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Beck, Palin Stress 'Honor' at Rally

Why not? They just sat down and shut up when Bush was doing it. Not only that, but they called those who didn't sit down and shup up anti American.


I see Dan. So half the country should just tune out and let this guy run rampant eh? I thought the mantra of people like you during the Bush days was that single majority government doesn't work? Now that changes because you drank the Obamanation kool aid.

And I would say that it was "anti American" for Pelosi to visit Assad in 2006 along with Lantos, and Slaughter to undermine the POTUS, and against the wishes of that President during a time of war, and during that visit send her minions to meet with the PKK to stir up strife along the Turkish border in hopes of cutting off supplies to American troops....Yes "anti American" and in my opinion Treason.

I would say that it was "anti American" to do everything possible including leveling charges of "cold blooded murder" against our own troops, and then refuse to apologize for that rhetoric when proven wrong on all counts.

I would say that it is "anti American" to stand on the floor of the congress and accuse our troops of acting like "Pol Pot, or in a fashion reminiscent of Nazi's, or Soviet gulags"

And I would say it is "anti American" to stand by and watch any administration try to "fundamentally change" this country in Cloward Piven fashion into something which this country is not, and against the will of the people.

Shall I continue? Obama said he was the President of all the people.....Just another lie. And you support it....In order to save your dignity sir, change your affiliation.


j-mac
 
Tim that is not happening. it is more fear mongering than anything else. there is really nohting new going on. Factually, the line is still there and has not really been pushed back much. Like I said, there are a few areas of concern, of debate, but not a tearing down of the wall completely. And depending on court case outcomes, maybe even less of those. I wouldn't listen too much to disingeuous talking heads or the disjoined and inaccurate tea party movement, but seek factual information.

Boo.. You seem reasonable, however, please don't insult my intelligence. I've never in my life seen such a division in the American people. It's not just about Obama winning, it's not about any fear mongering, it is real. The people are more divided now than in any other time in our contemporary history. They are mad as hell at Washington, the deals, the pork, the none sense, and they are mad at both democrats and republicans. We're sick of the backroom reach arounds, and the mocking of the American people. We're sick of unfettered entitlement spending, greasing the pockets, pandering.. Hell you name it pal. I can't think of one thing I like about our Federal government, not one!


Tim-
 
Why not? They just sat down and shut up when Bush was doing it. Not only that, but they called those who didn't sit down and shup up anti American.

Well, the Patriot Act is at least the responsibility of the American Federal Government. So like it or not, they are within their role to do it. I also feel it was necessary, and I have not criticised Bush, nor have I Obama for keeping it, pretty much in place. If you have a better suggestion for our security, please enlighten us all?


Tim-
 
Well, the Patriot Act is at least the responsibility of the American Federal Government. So like it or not, they are within their role to do it. I also feel it was necessary, and I have not criticised Bush, nor have I Obama for keeping it, pretty much in place. If you have a better suggestion for our security, please enlighten us all?


Tim-


he doesn't....Just the usual faux swipe from a faux conservative. I get the feeling that Dan is the sort that phones in to C-SPAN Wash Journal on the conservative line, just to take shots at conservatives.


j-mac
 
Well, the Patriot Act is at least the responsibility of the American Federal Government. So like it or not, they are within their role to do it. I also feel it was necessary, and I have not criticised Bush, nor have I Obama for keeping it, pretty much in place. If you have a better suggestion for our security, please enlighten us all?


Tim-


he doesn't....Just the usual faux swipe from a faux conservative. I get the feeling that Dan is the sort that phones in to C-SPAN Wash Journal on the conservative line, just to take shots at conservatives.


j-mac
 
Boo.. You seem reasonable, however, please don't insult my intelligence. I've never in my life seen such a division in the American people. It's not just about Obama winning, it's not about any fear mongering, it is real. The people are more divided now than in any other time in our contemporary history. They are mad as hell at Washington, the deals, the pork, the none sense, and they are mad at both democrats and republicans. We're sick of the backroom reach arounds, and the mocking of the American people. We're sick of unfettered entitlement spending, greasing the pockets, pandering.. Hell you name it pal. I can't think of one thing I like about our Federal government, not one!


