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Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

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FilmFestGuy said:
So, when Coretta Scott King read her husband's speech, thanking Margaret Sanger for her work in implementing family planning, you're suggesting that he was also in favor of killing off blacks as an inferior race? Or could it be that he believed that family planning could be good for black Americans?

Cristina Page's Blog: Martin Luther King Jr. and Margaret Sanger: Allies

Or is this about you hating the freedom that women gained from effective birth control? Some of her views were wrong, yes. So were some of George Washington's with regard to blacks. It doesn't negate the positive things they did for our nation.

Yours is what we call black-and-white thinking. Look it up.
Cognitive Distortion: How Does Black-and-White Thinking Hurt Us? | World of Psychology
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No, I'm not saying that Martin Luther King was in favor of using eugenics on blacks, but one just has to wonder why he would actually do that. Was it ignorance, or complicity?

In A Plan for Peace (1932), for example, Sanger proposed a congressional department to:

Keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.[21]

And, following:

Apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.


Margaret Sanger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Sound like a "Liberal", to you?
 
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Redress said:
You made a direct statement of fact, obviously you can prove yourself right.

Wiki disagrees with you, and every source I have looked at disagrees with you. Since you have not offered a single bit of evidence to back up your wild claim, I think it pretty much conclusively shows that you are, once again, wrong.
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You made a direct statement calling me a liar and ignorant. It should be no problem for you to embaress me with your brilliance and knowledge. Go for it.
 
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apdst said:
You made a direct statement calling me a liar and ignorant. It should be no problem for you to embaress me with your brilliance and knowledge. Go for it.
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Here: Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Progressivism is a political attitude favoring or advocating changes or reform. Progressivism is often viewed in opposition to conservative or reactionary ideologies. The Progressive Movement began in cities with settlement workers and reformers who were interested in helping those facing harsh conditions at home and at work. The reformers spoke out about the need for laws regulating tenement housing and child labor. They also called for better working conditions for women.

In the United States, the term progressivism emerged in the late 19th century into the 20th century in reference to a more general response to the vast changes brought by industrialization: an alternative to both the traditional conservative response to social and economic issues and to the various more radical streams of socialism and anarchism which opposed them. Political parties, such as the Progressive Party, organized at the start of the 20th century, and progressivism made great strides under American presidents Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and Lyndon Baines Johnson [1].

Despite being associated with left-wing politics in the United States, the term "progressive" has occasionally been used by groups not particularly left-wing. The Progressive Democrats in the Republic of Ireland took the name "progressivism" despite being considered centre-right or classical liberal. The European Progressive Democrats was a mainly heterogeneous political group in the European Union. For most of the period from 1942–2003, the largest conservative party in Canada was the Progressive Conservative Party.
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The ball is now firmly in your court. back up your claim.
 
People are still pouring in to Sharptons March. I wonder if they're from Glenn's rally? That would be cool.. except
Sharpton's people and even one of our congresswomen have been on stage bad mouthing Glenn. :-(
 
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apdst said:
You made a direct statement calling me a liar and ignorant. It should be no problem for you to embaress me with your brilliance and knowledge. Go for it.
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You're a rapist. I don't have to prove my statement, if I'm a liar surely you can prove me wrong?

It's a fact. Apdst is a rapist.
 
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apdst said:
No, I'm not saying that Martin Luther King was in favor of using eugenics on blacks, but one just has to wonder why he would actually do that. Was it ignorance, or complicity?



Sound like a "Liberal", to you?
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No, actually she doesn't. She sounds like a lot of the people in the immigration debate today, honestly.
 
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Redress said:
Here: Progressivism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The ball is now firmly in your court. back up your claim.
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Notta problem.

Prominently with President Theodore Roosevelt and through the 20th century's first years, the Progressive Movement came into view with its belief in “the perfectability of man, and in an open society where mankind was neither chained to the past nor condemned to a deterministic future; one which people were capable of changing their condition for better or worse.”

