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Glenn Beck rally will be a measure of the tea party's strength

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Redress said:
HAHAHHAHAHHAHA!

You want the real story? Our super sekret librul plot goes much further. We are working hard to turn the country over to the Chinese. We are working with the Bildeburg group, with whom we arranged the real estate collapse and subsequent recession so we could get more power so we could run the country so much further into debt until China owns a controlling interest in the US. Next step is in 2012, when on the eve of the election we announce that China is going to use it's controlling interest in the US to take over.
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oh great. i bet now it will be the obamawasactuallyborninchinanotkenya mantra. way to go. LOL. j/k!
 
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spud_meister said:
but where did it go?
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In brief, honor left when entitlements began. When people expected more from their government than they were willing to contribute, when Americans started thinking of themselves as Black Americans, White Americans, Asian Americans, Female Americans, and so on. It happened when group rights became more important than individual rights. It progressed with pork barrel economics, and the willingness of the press to become politicized rather then just reporting the facts.

And now it has reached the point where fellow Americans who disagree with what's happened to their country are called "Beckerheads" (and of course much worse) and the serious issues will be avoided. Insults have been substituted for honest give and take, and apparently thought to be an effective part of legitimate debate.

The Muslims building a Mosque where fellow Americans were incinerated get more respect than those who would want to bring Americans closer together. This goes beyond "honor" but into the destruction of what America once was and what it once represented. As far as I can tell there is little chance that America can be turned around. The ignorance, perpetuated by a few decades of successfully dumbing down of its citizenry through a corrupt education system and media, has paid off handsomely for those who support Big Brother policies.
 
Poll results are in!!

I took a small local poll (three neighbors and the FedEx guy)...

According to the respondents, America doesn't seem any more honorable this afternoon than it did before the Beck-kateers' circle jerk at the Lincoln Memorial. Go figger.

:shrug:
 
pbrauer said:
CNN briefly covered both Shapton and Beck's rallies, but they covered Bec's most. I didn't say I knew how many black faces there were, I said the only one I saw was the CNN reporter at the event. Does it matter? Not really, but interesting to say the least since Beck picked the exact date and place MLK gave his speech. And that Beck says he is reclaiming the Civil Rights movement.


What honor is being restored? Getting back to white presidents?
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kind of what i was wondering...whose honor? what honor? who lost it?
 
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Glinda said:
I took a small local poll (three neighbors and the FedEx guy)...

According to the poll, America doesn't seem any more honorable this afternoon than it did before the Beck-kateers' circle jerk at the Lincoln Memorial. Go figger.

:shrug:
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:shock: no way, you're kidding, i bet the people you polled were liberal plants (probably daffodils)
 
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justonemorevoice said:
what if you dont believe in god? (and plz dont get all fire and brimstone-y on me. i would like a real answer)
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This reply I will answer with pleasure.

I won't go all "fire and brimstone" on you, because I'm not a Christian, nor am I a religious person. What I am is a person that doesn't ignore history and uses common sense. Whether you believe in God or not, doesn't change the fact that that's the values America was founded upon. Those values created a country like no other in the history of the world.

You don't have to believe in God to see how that belief forged this great nation. For the last 40 years or so, we have watched the country slowly fall apart, as the anti-religion/anti-god sentiments have seeped into all branches of our government. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, just a person with simple common sense, to see that the more this nation has rejected religion, the worse off it's become. It all started to snow ball in the 60's and the results have been undeniable. We've watched the family unit dissolve, crime go through the roof, morality slip away and our government transform from a government working for the people, to a government dictating their will to the people. Americans used to be proud to forge their own futures and make their own way, but all that has changed. We have turned into a nation becoming more and more dependent on the government to provide for us.

It's time for this crap to stop. Whether you believe in god or not, we need to, as a nation, go back to embracing the values that made this nation great, not rejecting them like we have over the last 40+ years.

One nation under God was a successful, proud nation... One nation protected from God is destroying us.
 
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Thought the rally went well. Did a nice job of keeping the message politically neutral with the focus on spirituality and basic values. Can see where some may be less inspired by the message than others....but those directing insults at the event are puzzling at best. (in particular the posters that didn't even watch it)

Overall believe Beck and crew pulled things off pretty well. Upbeat message. Kept it above the political fray. And they picked a day with some great weather....!!


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Redress said:
Thank you for giving a strait answer. I would point out that based on that interpretation, it is a political rally.
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No, it wasn't a political rally. It was a call to the people to embrace the values that made this nation great.
 
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Grim17 said:
This reply I will answer with pleasure.

I won't go all "fire and brimstone" on you, because I'm not a Christian, nor am I a religious person. What I am is a person that doesn't ignore history and uses common sense. Whether you believe in God or not, doesn't change the fact that that's the values America was founded upon. Those values created a country like no other in the history of the world.

You don't have to believe in God to see how that belief forged this great nation. For the last 40 years or so, we have watched the country slowly fall apart, as the anti-religion/anti-god sentiments have seeped into all branches of our government. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, just a person with simple common sense, to see that the more this nation has rejected religion, the worse off it's become. It all started to snow ball in the 60's and the results have been undeniable. We've watched the family unit dissolve, crime go through the roof, morality slip away and our government transform from a government working for the people, to a government dictating their will to the people. Americans used to be proud to forge their own futures and make their own way, but all that has changed. We have turned into a nation becoming more and more dependent on the government to provide for us.

It's time for this crap to stop. Whether you believe in god or not, we need to, as a nation, go back to embracing the values that made this nation great, not rejecting them like we have over the last 40+ years.

One nation under God was a successful, proud nation... One nation protected from God is destroying us.
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now this i can more or less agree with since you didnt lay the blame on any one party. thanks for such a nice answer, too!
 
