2 NY legislators want eggs vaccinated

Good now we can all safely do Boxing training like the great Rocky Balboa. Raw eggs in the morning for everyone.

MrVicchio said:

This is more "We're the Gov't we can protect you" mentality bull****.

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Haha - where's that image of Obama in a superman costume when you need it?

But reality is more like the borg: Resistance is Futile - you Will be Assimilated.

MrVicchio said:

This is more "We're the Gov't we can protect you" mentality bull****.

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You prefer - "we're not going to bother testing our product, just pay us for our ****ty eggs and enjoy your medical bills"?

MrVicchio said:

This is more "We're the Gov't we can protect you" mentality bull****.

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I agree to a large extent. They just announced that they would be doing a lot more inspections on factory egg farms. Which I don't really mind too much. But, since the salmonella was allegedly in the feed that was used, what's the point other then political gain? It would make much more sense to inspect the feed producers.

Deuce said:

I'd pay a penny for a vastly reduced chance of salmonella. But I guess I'm just a smug, out of touch liberal.

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Save the penny, the dollar and skip the chemicals, use common sense and cook the eggs. I never thought I'd say this but, maybe we need to teach people how to properly handle food so they don't endanger themselves... followed up closely by, teaching people how to wipe their nose, their ass (and washing their hands after), and tying their shoes.

FilmFestGuy said:

You prefer - "we're not going to bother testing our product, just pay us for our ****ty eggs and enjoy your medical bills"?

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Dude. Gov't can't save you from every danger in life. So there was an outbreak, the food got recalled, end of story. The waste of resources, the cost and the possibility of success for this "vaccination" program... is it really worth it? Will it really protect folks?

buck said:

I agree to a large extent. They just announced that they would be doing a lot more inspections on factory egg farms. Which I don't really mind too much. But, since the salmonella was allegedly in the feed that was used, what's the point other then political gain? It would make much more sense to inspect the feed producers.

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It's not different then when a shooting happens and someone proposes a new gun control law. As if that would have stopped the shooting.

FilmFestGuy said:

This is why I already spend the extra for local farm-raised, cage-free, natural nest eggs.

Yeah. I could spend $1 per carton and risk salmonella. Or I could spend an extra $1.50 a week to completely be (mostly) worry-free from such concerns.

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Perhaps I should start looking into that.

MrVicchio said:

It's not different then when a shooting happens and someone proposes a new gun control law. As if that would have stopped the shooting.

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Although i think the idea is stupid. Your point doesn't match in the sense that this is a vaccine which prevents salmonella, whereas a gun control law indeed cannot prevent someone from getting a gun.

Why don't we just use standard liberal logic here:

Chickens and products of chickens are hazardous to our health, therefore they need to be banned. Ban all consumption of chicken meat, products and other poultry products because they may contain salmonella, could (in the future) raise a strain of "bird flu" to cause an epidemic, etc. :lol:

FilmFestGuy said:

This is what I love about this issue - I have friends in this town (and we're in the same town) with whom I disagree politically, but we agree on this. It's time to take our food back.

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I completely agree with you. Not only that, but the farming industry has become just that, an industry. There are hardly any independent farming families anymore, and most farmers are forced to buy equipment from their company that keeps them in debt and forced to work for them. Our livestock is raised in unsanitary conditions, our farmers are abused, and the farming companies ultimately make big dollars at the expense of our health, food quality, and the lives of farmers. If you haven't seen it yet, watch Food Inc. It was a real eye opener for me and I think you would enjoy the documentary.

buck said:

I would be willing to bet that even some farm raised cage free chickens were exposed to the same feed that was found to be the culprit of the salmonella. You're just fooling yourself to to think hat salmonella can't occur.

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Typically they are fed better, and they are free roaming, not standing around. No one promises that the cage free chickens are salmonella free, but they are far less likely to have it. Studies have shown that free roaming chickens produce healthier eggs. Caged chickens are raised with almost no space for them. Many die, and their dead bodies are left rotting on the ground until a farmer can pick it out and remove it.