The Socialist Party was included within the Progressive Movement. The party dealt with American problems in an American manner. Unlike the Communist Party, the Socialist Party at that time felt no obligation to adhere to an international party line. For example, socialists and other progressives campaigned at the local level for municipal ownership of waterworks, gas and electric plants, and made good progress in such endeavors. In 1911, there were 18 Socialist candidates for mayor, and they nearly won the Cleveland, Ohio, and Los Angeles, California, mayoral races.

Socialism in America
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So can anyone give me a synopsis of the event? I've been out all day, and I'm interested in hearing about what happened.

As unbiased as possible please.
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
No, actually she doesn't. She sounds like a lot of the people in the immigration debate today, honestly.
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If you call someone a liar, you better damned well be able to produce some docs proving so. She tried and failed. I'll give her kudos for trying, though.
 
Your Star said:
So can anyone give me a synopsis of the event? I've been out all day, and I'm interested in hearing about what happened.

As unbiased as possible please.
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One helluva-lotta people showed up.
 
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apdst said:
You called me a liar. Obviously, you can prove that I'm wrong.
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Good Lord, the sharks are circling here and all against you. It is like a cult following as no one is ever going to convince a liberal they are wrong, they are just too arrogant to admit it.

As Grant stated, liberals change their name whenever it suits them or whenever they believe they can get public support. They wore out the term liberal so that around 20% now call themselves liberal so they had to try something else, thus the word progressive. Couldn't agree more with you that Communists and Marxists believe themselves to be Progressive but regardless of what they call themselves their ideology is a total and complete failure as evidenced by the results today.

Amazing how the countries of Europe see the errors of their ways and are changing but the arrogant liberals are ignoring that as they implement the European socialist model here.
 
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apdst said:
Notta problem.
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And you fail. Your own source quite clearly states that Socialists where part of the larger Progressive movement. Further, if you had followed the link in your very own source, the one labeled Progressive Movement, you would have read this:

Progressivism was also imbued with strong political overtones and rejected the church as the driving force for change. Specific goals included:

# The desire to remove corruption and undue influence from government through the taming of bosses and political machines;
# the effort to include more people more directly in the political process;
# the conviction that government must play a role to solve social problems and establish fairness in economic matters.
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Note a lack of the use of the words "Socialist", "fascist", or "communist".
 
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apdst said:
Notta problem.
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Okay, it's called reading comprehension, and I suppose I'll have to give you a lesson in it:

"The socialist party was included within the Progressive Movement."

Here's what that says: There's a Progressive Movement and SOME OF THEM are members of the Socialist Party.

And with this sentence ("Unlike the Communist Party, the Socialist Party...") following the previous one, the author is telling you that the Communist Party wasn't a part of the Progressive Movement. That sentence further goes on to point out that American Socialists (of the time, keep in mind this was oh, 100 years ago or so) weren't beholden to international parties and were adapting it to suit American needs.

So, can you honestly say that this proves your point that Progressives are all fascists, socialists, or communists - when it clearly doesn't say that at all? Further, how does it prove your false assertion that Progressives are fascists, when fascism doesn't come up at all?

You've proven nothing, except that you're given to generalizations about people you don't understand.
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
Okay, it's called reading comprehension, and I suppose I'll have to give you a lesson in it:

"The socialist party was included within the Progressive Movement."

Here's what that says: There's a Progressive Movement and SOME OF THEM are members of the Socialist Party.

And with this sentence ("Unlike the Communist Party, the Socialist Party...") following the previous one, the author is telling you that the Communist Party wasn't a part of the Progressive Movement. That sentence further goes on to point out that American Socialists (of the time, keep in mind this was oh, 100 years ago or so) weren't beholden to international parties and were adapting it to suit American needs.

So, can you honestly say that this proves your point that Progressives are all fascists, socialists, or communists - when it clearly doesn't say that at all? Further, how does it prove your false assertion that Progressives are fascists, when fascism doesn't come up at all?

