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Nationwide meat recall announced

Never let a good crisis go to waste!

What, Gov't Regulation and Control isn't perfect? WE NEED MORE GOV'T!!!

The only ones asking that question are those that believe Gov't could have stopped these problems to begin with.

I actually don't believe that new regulations are in order. I believe that these reports, over time, will lead to greater demand for sustainably farmed, organic, non-environmentally cataclysmic methods of farming, and I trust the free market to fill that gap.

However, I also believe in cutting off subsidies for factory farms. I'm sick of my tax dollars subsidizing an industry that has such detrimental effects on overall health and the environment.
 
I actually don't believe that new regulations are in order. I believe that these reports, over time, will lead to greater demand for sustainably farmed, organic, non-environmentally cataclysmic methods of farming, and I trust the free market to fill that gap.

However, I also believe in cutting off subsidies for factory farms. I'm sick of my tax dollars subsidizing an industry that has such detrimental effects on overall health and the environment.

This is another reason why consumer choices will not have an impact on these industries. Our own government is in bed with them.
 
Who is talking about a crisis here? I phrased my OP in order to present 2 sides to a discussion, then asked for discussion, in which there has some pretty good back and forth between the participants. Why don't you join the discussion? How about presenting an intelligent dialog which addresses why the government should not get involved? Or should it? And, if so, then to what extent?

I wasn't talking at you Dan, I DID join the discussion. There are those tha will see these isolated food outbreaks as a"Crisis" to expand gov't.

Why do you miss that eh?
 
Not immune, but if you've ever set foot on a factory farm (and I have), you'll understand why I don't like to eat food from them.

I get my chicken from Pilgrim's Pride ;)

I just don't get too worried about Factory Farms. Animals are Animals... as long as they aren't being harmed, starved or abused (and I suppose that's a relative bar for some)... food is food.
 
I wasn't talking at you Dan, I DID join the discussion. There are those tha will see these isolated food outbreaks as a"Crisis" to expand gov't.

Why do you miss that eh?

OK, my bad.

**DanaRhea bends over**

You may kick me now. :mrgreen:
 
OK, my bad.

**DanaRhea bends over**

You may kick me now. :mrgreen:

I don't need your permission to do that... however ;) I will take advantage of the moment.

KICK!
(*Note to those concerned Dan was hurt by this KICK, I want to assure all that he was wearing NERF pants, I wore a NERF SHOE and he was kicked into a vat of Pudding where Catz dove in to save him)
 
I don't need your permission to do that... however ;) I will take advantage of the moment.

KICK!
(*Note to those concerned Dan was hurt by this KICK, I want to assure all that he was wearing NERF pants, I wore a NERF SHOE and he was kicked into a vat of Pudding where Catz dove in to save him)


DISCLAIMER: No meat producing animals were harmed in the performance of this ass kicking. :mrgreen:
 
They are not, but if we just had Organic Farms, these recalls would be practically non-existant. It's only in the last 15-20 where we has experienced this phenomena... the age of the factory farm.
 
They are not, but if we just had Organic Farms, these recalls would be practically non-existant. It's only in the last 15-20 where we has experienced this phenomena... the age of the factory farm.

What silly non-sense. And Food prices would be higher then today too. These recalls have increased as methods for tracking both from and to producer to seller have improved.
 
What silly non-sense. And Food prices would be higher then today too. These recalls have increased as methods for tracking both from and to producer to seller have improved.

I don't need the govt to track my meat and produce from producer to seller. If I get sick from something, Ima just walk on over to the farm and bitch slap the guy I bought it off of.

And I really don't pay that much more for my stuff. What little bit more I do pay is worth it.
 
the gov't found the problem, not the company.

The meats may be contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes, which was discovered in a retail sample collected by inspectors in Georgia. The USDA has received no reports of illnesses associated with the meats.

The Canadian government found the problem.
Maybe we should stop importing food?
 
The Canadian government found the problem.
Maybe we should stop importing food?

Whoops! This was a recall in May of ready made sandwiches with Listeria
 
What silly non-sense. And Food prices would be higher then today too. These recalls have increased as methods for tracking both from and to producer to seller have improved.

With all of the expensive recalls that will most likely get worse, the prices will not stay low.