FilmFestGuy said:

See. To those of you who use political points in EVERY topic - here's 2 people in the same town saying that we agree on one thing.

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2 halfwits don't make a whole wit.....:2razz:

Practicallly everythling we eat starts out dirty...gets harvested dirty, gets processed dirty, and so on. No matter how much food processors try to keep it clean, there is still a risk of contamination. But there is a way to safely consume our food, it is called COOKING it.....

There has always been one very important ingredient that we must add when preparing our food, and that is common sense.

digsbe said:

Typically they are fed better, and they are free roaming, not standing around. No one promises that the cage free chickens are salmonella free, but they are far less likely to have it. Studies have shown that free roaming chickens produce healthier eggs. Caged chickens are raised with almost no space for them. Many die, and their dead bodies are left rotting on the ground until a farmer can pick it out and remove it.

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Maybe they are sometimes fed better, sometimes not. However, being out of a cage, or whatever other benefits you perceive from free range chickens, is not going to prevent the transmission of salmonella that is contained in the feed.

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I completely agree with you. Not only that, but the farming industry has become just that, an industry. There are hardly any independent farming families anymore, and most farmers are forced to buy equipment from their company that keeps them in debt and forced to work for them. Our livestock is raised in unsanitary conditions, our farmers are abused, and the farming companies ultimately make big dollars at the expense of our health, food quality, and the lives of farmers. If you haven't seen it yet, watch Food Inc. It was a real eye opener for me and I think you would enjoy the documentary.


Typically they are fed better, and they are free roaming, not standing around. No one promises that the cage free chickens are salmonella free, but they are far less likely to have it. Studies have shown that free roaming chickens produce healthier eggs. Caged chickens are raised with almost no space for them. Many die, and their dead bodies are left rotting on the ground until a farmer can pick it out and remove it.

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They die in their cages and then rot on the ground? Got a link to any of those "studies" ?
Fact is, to provide eggs in the quantities that the public demands, caged chickens is the only way to go. Otherwise, the chicken ranch would have to be substantially larger. And the farmers would have to hire thousands of illegal aliens to go on a massive easter egg hunt all day every day....

Yes, why not vaccinate our eggs? That would be right in line with everything else.

1) Massive antibiotics in our meat.

2) Hormones in our meat and milk.

3) Recombinant DNA gene splices in our farmed salmon.

4) Roundup ready genetically modified corn.

5) Cereals fortified with sugar, sugar, sugar.

6) Vitamins added to vegetables to make up for the vitamins leeched out during processing.

7) Preservatives added to just about everything. One preservative is the same ingredient used in antifreeze.

8) Animals crammed into spaces so small that they literally wallow in their own crap.

9) Water with traces of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, and other noxious materials.

10) 2,000 calorie hamburgers at the local fast food places.

And there is much more. So let me ask you a question, but first, take a look around and see all the fat people, the young boys who are growing boobs, all the hyperactive kids with ADS, the rampant cancer and heart attacks, and the generally unhealthy. Now the question - With all the crap that is being put into our food, you don't somehow see a connection?

So whose fault is it? The corporate farmers who are doing whatever it takes to maximize their profits? No, it isn't. The fault lies with the American people, who won't take the time to look for healthier choices, and healthier choices are out there, and right in front of our noses. All we have to do is stop purchasing our food out of laziness, and do what our grandmothers and grandfathers did - Buy free range meats and raw vegetables at the local co-ops, and then invest in some pots and pans instead of throwing containers of chemicals into the microwave.

