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U.S. Muslims launch ad to fight 'fear-mongering'

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I didn't say that they were doing it in the US.

Do you know anything at all about international Islamic terrorism?

Yes I do.

But I fail to see what that has to do with Muslim Americans that have been unfairly judged because of those Extremists.

Which is what the thread, the ad and the OP is about.
 
Yes I do.

But I fail to see what that has to do with Muslim Americans that have been unfairly judged because of those Extremists.

Which is what the thread, the ad and the OP is about.

So you want to separate American Muslims from international Muslims, is that it?

It's not possible.
 
Well what we're talking about here is Muslim Americans, and how they're being unfairly judged based on the actions of extremist assholes that aren't from America.

Care to elaborate on exactly what an "Muslim American" is?...and 2 just how many arrests can be directly attributed to simple good patriotism by "Muslim Americans"?

btw- Who is the public voice of "Muslim Americans" and what has been their line from the start?
 
Care to elaborate on exactly what an "Muslim American" is?...and 2 just how many arrests can be directly attributed to simple good patriotism by "Muslim Americans"?

btw- Who is the public voice of "Muslim Americans" and what has been their line from the start?

Because you are either a Muslim or a non Muslim or, as they would have it, a Muslim or an infidel. You might also, at best, be a Dhimmi.
 
We've seen many examples of Muslims condmening terrorist attacks. Yet, we've seen little, or no condemnations of the reasons for those attacks.

The colonialism and the foreign occupations of muslim lands for the past couple centuries? You want them to apologise to US? Islamic radicalism isnt a magical probelm spouting out of some evil islamic seed, its a direct human response to foreign intervention in their business coupled with an extremist ideology that was born of that.
 
Because you are either a Muslim or a non Muslim or, as they would have it, a Muslim or an infidel. You might also, at best, be a Dhimmi.

Are all christians the same? Is therer no differnece between Catholics and Baptists?
 
The colonialism and the foreign occupations of muslim lands for the past couple centuries? You want them to apologise to US? Islamic radicalism isnt a magical probelm spouting out of some evil islamic seed, its a direct human response to foreign intervention in their business coupled with an extremist ideology that was born of that.

I think you'll find that "colonialism" has always been a two way street with Muslims, SE102, and events of 200 years ago does not give any group the right to murder innocent people today.

If revenge is the motive then people all over the world could start killing Muslims because of their terrorism in many countries, and there'd soon be a bounty on them. Right now there is 'foreign intervention' by Muslims in the democracies. Should we start murdering them as a result?

Perhaps this "do unto others" philosophy should have been adopted by Muslims, and considered by yourself before you posted.
 
The colonialism and the foreign occupations of muslim lands for the past couple centuries?

The term 'colonialism' is defined as such:

Colonialism is the building and maintaining of colonies in one territory by people from another territory. Colonialism is a process whereby sovereignty over the colony is claimed by the metropole and social structure, government and economics within the territory of the colony are changed by the colonists.

Colonialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Can you explain to me where we are 'colonizing' any lands in the ME, and be succinct and in depth if you can.

Islamic radicalism isnt a magical probelm spouting out of some evil islamic seed, its a direct human response to foreign intervention in their business coupled with an extremist ideology that was born of that.

Who's intervention in the ME did Muhammad spring forth from?


j-mac
 
Can you explain to me where we are 'colonizing' any lands in the ME, and be succinct and in depth if you can.

I never said such a thing feel free to mangle peoples words it ought to get you places :roll:
Also are you denying that much of the muslim world has been colonised by the west in the past 2 centuries. PAST 2 CENTURIES being the key words you have missed here.

Who's intervention in the ME did Muhammad spring forth from?

If you are equating the prophet muhammad transmitter of the Qu'ran, with an islamic extremist, I find you unfortunately misinformed or possibly willingly ignorant to the point where I cannot take your discussion seriously. Its a known fact in study of terror that the vast majority of attacks are responses to foreign occupation or subjugation, save the fighting between Sunni and Shia extremists in Iraq thanks to the invasion which have claimed countless lives. Foreign occupation is the keystone of the purpose of any islamist extremist.

Do you feel like addressing my post in whole or in discontextualized parts?
 
So you want to separate American Muslims from international Muslims, is that it?

It's not possible.

Sure it is. Americans who are Muslims are American Muslims. The rest are international Muslims. What was so hard about that?
 
I never said such a thing feel free to mangle peoples words it ought to get you places :roll:

What? Wait a minute here....I didn't pull anything out of place.....You said:

The colonialism and the foreign occupations of muslim lands for the past couple centuries?

I am simply asking who we colonized in the past couple of centuries...If you can't answer that fine, but don't claim that I did something I didn't.

Also are you denying that much of the muslim world has been colonised by the west in the past 2 centuries. PAST 2 CENTURIES being the key words you have missed here.

Ok, explain it. Who'd we colonize over the past 2 centuries?

If you are equating the prophet muhammad transmitter of the Qu'ran, with an islamic extremist, I find you unfortunately misinformed or possibly willingly ignorant to the point where I cannot take your discussion seriously.

Again, you said:

Islamic radicalism isnt a magical probelm spouting out of some evil islamic seed, its a direct human response to foreign intervention in their business coupled with an extremist ideology that was born of that.

So answer my question please. What "direct human response" did Muhammad spring forth from? And further are you saying that Islam is an "extremist ideology" that was born from what ever you think happened to form it?

