yeah, yeah, yeah....Conservatives back Republican ideas, and Liberals back demo ideas...Congratulations you have been promoted to 'Master of the Obvious"
That would be a failure upon your thinking. Republican ideas vary just as much as Democrat ideas. Obamacare is little more then a tweaked platform that the Republicans themselves proposed a decade or so back. Right now it has virtually no support by Republicans and Conservatives. Obama is pushing a R&D credit that is an amped up version of the R&D the GOP enacted when they held power. It's not getting much play by Republicans. Each party backs what it believes will get it the most bang at the moment. Republicans say the stimulus has failed and was nothing more then a liberal handout despite the ugly fact that the stimulus has many identical policies Bush and the GOP enacted following 9/11. It has really nothing to do with the actual ideas and platforms each party has. It has everything to do with what each party believes will gather it the most utility at the current moment.
Obama getting bashed by Republicans for enacting their own policies is a sign of that.
Now I have some questions, because I am not an econ grad, or am I anything close to understanding some of the arguments coming from supporters of Obama these days
Then you should ask someone else. I didn't vote for him and I have stated repetitively that the stimulus did not work well. Merely because I honestly and objectively look at the subject does not mean I support Obama merely because the facts right now do not support your ideological bias.
a) How can you trumpet that as a success?
What are we comparing it to? Compared to January 2007, that's a huge success. Are the numbers good? hardly. But they have been much worse. Some of us have memories longer then a Goldfish's. Some people do not.
b) How much did every one of those 144,000 Jobs cost in real dollars per job spent by the tax payer?
Bad question. How many of those jobs were caused by tax payer dollars? You first assume what you want without proving your assumption. You have begged the question and done so in a blatant way that demands me to point out your dishonesty.
c) What is the earning of these people supposedly employed through Obama's wonderful spending spree? Are they earning as much as before they lost their job?
See above. Another fallacy based question.
a) How do you accurately measure a "SAVED" job?
Good question. That requires a provable counter-factual. Is Obama blowing some smoke on the level of jobs "saved?" Absolutely. But the belief that spending that much cash and nothing happening is pretty insane. Furthermore, the number of jobs likely saved from the stabilization of the banking/financial sector is likely in the millions.
b) How can liberals continue to point at the Bush Administration as the totally wrong way to go about all things economic, when Obama's plans have put things in overdrive?
That is your opinion. Not based on fact. Furthermore, if we examine the job losses, they are declining over time and job gains are increasing, even when we strip out census jobs. Learn the difference between opinions and facts. What is more interesting is watching anti-Bush people bash Bush's policies without realizing Obama has adopted many of them and sold them to the same people as the path to success.
c) How does spending something like a million dollars to create one $30K per year job that only lasts 8 months count as real job creation?
It doesn't. But that million dollars is clearly not creating just one job. If you believe that to be true, then you must also believe that every time a firm gets a huge order and hires lots of people and boosts demand from suppliers, suppliers don't change their labor demands. Like Boeing getting an order for 80 747s, putting a massive order for parts in and part suppliers not changing anything on their end.
We'll start here. I am truly looking for some explanations.
Given your questions, that is patently false. You are looking to hit Obama on anything. If you were honest, you wouldn't have replaced facts with opinions. Nor would you have used multiple fallacy questions.
I will tolerate your antics for now. But the kids gloves are off.