Tim-

Well said.

Something big is coming. HUGE. People are on a slow burn, and they're watching closely through 2012. If a bunch of this nonsense doesn't stop, you're going to see genuine anti-government movements coming from the MAJORITY of the people, not just the fringe. Already, seemingly sane people are speaking in tones of secession. Arizona is taking the federal law into its own hands. Other states are lining up to do the same as Arizona.

Big, big happenings are in the offing.
 
Well, the Patriot Act is at least the responsibility of the American Federal Government. So like it or not, they are within their role to do it. I also feel it was necessary, and I have not criticised Bush, nor have I Obama for keeping it, pretty much in place. If you have a better suggestion for our security, please enlighten us all?


Tim-

The Patriot Act was nothing but a present to incompetent government thugs and their allies who were asleep at the switch on 9/11. We can defend our values without giving more power to the state.
 
Boo.. You seem reasonable, however, please don't insult my intelligence. I've never in my life seen such a division in the American people. It's not just about Obama winning, it's not about any fear mongering, it is real. The people are more divided now than in any other time in our contemporary history. They are mad as hell at Washington, the deals, the pork, the none sense, and they are mad at both democrats and republicans. We're sick of the backroom reach arounds, and the mocking of the American people. We're sick of unfettered entitlement spending, greasing the pockets, pandering.. Hell you name it pal. I can't think of one thing I like about our Federal government, not one!


Tim-

It seems disingenuous to some of us though, because we were pointing out the same things to a lot of you when it was happening under Bush and Cheney's watch and you seemed to like it.

Seriously, where were you all when Cheney held secret meetings with energy CEOs and then blocked the notes citing Executive Privilege - then later, claiming his office wasn't part of the Executive Branch?

I would buy it from you if I felt it was truly bipartisan.

You know, I talked with a friend that if we really wanted to show them something, we would reach across party lines and we would agree that those of us who live in districts that are so dominated by one party all the time would throw that party out of office. In other words, let's reverse EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT in the nation. I would be perfectly fine with Republicans gaining control of Congress for a couple of years if it meant that someone like Dan Burton (he's been ensconced for 20 years from Indiana) was thrown out, too.

But what's going to happen is that a few tight districts are going to flip and those who benefit from the gerrymandering process will remain in office continuing to grift the American people and choose their successor because they know their seat's going to be there forever for their party.

So, that's why I'm skeptical. I'm not skeptical of the anger - because I've been feeling it long before there was a Tea Party. I'm just skeptical of how it's being directed.
 
The Patriot Act was nothing but a present to incompetent government thugs and their allies who were asleep at the switch on 9/11. We can defend our values without giving more power to the state.


Agreed, but at this point, the question is how do we dismantle what has been built for decades.


j-mac
 
It seems disingenuous to some of us though, because we were pointing out the same things to a lot of you when it was happening under Bush and Cheney's watch and you seemed to like it.

Seriously, where were you all when Cheney held secret meetings with energy CEOs and then blocked the notes citing Executive Privilege - then later, claiming his office wasn't part of the Executive Branch?

I would buy it from you if I felt it was truly bipartisan.

Oh come on now. Look FFG, I have known you for some time now, and on occasion we have even had productive discussions. But if Conservatives are expected to just close their eyes while a demo President and Congress runs roughshod over the people, and the Justification is "well, you did it too", sorry, that's just not good enough.

I wouldn't/didn't except that from my kids when they were small, and I don't expect it from adults.


j-mac
 
Agreed, but at this point, the question is how do we dismantle what has been built for decades.


j-mac

We split them up. My Aunt was an INS Agent in Puerto Rico for years before 9/11 happend and as you know the INS was conslidated into DHS. Allowing airports to be in charge of their own security, therefore those who support racial profile and beatdowns of those who dont "comply" can support the airports who do such things. Im off to work Ill answer this more in depth when I get back.
 