I saw an excellent and informative interview on CNN last night regarding this subject. Please watch and see for yourself:

Michael Pollan speaks on egg recall | Berkeleyside
 
People are bitching about this egg recall thing. My grandfather was a chicken farmer. He had 4 "chicken houses" each an acrex50 feet long and housing 22k chickens to begin with, although that number would drop significantly after the 52 days of having them there. He got out of the business not just because of getting older, but because of all the bs cost associated with it that the chicken farm companies charge. The government needs to step in and make sure this price gouging does not continue, so that it can encourage more chicken farmers to crop up, instead of shut down.
 
Never let a good crisis go to waste!

What, Gov't Regulation and Control isn't perfect? WE NEED MORE GOV'T!!!

The only ones asking that question are those that believe Gov't could have stopped these problems to begin with.

Given that a meat inspector made the find, I would say that the system did work. Its never going to be perfect, but this recall is far better than what could have happened.
 
I actually don't believe that new regulations are in order. I believe that these reports, over time, will lead to greater demand for sustainably farmed, organic, non-environmentally cataclysmic methods of farming, and I trust the free market to fill that gap.

However, I also believe in cutting off subsidies for factory farms. I'm sick of my tax dollars subsidizing an industry that has such detrimental effects on overall health and the environment.

Problem is, in a world in which food surpluses are the lowest in decades, organic farming and its inefficiency is really not practical on a large scale. Factory farms, while they need better oversight, are -- unfortunately -- needed if we are to ensure sufficient food in the coming decades. We need to find ways to produce MORE food. According to the UN, we will have to produce 50% more food than we do today by 2050!!! How are we going to do that? Certainly not through organic agriculture...
 
They are not, but if we just had Organic Farms, these recalls would be practically non-existant. It's only in the last 15-20 where we has experienced this phenomena... the age of the factory farm.

And we would have an even worse global food problem than we already do...
 
These are the risks you take when you subject your body to mass produced processed foods. :shrug:
 
These are the risks you take when you subject your body to mass produced processed foods. :shrug:

And while I don't consume them often (I eat moderate amounts of meat) I do occasionally because there are certain ones I like. Never had a problem with it. I love ham and won't stop eating it because of a few recalls... and when back in the States, you can't keep me away from liverwurst... yum....
 
And while I don't consume them often (I eat moderate amounts of meat) I do occasionally because there are certain ones I like. Never had a problem with it. I love ham and won't stop eating it because of a few recalls... and when back in the States, you can't keep me away from liverwurst... yum....




Its what each of us have to decide for ourselves as "Acceptable risk"... I for one have cut out almost all processed foods from my family's diet. If I wan't ham, I buy fresh and from a local farm.
 
Its what each of us have to decide for ourselves as "Acceptable risk"... I for one have cut out almost all processed foods from my family's diet. If I wan't ham, I buy fresh and from a local farm.

Agreed... for me, moderation is the key and sticking with companies you trust...
 
Agreed... for me, moderation is the key and sticking with companies you trust...



And knowing "**** happens"...

I usually get food poisoning at least once a year. It used to me more until I cut out mexican and LA oysters.
 
as long as they aren't being harmed, starved or abused (and I suppose that's a relative bar for some)... food is food.

I guess from this sentence that you've never visited a factory farm to see where your food comes from...For the record, I grew up on a farm where we raised black angus cattle that we ate, so I'm no anti-meat whacko. However, no animal should live in the conditions I've seen on some of those farms.
 
Problem is, in a world in which food surpluses are the lowest in decades, organic farming and its inefficiency is really not practical on a large scale. Factory farms, while they need better oversight, are -- unfortunately -- needed if we are to ensure sufficient food in the coming decades. We need to find ways to produce MORE food. According to the UN, we will have to produce 50% more food than we do today by 2050!!! How are we going to do that? Certainly not through organic agriculture...

Or maybe we could convince people to stop having litters of children. But that would fly in the face of superstitious religious nonsense, eh?

I'll tell you what...you can eat whatever crap you want, and I'll continue eating fresh/local. I suspect more people will join me, in the future.
 
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Or maybe we could convince people to stop having litters of children. But that would fly in the face of superstitious religious nonsense, eh?

People who have lots of children for religious reasons creep me out ... and thats coming from a Christian.
 
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