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Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

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I used to have a buddy that ran an emissions inspection place.
He told me to run a bottle of rubbing alcohol through the tank, that should get you to pass the inspection.
(disclaimer: I've never done it, so I don't know what will actually happen.)

Thank goodness the place I live doesn't require that stupid crap.

Not to rain on your parade..... most gas sold in the US already has 15% alcohol right out of the pump.

Try Seafoam.
 
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How do you stop the government from doing this when both parties are in support of it? If your vote can't change it then what does the average person do?

Shoot to kill.
 
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I feel the same way and as someone mentioned, if you have a cell phone on your person they can track you that way..... they can also listen in on any phone anywhere whether it's in your pocket or in your home.

My wife and I would bore them to death.

A bigger concern to all of you paranoids should be all of the surveillance cameras and “face recognition software”.
yep, theyd be bored to death by us too. o...m...g....shes at dollar general again! that commie establishment has to go!
 
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That's an easy one to fix. Disconnect battery, find black box, open with screwdriver, remove circuitry, reconnect battery, start car, flip off government officials.

As for cell phones, simply remove the battery if you don't want to be tracked.
 
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How do you stop the government from doing this when both parties are in support of it? If your vote can't change it then what does the average person do?

With guns.
 
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As for cell phones, simply remove the battery if you don't want to be tracked.
Absolutely, or just turn it completely off.
 
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I find this part of the article interesting

This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

I can agree with the first part, there is no reasonable expectation of privacy on my driveway. Fine. If I go out naked, people may see me and I can get in trouble for that. I understand that. But I don't think the second part follows from the first. I think that I have very reasonable expectation that the government is not tracking my movements without obtaining proper warrants first. There's a lot of changes in society and technology. I mean, Google Maps has shown how much "privacy" we actually have. But despite the fact that this becomes possible over time I don't think lends itself to allowing the government a free hand. So there's Google Earth, it can see our houses. I think the government should be BARRED from ever using it. Google Earth is not admissible in court. And we can do it with every bit of technology that comes up in that manner. The government still needs warrants, the government still must prove its case in court. None of this should ever change.
 
Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars - CNN.com

Law enforcement officers may secretly place a GPS device on a person's car without seeking a warrant from a judge, according to a recent federal appeals court ruling in California.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

and they just blew that off?? unbelievable, not to mention the DEA is probably gonna use this to mainly bust harmless Marijuana growers. Our forefathers must be turning in their graves.
 
Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars - CNN.com



The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

and they just blew that off?? unbelievable, not to mention the DEA is probably gonna use this to mainly bust harmless Marijuana growers. Our forefathers must be turning in their graves.
The court-devised exceptions to the Fourth Amendment have all but devoured the rule.
 
There are a lot of things we do now that would sicken our forefathers. None of them envisioned quite this expansive, strong, and power hunger government we currently have. They'd also probably be sickened by us, We the People, as we've turned into whining, crying babies unable to do anything for ourselves.

The forefathers didn't foresee a political party built soley around coddling and nurturing a massive bloc of co-dependent citizenry.
 
So, let's say I wanted to install a wide-spectrum jamming device in my car....
 
I understand that this strikes a chord with many people (and for obvious reasons), but there's a pretty strong argument for the court's decision.

Police officers don't need a warrant to follow your car everywhere it goes. If that's all that a GPS tracker does, how much more intrusive is it?

This is simply a case where technology has made it possible for the police to more efficiently do what they already have the authority to do. There are many legitimate arguments for why that's a bad thing, but I don't think it's cut and dried.
 
I understand that this strikes a chord with many people (and for obvious reasons), but there's a pretty strong argument for the court's decision.

Police officers don't need a warrant to follow your car everywhere it goes. If that's all that a GPS tracker does, how much more intrusive is it?

This is simply a case where technology has made it possible for the police to more efficiently do what they already have the authority to do. There are many legitimate arguments for why that's a bad thing, but I don't think it's cut and dried.

Could a citizen do it to a cop car though?
 
Could a citizen do it to a cop car though?

Even if they could, I believe the cops would be free to remove the tracker, just like these people would be if they found it.

I think that allowing people to track the movement of police cars raises public safety concerns of a type that don't really exist when the police track individuals. There's nothing more useful to a criminal than knowing where the police are at all times.

You raise a good point though.
 
Even if they could, I believe the cops would be free to remove the tracker, just like these people would be if they found it.

I think that allowing people to track the movement of police cars raises public safety concerns of a type that don't really exist when the police track individuals. There's nothing more useful to a criminal than knowing where the police are at all times.

You raise a good point though.

True, I just question the reasoning.
You're supposed to be secure in your "papers and effects" (I think that's how it's worded) and this would seem to conflict with that.
 
True, I just question the reasoning.
You're supposed to be secure in your "papers and effects" (I think that's how it's worded) and this would seem to conflict with that.

But the freedom is only from an "unreasonable search and seizure," which is pretty poorly defined. We're going to have to deal with issues like this more and more often in the future. I honestly don't know where we should draw the line.
 
But the freedom is only from an "unreasonable search and seizure," which is pretty poorly defined. We're going to have to deal with issues like this more and more often in the future. I honestly don't know where we should draw the line.

I think that putting something on a persons car, that isn't visible, would be considered some form of trespassing.
That is unreasonable without a warrant.

A flier for a restaurant or something similar, wouldn't qualify because it is in plain site.

I think the job of police should be hard, even if it goes against some amount of public safety.
 
I understand that this strikes a chord with many people (and for obvious reasons), but there's a pretty strong argument for the court's decision.

Police officers don't need a warrant to follow your car everywhere it goes. If that's all that a GPS tracker does, how much more intrusive is it?

Intrusive enough to necessitate a warrant. It's one thing if they're looking at me, it's another thing to use a series of satellites and tracking devices to locate me.

This is simply a case where technology has made it possible for the police to more efficiently do what they already have the authority to do. There are many legitimate arguments for why that's a bad thing, but I don't think it's cut and dried.

Technology is always going to expand, more and more things will be possible. Which is why we must be even more wary and diligent in our restriction of government force. I may not have expectation of privacy in my driveway, but the driveway is still mine; part of my property. I may not have expectation to complete privacy in my car; but that car is still mine. It's my property. I have every expectation that the government of all things respect my rights and liberties which include my property. I have every expectation that the government will not bug or track me without due process, without cause, and without warrant. Just because the technology exists doesn't mean that government gets a free hand with it.

What if, say, there were technology which could read people's thoughts. Proper for government to use without any notice, without any cause, without any proof of wrong doing? Or is it that as technology grows, our control and restrictions over government must grow with it?
 
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I feel the same way and as someone mentioned, if you have a cell phone on your person they can track you that way..... they can also listen in on any phone anywhere whether it's in your pocket or in your home.

My wife and I would bore them to death.

A bigger concern to all of you paranoids should be all of the surveillance cameras and “face recognition software”.

Watch out for over-ambitious agents over-reacting to otherwise normal situations. That, and survival politics, is the reason we're still in Afghanistan and Iraq.

ricksfolly
 
The forefathers didn't foresee a political party built soley around coddling and nurturing a massive bloc of co-dependent citizenry.

Nor did they foresee a massive standing army that takes up more than half of the government's budget.
 
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