The Patriot Act was nothing but a present to incompetent government thugs and their allies who were asleep at the switch on 9/11. We can defend our values without giving more power to the state.

Yeah all those lawsuits and such reported of the abuses of the Patriot act fill up my inbox everyday.. :)


Tim-
 
We split them up. My Aunt was an INS Agent in Puerto Rico for years before 9/11 happend and as you know the INS was conslidated into DHS. Allowing airports to be in charge of their own security, therefore those who support racial profile and beatdowns of those who dont "comply" can support the airports who do such things. Im off to work Ill answer this more in depth when I get back.


I look forward to it, have a good day at work.

Oh, just something to ponder while there. What airports are you speaking of? I haven't seen any "beatdowns" or profiling going on. In fact that we search Granny, and let Ahmed through unquestioned, is proof of just the opposite isn't it?


j-mac
 
The truth that you stereotype?

Oh, Joe doesn't know who liberals are, but has "Liberal" as his affiliation? LOL....good one....BTW, don't go down that disingenuous path of knowing misrepresentation Boop, you are better than that I hope.


j-mac
 
It seems disingenuous to some of us though, because we were pointing out the same things to a lot of you when it was happening under Bush and Cheney's watch and you seemed to like it.

Seriously, where were you all when Cheney held secret meetings with energy CEOs and then blocked the notes citing Executive Privilege - then later, claiming his office wasn't part of the Executive Branch?

I would buy it from you if I felt it was truly bipartisan.

You know, I talked with a friend that if we really wanted to show them something, we would reach across party lines and we would agree that those of us who live in districts that are so dominated by one party all the time would throw that party out of office. In other words, let's reverse EVERY SINGLE DISTRICT in the nation. I would be perfectly fine with Republicans gaining control of Congress for a couple of years if it meant that someone like Dan Burton (he's been ensconced for 20 years from Indiana) was thrown out, too.

But what's going to happen is that a few tight districts are going to flip and those who benefit from the gerrymandering process will remain in office continuing to grift the American people and choose their successor because they know their seat's going to be there forever for their party.

So, that's why I'm skeptical. I'm not skeptical of the anger - because I've been feeling it long before there was a Tea Party. I'm just skeptical of how it's being directed.

Fair enough, but I think, notwithstanding a few rotten eggs, myself included, we all agree with you. Kick em all out.


Tim-
 
Oh come on now. Look FFG, I have known you for some time now, and on occasion we have even had productive discussions. But if Conservatives are expected to just close their eyes while a demo President and Congress runs roughshod over the people, and the Justification is "well, you did it too", sorry, that's just not good enough.

I wouldn't/didn't except that from my kids when they were small, and I don't expect it from adults.


j-mac

It's not a "you did it, too" argument.

It's a "where were you?" argument?

The anger I hear expressed is identical to some of the things we were saying back then. And you all seemed fine with it.

Do you deny that Cheney held back-room meetings with energy CEO's and then blocked the notes citing privilege?

Why can't this be uniting those of us who are pissed off about government instead of just being anti-Obama and defend Bush?

Do you deny that we share some anger in common with Congress? Do you deny that, despite our political differences, we have equal complaints that government has become to distant from the governed?

Why, then, can't we create a movement that is truly bi-partisan. Why can't we ignore our differences long enough just to bring government back to ourselves. At that point, then we can go back to our partisan bickering.

Hell, I've been yelled at because I said I would create a tax strategy that - if a company created enough jobs, their effective tax rate could be 0% - and was then called a communist for it. What the hell?

And thanks for the chance to have a few words with someone with whom I can furiously disagree but do respect. That's becoming very rare around here.
 
Wow...so you're judging Jesse Jackson and throwing him in jail, why? Because you find his character lacking? Who gets the right to throw people in jail just because of they lack character? What crimes can you prove that these two men committed so that you may throw them in jail?

I believe that Beck has even less character and is nothing more than a charlatan taking people's money the same way Jimmy Swaggert bilked religious people for millions. I've still said he deserves the right to do that since it's technically not illegal.