There is something else about the junk we eat that is called food. It is addictive, and it is addictive because of all the sugar and chemicals that are being added to them. Breaking the addiction to fast food and junk food is no different than breaking the addiction to alcohol, cigarettes, or even heroin. It's called cold turkey. You will have cravings for a while, but eventually, they will go away, and then you will be preparing meals that even a skid row wino, in the final stages of malnutrition, might take a passing interest in. And there is an added bonus - You will live longer, and that life will be one of quality, not spent in a rest home, with drool running down your face. What's not to like about that? But first, you must like yourself enough to treat yourself like a human being instead of just a dollar sign, because that is exactly what the food corporations see you as. They don't give a damn if you get sick, just as long as you keep spending your money on them. YOU are the one who is going to have to give a damn. I give a damn because, damn it, I am worth it.

Here's a big, fat middle finger to the factory farming corporations. Go find yourselves another sucker, sucka'. :mrgreen:

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MrVicchio said:

Dude. Gov't can't save you from every danger in life. So there was an outbreak, the food got recalled, end of story. The waste of resources, the cost and the possibility of success for this "vaccination" program... is it really worth it? Will it really protect folks?

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By the same token, maybe we shouldn't have all those awful safety standards like seat belts and cars that don't detonate on impac, because you can just learn how to drive properly!

**** happens. It's not about the government "saving us from every danger in life." That's just more partisan bull****. It's about risk management. If it's cheap and easy to reduce a particular risk, why not do it? Some of us aren't terrified of every regulation ever passed.

Deuce said:

By the same token, maybe we shouldn't have all those awful safety standards like seat belts and cars that don't detonate on impac, because you can just learn how to drive properly!

**** happens. It's not about the government "saving us from every danger in life." That's just more partisan bull****. It's about risk management. If it's cheap and easy to reduce a particular risk, why not do it? Some of us aren't terrified of every regulation ever passed.

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No - there *are* safety standards in place.
They were not upheld and were not met.
Hundreds got sick
Food was recalled.
Do you know the history of food-standards? They're THERE for a reason - yes, there will always be risks and possible problems but that's why pat of 'the system' INCLUDES testing the product to try to nail down a problem before it becomes *widespread*

BUT instead of protecting people - they are trying to fudge over on THEIR mistake and sell the product anyway so they don't lose money.

If they didn't want to lose money they shouldn't have ****ED UP to begin with.

A small batch with salmonella getting through - and discovered EARLY and halted QUICKLY is smart and evidence of the system working. But millions and millions of eggs = thousands and thousands of infected chickens = no one did their jobs right.

I refuse to be FORCED to take risks with it - at the store, look at the package, is this a "previously contaminated but we think we've vaccinated *the egg* and so it's safe for your consumption, now" egg or is this an egg that's been squared away and deemed SAFE because it's hen wasn't infected?

This whole thing is stupid and shouldn't BE this widespread and out of control.

I don't give a **** if my next carton of eggs costs me $5.00 - I don't want them to recycle BAD EGGS and try to slip them to me.

UtahBill said:

2 halfwits don't make a whole wit.....:2razz:

Practicallly everythling we eat starts out dirty...gets harvested dirty, gets processed dirty, and so on. No matter how much food processors try to keep it clean, there is still a risk of contamination. But there is a way to safely consume our food, it is called COOKING it.....

There has always been one very important ingredient that we must add when preparing our food, and that is common sense.

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Fine. But I like to know where my food comes from. Just from switching to a diet that is more locally based over the last year, I've lost about 10 pounds without signifcatnly altering the types of food I eat. I still enjoy a steak every now and again. I just know where the cow lived before it was slaughtered.

And yeh, I suppose not everyone can afford to eat like that. But it sucks that all of the worst food in this nation is the cheapest. How is it that a cooked cheeseburger (and by that, I mean a cow was raised, another one provided diary, there were cucumbers raised to make pickles, there were onions harvested) cheaper than one head of broccoli?

Answer - farm subsidies that lead to cheap-ass fake food being made and served to people.

You know, for instance, that cows aren't meant to eat grains, right? They're meant to eat grasses and clover. But, because we feed them grains, we have to give them antibiotics because they're more likely to get sick (from eating a diet of foods they're not meant to eat). Then, to further make sure they don't pass their sickness on to us, we treat the slaughtered meat with ammonia until it turns a nice murky gray color. Then, we ship that out to just about every fast food restaurant in America and call it hamburger.