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august 28, 1963, steps of the memorial (exactly 10 months before mike mansfield broke the democrat filibuster of the civil rights act):

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith that I will go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day. And this will be the day, this will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with new meaning, "My country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the Pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring!" And if America is to be a great nation, this must become true.
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now, THERE'S a man of GOD

even more so, april 3, 1968 (the day before he was assassinated in memphis)

American Rhetoric: Martin Luther King, Jr. --  I've Been to the Mountaintop (April 3 1968)

(to capture the preacher's religiosity here would violate fair use dictates, it would take a dozen paragraphs to do justice)
 
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Glinda said:
I took a small local poll (three neighbors and the FedEx guy)...

According to the respondents, America doesn't seem any more honorable this afternoon than it did before the Beck-kateers' circle jerk at the Lincoln Memorial. Go figger.

:shrug:
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I certainly agree, Glinda.

It's too little too late.
 
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justonemorevoice said:
baloney, i can believe in declaring my independence without believing in god.
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Living in this country you have Freedom OF Religion but not Freedom FROM religion. You can choose to worship whoever or whatever you want and so do I. I worship God and that right is protected just like yours. To deny however that this country wasn't founded on Judeo Christian principles is simply false
 
Conservative said:
I wake up this morning and all I see is more of the same from you, rhetoric without any substance. How about some facts regarding Glenn Beck instead of the hate rhetoric.
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What good would that do? You seem to discount anything and everything that your little right-wing mind has not already approved. We post facts and you claim they are lies, then you post your lies to prove our facts wrong.

Did you see the video posted showing the "radicals" at the Kennedy Center last night? What is it exactly that is wrong with Americans that disagree with you and others expressing their First Amendment Rights without being demonized?
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Why is it that cons are so quick to demand their First Amendment Rights when they are criticized for what they say, but deny it to others when they don't like what is being said? Ala Palin - She didn't like Emmanuel's use of the word "retarded", but didn't mind when Limbaugh used it. She suggested that the n-word should not be used, then she praised Dr. Laura for using it? Hypocrisy much?
 
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Grim17 said:
No, it wasn't a political rally. It was a call to the people to embrace the values that made this nation great.
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Of course. That's why all those Democrats, Progressives, Independents, and Green Party people were Becky's invited speakers.
 
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Grim17 said:
No, it wasn't a political rally. It was a call to the people to embrace the values that made this nation great.
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You said this in your answer:

We are a nation founded by the belief that we are all guided by a higher power, which is something that our leaders are no longer following. It's up to us, the people, to return to those beliefs and demand our leaders live by them, because time is running out.
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If that was part of the message of the event, it was a political event. Now, I will not deny I have not watched any of the rally(baseball is on), so I am basing this strictly on what you said.

I also note where you cut out a large portion of my comments, where I said basically there is nothing I found objectionable about the event, and even praised it to an extent. I am not looking to bury the event, but trying to be fair to both sides.
 
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Conservative said:
Living in this country you have Freedom OF Religion but not Freedom FROM religion. You can choose to worship whoever or whatever you want and so do I. I worship God and that right is protected just like yours. To deny however that this country wasn't founded on Judeo Christian principles is simply false
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well, golly gee, where did i say it wasnt? i said what if you dont believe in god? i wholeheartedly believe that the founders were more christian than not, however several of the founding fathers beliefs have been called into question.
 
mertex;1058948948]What good would that do? You seem to discount anything and everything that your little right-wing mind has not already approved. We post facts and you claim they are lies, then you post your lies to prove our facts wrong.
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Didn't take long for the personal attacks. I have discounted nothing, simply posted the Anchorage Paper reporting on those ethics violations and their status. You buy what you are told from leftwing sites because that is what you want to believe. Your fixation on Palin is quite disturbing since she has nothing to do with this Administration or the policies they are implementing. If you truly want, which I doubt, to get the actual results of this Administration then go to bea.gov, bls.gov, and the U.S. Treasury websites for non partisan data thus actual results.

Why is it that cons are so quick to demand their First Amendment Rights when they are criticized for what they say, but deny it to others when they don't like what is being said? Ala Palin - She didn't like Emmanuel's use of the word "retarded", but didn't mind when Limbaugh used it. She suggested that the n-word should not be used, then she praised Dr. Laura for using it? Hypocrisy much?
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Glenn Beck exercised his First Amendment rights today and hundreds of thousands either attended or watched this rally on live streaming video. You certainly have that same right but to divert from the thread topic and what happened today in D.C. is quite telling
 
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Glinda said:
Of course. That's why all those Democrats, Progressives, Independents, and Green Party people were Becky's invited speakers.
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Frustrates you that you cannot find anything political about the rally? Quite telling that you didn't watch any of the rally but are an expert on who spoke and who didn't?
 
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justonemorevoice said:
several of the founding fathers beliefs have been called into question.
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so have obama's---by 54% of dems nationally

but not brother martin's

at least, not by those who knew him
 
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justonemorevoice said:
well, golly gee, where did i say it wasnt? i said what if you dont believe in god? i wholeheartedly believe that the founders were more christian than not, however several of the founding fathers beliefs have been called into question.
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How have they been called into question, Justonemorevoice?

I know there has been very serious attempts made, by the sitting President as well, to denigrate US history and the American people rather than highlighting the many positive contributions America has made to the world. That's why I'm rather curious about what form this 'question' is taking.
 
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The Prof said:
so have obama's---by 54% of dems nationally

but not brother martin's

at least, not by those who knew him
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yah yah yah. this is not about obama, now is it? do you deny that some of the founding fathers beliefs have been questioned?
 
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