So, your way of "restoring honor" in America is rounding up those you disagree with and throwing them in jail?

Sounds about like what a Beck believer would say.

Jackson and Sharpton have character? What crime did Beck commit?
 
Jackson and Sharpton have character? What crime did Beck commit?

All the crimes Beck has committed are not on the books (thus far).

He's no angel. And you all know it. You just keep drinking the koolaid. :D
 
You just painted an entire race out to be poor, on welfare, drug addicts, alcoholics, and murderers and claim that you support and understand the Civil Rights Movement? Really?

This discussion is pretty much done.

No, you just did that. He never said all blacks were poor and on welfare.
 
Jackson and Sharpton have character? What crime did Beck commit?

Why are people suggesting that we lock up those we disagree with? I wasn't suggesting that Beck be arrested. Someone (and it was so long ago, I forget who) suggested that Jackson and Sharpton should be arrested because they judged them to lack character.

You think Sharpton and Jackson suck. Fine. But jail them? Really? That's how you're going to "restore honor"? Tossing people away because you don't like them much?
 
All the crimes Beck has committed are not on the books (thus far).

He's no angel. And you all know it. You just keep drinking the koolaid. :D

Most of the comments from you I see on this forum are one or two lines of text. Do you ever say anything important?

Tim-
 
If you believe any of that, then I understand why you would buy the foolish conspiracy theories of Beck and his gasbag ilk.

"We dishonor ourselves when we declare the rights and freedoms of our fellow citizens to be conditional, and subject to our needs." - says the person who votes to take away marriage rights from gays in California.

"Where is the honor In shrieking that people who disagree with your politics are “interchangeable with the KKK?” says the person supporting a rally hosted by a man who called the President racist, and said that he hates his mother and grandparents and compares the president to Hitler.

"We have not diminished into timid weaklings, unworthy of the trust of our ruling class." says the person who has been and strives to be a part of the ruling class.

Can't you see that every single criticism levied here is just as easily levied against those who gathered there. The only thing is that you voted the other way in 2008. This is politics and nothing more.
Dick Durbin compared our soldiers at Gitmo to Nazis. Speaking of taking away rights, how about the right to the fruits of YOUR OWN labors. You would have ordinary taxpayers pay more in taxes so you can spread the wealth.
 
It's not a "you did it, too" argument.

It's a "where were you?" argument?

Same damned thing in my opinion.


The anger I hear expressed is identical to some of the things we were saying back then. And you all seemed fine with it.

Except that now that it is demo doing it, the argument from you is 'where were you when Bush was doing it' That is irrelevant now. Bush is no longer in control. So what you are saying is that you only have a problem with it if it is your political opposition doing it.

Do you deny that Cheney held back-room meetings with energy CEO's and then blocked the notes citing privilege?

Nope, I think that liberals blew those meetings out of proportion, but no one is saying that they didn't happen....So do you deny that Obama is having back door meetings with the banking industry, and Big Labor and not making those public?

Why can't this be uniting those of us who are pissed off about government instead of just being anti-Obama and defend Bush?

Because those defending Obama are constantly using Bush as the distraction.

Do you deny that we share some anger in common with Congress? Do you deny that, despite our political differences, we have equal complaints that government has become to distant from the governed?

Not at all. You should have gone to the rally, that is what it was about.

Why, then, can't we create a movement that is truly bi-partisan. Why can't we ignore our differences long enough just to bring government back to ourselves. At that point, then we can go back to our partisan bickering.

We have....Join us.

Hell, I've been yelled at because I said I would create a tax strategy that - if a company created enough jobs, their effective tax rate could be 0% - and was then called a communist for it. What the hell?

Lot's of people are yelling past each other today...I am guilty as well.

And thanks for the chance to have a few words with someone with whom I can furiously disagree but do respect. That's becoming very rare around here.

right back at ya guy. :peace


j-mac
 
Most of the comments from you I see on this forum are one or two lines of text. Do you ever say anything important?

Tim-


Oops! Sorry if there was any confusion there, j-mac. And thanks for the above.
 
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