You've proven nothing, except that you're given to generalizations about people you don't understand.
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What is the difference between a liberal and a progressive and why are liberals now calling themselves progressive?
 
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Redress said:
And you fail. Your own source quite clearly states that Socialists where part of the larger Progressive movement. Further, if you had followed the link in your very own source, the one labeled Progressive Movement, you would have read this:



Note a lack of the use of the words "Socialist", "fascist", or "communist".
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# the conviction that government must play a role to solve social problems and establish fairness in economic matters.
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That has socialist/communist philosophy written all over it. Don't the socialists/communists support the government salving social problems and redistributing wealth?
 
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apdst said:
That has socialist/communist philosophy written all over it. Don't the socialists/communists support the government salving social problems and redistributing wealth?
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No, actually it does not. That is simply spin.

Come on aspdt, prove your wild assed claim. You have not even remotely begun to. Hell, your source more proved you wrong than right.
 
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FilmFestGuy said:
Okay, it's called reading comprehension, and I suppose I'll have to give you a lesson in it:

"The socialist party was included within the Progressive Movement."

Here's what that says: There's a Progressive Movement and SOME OF THEM are members of the Socialist Party.

And with this sentence ("Unlike the Communist Party, the Socialist Party...") following the previous one, the author is telling you that the Communist Party wasn't a part of the Progressive Movement. That sentence further goes on to point out that American Socialists (of the time, keep in mind this was oh, 100 years ago or so) weren't beholden to international parties and were adapting it to suit American needs.

So, can you honestly say that this proves your point that Progressives are all fascists, socialists, or communists - when it clearly doesn't say that at all? Further, how does it prove your false assertion that Progressives are fascists, when fascism doesn't come up at all?

You've proven nothing, except that you're given to generalizations about people you don't understand.
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Donc's going to bash you for changing the goal post.

So, can you honestly say that this proves your point that Progressives are all fascists, socialists, or communists - when it clearly doesn't say that at all? Further, how does it prove your false assertion that Progressives are fascists, when fascism doesn't come up at all?
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Progressives supported eugenics. Now, let's see, who else proposed eugenics to cleanse the human race? Was it the Nazis? I think it was, huh? What you're talking about is called, "revisionist history".
 
donc said:
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And of course it’s a happy coincidence that the midterms are only a couple of months off.
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What does this rally have to do with the Midterm's, it was non political. This election will be on results, not a "restore honor" rally. The results do not favor the Democrat Party and a change in Congress is exactly what Obama needs. He doesn't know how to lead therefore won't have to get out of campaign mode and can then demonize Republicans. He is trying that already by calling Republicans the Party of "no" when it is his agenda that has been enacted and generated the results we see today, 15.8 million unemployed Americans, 3 trillion added to the debt and 1.6% economic growth.

By the way did you find that Clinton paydown of the debt you have been looking for?
 
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Redress said:
No, actually it does not. That is simply spin.

Come on aspdt, prove your wild assed claim. You have not even remotely begun to. Hell, your source more proved you wrong than right.
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So, I'm wrong, simply because Redress says so? She has her mod status and can call other posters ignorant and liars and she's right by default. Got it.

Just because you all belive the same false info, doesn't make you right.
 
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apdst said:
Donc's going to bash you for changing the goal post.



Progressives supported eugenics. Now, let's see, who else proposed eugenics to cleanse the human race? Was it the Nazis? I think it was, huh? What you're talking about is called, "revisionist history".
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So ****ing worthless. You can't prove ****, so stop trying. I'll give you this, through your complete inability to prove your worhtless generalizations about people, you've at least proven this to me. I said you were either lying or ill-informed.

At least now I know it's because you're ill-informed.
 
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apdst said:
So, I'm wrong, simply because Redress says so? She has her mod status and can call other posters ignorant and liars and she's right by default. Got it.

Just because you all belive the same false info, doesn't make you right.
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In other words you don,t have s*** eh?Do you have anymore opinions you would like to post?
 
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