Only about 25% of remaining farms are family-owned. Thanks to ****ty farm subsidies, 75% of our food is created on gigantic industrial farms.

And what's happened as a result? Our food today has much lower levels of nutrients.
Foods Today Have Much Less Nutrition Than In The Past! | Health For You

Why does this matter? It means that our bodies need to take in more calories to get proper levels of nutrients. If we constantly eat low-nutrient food, our bodies are going to continue craving more and more. And if people want to eat crap, it's their choice. I choose not to.

Aunt Spiker said:

No - there *are* safety standards in place.
They were not upheld and were not met.
Hundreds got sick
Food was recalled.
Do you know the history of food-standards? They're THERE for a reason - yes, there will always be risks and possible problems but that's why pat of 'the system' INCLUDES testing the product to try to nail down a problem before it becomes *widespread*

BUT instead of protecting people - they are trying to fudge over on THEIR mistake and sell the product anyway so they don't lose money.

If they didn't want to lose money they shouldn't have ****ED UP to begin with.

A small batch with salmonella getting through - and discovered EARLY and halted QUICKLY is smart and evidence of the system working. But millions and millions of eggs = thousands and thousands of infected chickens = no one did their jobs right.

I refuse to be FORCED to take risks with it - at the store, look at the package, is this a "previously contaminated but we think we've vaccinated *the egg* and so it's safe for your consumption, now" egg or is this an egg that's been squared away and deemed SAFE because it's hen wasn't infected?

This whole thing is stupid and shouldn't BE this widespread and out of control.

I don't give a **** if my next carton of eggs costs me $5.00 - I don't want them to recycle BAD EGGS and try to slip them to me.

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You should probably re-read my post in context of the one I was replying too, and be aware of the sarcastic tone

Deuce said:

By the same token, maybe we shouldn't have all those awful safety standards like seat belts and cars that don't detonate on impac, because you can just learn how to drive properly!

**** happens. It's not about the government "saving us from every danger in life." That's just more partisan bull****. It's about risk management. If it's cheap and easy to reduce a particular risk, why not do it? Some of us aren't terrified of every regulation ever passed.

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If it's about risk management - then just don't eat eggs, handle eggs, or buy eggs. Don't advocate making this a tax payer problem by passing a law that requires funding and spending money on a bull**** law, because people get sick. People get sick every day. The last thing we need is more chemicals to be pumped into our systems because some people like to eat semi cooked eggs or do not know how to properly handle raw food. Some of us use common sense and know a stupid proposal when we see one.

digsbe said:

Typically they are fed better, and they are free roaming, not standing around. No one promises that the cage free chickens are salmonella free, but they are far less likely to have it. Studies have shown that free roaming chickens produce healthier eggs. Caged chickens are raised with almost no space for them. Many die, and their dead bodies are left rotting on the ground until a farmer can pick it out and remove it.

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There are studies that show the opposite. If the free range hens are roaming in an area where the environment itself is not all that great, the resulting eggs can cause an increased risk of cancer.

filmfestguy said:

this is why i already spend the extra for local farm-raised, cage-free, natural nest eggs.

Yeah. I could spend $1 per carton and risk salmonella. Or i could spend an extra $1.50 a week to completely be (mostly) worry-free from such concerns.

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this.......

I have eaten eggs that were so old that they were starting to turn green....didn't get sick.
That was on a submarine nearing the end of a 2 month cruise, and the eggs were stored in a cool place, but not a refrigerated space.
COOKING is the cure for a lot of potential problems. Those eggs were served up DONE, you got no choice in the matter...
Taste was just a little off, tho....
Had a similar experience years later when stationed at GTMO, Cuba. We didn't get the freshest food delivered to us. Pizza mix had weevil in it, Wheaties were beyond expiration date, etc...