorist organizations in the past?
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Do you mean this CAIR?

The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) has consistently and persistently condemned terrorism and the killing of innocent civilians.
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The same CAIR tho compiled and submitted this petition against Muslims who commit terrorism in the name of Islam:

CAIR's 'Not in the name of Islam' Petition
Posted 5/13/2004 12:00:00 AM

CAIR today launched an online petition drive designed to disassociate the faith of Islam from the violent acts of a few Muslims.

The petition CAIR’s web site (CAIR wishes you a blessed month of Ramadan.), called “Not in the Name of Islam,” allows Muslims around the world to help correct misperceptions of Islam and the Islamic stance on religiously-motivated terror.

The “Not in the Name of Islam” petition states: “We, the undersigned Muslims, wish to state clearly that those who commit acts of terror, murder and cruelty in the name of Islam are not only destroying innocent lives, but are also betraying the values of the faith they claim to represent. No injustice done to Muslims can ever justify the massacre of innocent people, and no act of terror will ever serve the cause of Islam. We repudiate and dissociate ourselves from any Muslim group or individual who commits such brutal and un-Islamic acts. We refuse to allow our faith to be held hostage by the criminal actions of a tiny minority acting outside the teachings of both the Quran and the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

“As it states in the Quran: ‘Oh you who believe, stand up firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even if it be against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be against rich or poor; for God can best protect both. Do not follow any passion, lest you not be just. And if you distort or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that you do.’” (Quran 4:135)

CAIR’s petition drive comes following the videotaped beheading of an American civilian in Iraq that shocked television viewers worldwide. A CAIR commentary published today in a number of newspapers nationwide reinforces the point that Islam should not be associated with terrorism.

“We hope this effort will demonstrate once and for all that Muslims in America and throughout the Islamic world reject violence committed in the name of Islam,” said CAIR Board Chairman Omar Ahmad. “People of all faiths must do whatever they can to help end the downward spiral of mutual hostility and hatred that is engulfing our world."

Immediate Action Requested:

*Encourage local mosques and Islamic organizations to endorse the “Not in the Name of Islam” petition and have their members go online to sign.
*Promote the petition in Friday khutbas and other gatherings.
*Send statements endorsing the petition to local media through letters to the editor or editorials. (Local communities could even hold news conference. Ask CAIR for advice.)
*Distribute the petition action alert to friends, relatives and co-workers through personal e-mail lists.
*Encouraging Muslim websites to link to the petition.Publish the petition action alert in Muslim media outlets.
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That CAIR?
 
apdst said:
Actually, it's, "Aaron's Song". But, who cares about accuracy and ****. Right?
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No... there's a user on this board named 'Aaronsongs'. GayLibertarian has an odd way of embodying that person. Aarongsongs would bust into a thread and start talking about being a gay black man or some odd **** like that when the thread had absolutely nothing to do with being gay.
 
The sensitivies of the families of victims are certainly fair.
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This belief, which is adhered to by many on the so-called "left" is absolutely ridiculous. One cannot defend the freedom of Muslims while at the same time saying that the prejudice (i.e. "sensitivities") of the families of victims are "fair". This is nothing more than a defense of racism and prejudice against Muslims in an attempt to find a "middle ground".

These people are related to people that died in 9/11; that doesn't mean that they're necessarily smart nor right. Stop attempting to latch onto them as if they're infallible. They're not. Don't defend their hate.
 
danarhea said:
There are millions of Muslims right here in the United States, and guess what else? They are American citizens, who love this country, hate terrorism, and yes, some of them even fight and die for this country, by joining the military. This ad speaks for them, and puts the spotlight back on those who hate them for no other reason than their religion. Jim Crow didn't die in America. It merely chose another group of people as its target.

Yes, America is a nation founded by Christians, but our forefathers had something to say about tolerance of other religions:
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Dan, please stop being dishonest. There is a huge difference between saying the Mosque's location is inappropriate and saying all Muslims are evil. You are not a bigot because you recognize the impact of 9.11, what the terrorists said was their goal and their reason for doing so and respecting those viewpoints of the people of new York and especially the victim's families.

Again, no one is saying they don't have a legal right to build it so I ask you once again to stick to the facts.

Your dishonesty is really inappropriate and it doesn't help your side.
 
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