Its a known fact in study of terror that the vast majority of attacks are responses to foreign occupation or subjugation, save the fighting between Sunni and Shia extremists in Iraq thanks to the invasion which have claimed countless lives.

It's almost like I am reading from the pages of democratic underground. Now tell us what forign occupation and or subjugation caused the terror attacks on the Cole? Kobhar towers? WTC?

And "countless lives"? come on get real man. Over the top rhetoric gets us nowhere.

Foreign occupation is the keystone of the purpose of any islamist extremist.

Oh, is that right? do you know what a caliphate is?

Do you feel like addressing my post in whole or in discontextualized parts?

You are jumbling quite a few thoughts together in one post, so I think it is best to ask specific questions about the points that stand on their own.

j-mac
 
Sure it is. Americans who are Muslims are American Muslims. The rest are international Muslims. What was so hard about that?

Is there a different Qu'ran followed by American Muslims as opposed to say, Somali Muslims, as opposed to Bosnian Muslims?


j-mac
 
So answer my question please. What "direct human response" did Muhammad spring forth from? And further are you saying that Islam is an "extremist ideology" that was born from what ever you think happened to form it?

Im not going to answer your question because its seriously a loaded crock of **** that equates the foundation of islam with Jihadist terror itself. I commend your psychological prowess in attempting to get me to anwer a loaded question and fulfill your asinine assumptions, but seriously, I'd have to huff alot of paint to fall for that. So dont innocently lie through your teeth and say you're not pulling anything out of context.

If your not willing to openly discuss what I said in its full context you can acquiesce and leave the conversation rather than try to score personal political victories.

And if you are unaware of what you're doing, it would speak to a character I would never engage with.
 
Im not going to answer your question because its seriously a loaded crock of **** that equates the foundation of islam with Jihadist terror itself. I commend your psychological prowess in attempting to get me to anwer a loaded question and fulfill your asinine assumptions, but seriously, I'd have to huff alot of paint to fall for that. So dont innocently lie through your teeth and say you're not pulling anything out of context.

If your not willing to openly discuss what I said in its full context you can acquiesce and leave the conversation rather than try to score personal political victories.

And if you are unaware of what you're doing, it would speak to a character I would never engage with.



:lamo Wow! Dude, take another hit or something to calm down....gheeze! :doh

Ok, let's take it down further, I'll start with one simple question....What did I pull out of context?

j-mac
 
I think you'll find that "colonialism" has always been a two way street with Muslims, SE102, and events of 200 years ago does not give any group the right to murder innocent people today.

If revenge is the motive then people all over the world could start killing Muslims because of their terrorism in many countries, and there'd soon be a bounty on them. Right now there is 'foreign intervention' by Muslims in the democracies. Should we start murdering them as a result?

Perhaps this "do unto others" philosophy should have been adopted by Muslims, and considered by yourself before you posted.

Apparently I am a terror supporter.:doh
 
Can you explain to me where we are 'colonizing' any lands in the ME, and be succinct and in depth if you can.

The context is a global war on terror by many nations, I never accused the US of colonizing foreign land. But youd be ignorant to assume we have not militarily occupied countries and have not had direct military involvement in the middle east.

To reduce this to the kindergarten level:
What if muslims had bases in America?
 
The context is a global war on terror by many nations, I never accused the US of colonizing foreign land.

Look, I'll spell it out for you just one more time. You said:

The colonialism and the foreign occupations of muslim lands for the past couple centuries?

I gave you the definition of colonialism, and asked you how we did that, instead of answering, and actually having a conversation, you decided to take it down the road of a dishonest rant, and continued attacks aimed at me. That tells me your knowledge, and argument is weak.

But youd be ignorant to assume we have not militarily occupied countries and have not had direct military involvement in the middle east.

I never said anything like that, straw man argument. Ofcourse our military was physically there on ME soil. Pretty hard to fight a war if we were not wouldn't you agree? The question is, did we stay? Aren't we pulling out now? Are we colonizing?

To reduce this to the kindergarten level:

Grow up.

What if muslims had bases in America?

That is the silliest thing I think I have ever read.


j-mac
 
I gave you the definition of colonialism, and asked you how we did that, instead of answering, and actually having a conversation, you decided to take it down the road of a dishonest rant, and continued attacks aimed at me. That tells me your knowledge, and argument is weak.

Okay you have some sort of histrionic thing going on, obviously. You're too intent on jibe and small point to point debate victories to think that I may be talking about european colonialism and probably to much of an egotistical american to admit that other nations have been fighting terror before our country was formed.

I never said anything like that, straw man argument

You're inability to connect american military involvement in the middle east to the spread of terror is astonishing.

I dont know what the hell you are.
 
Is there a different Qu'ran followed by American Muslims as opposed to say, Somali Muslims, as opposed to Bosnian Muslims?


j-mac

No, but there are different interpretations of it.
 
I have a suggestion for their add campaign...it goes...

"Hey ASSHOLES! Stop blowing **** up and cutting peoples heads off in the name of Allah and maybe people wont lump us in with you pricks!!!"

Waddya think...maybe a different direction than what they were thinking?
 
Is there a different Qu'ran followed by American Muslims as opposed to say, Somali Muslims, as opposed to Bosnian Muslims?


j-mac

Do Catholics and Baptists and evengelicals read the same Bible? Do they practice exactly the same? Does the Klan use a different bible at their meetings? Should we say all Christians are the klan?
 
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