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Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

Moot said:
We don't have a Muslim invasion in this country. What we have is an irrational fear of Muslim's in this country.

What is this "allow" you keep mentioning? That sounds very authoritarian, imo. So you only "allow" those who are different from you to exist, because we have laws preventing you from commiting genocide on "others"? Well, thank God for our man made secular laws, eh?

Your crude phrase, "this war is being fought by vaginas" is very interestink as well. Does it have anything to do with "terror babies"? Again, you sound very disappointed that our laws won't "allow" you to exterminate the babies of the "other". My friend, you are the epitamy of why we have secular laws, they exist to protect us from the likes of you.
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They are outbreeding us. Plain and simple They are continuing to emigrate and Europe at least will continue to allow them in because they need the labor force and taxes to support their socialist governments and payouts. The native European population is in general decline with a birthrate that is less than sustainment level. If things continue at the present rate, Europe will be Muslim just by emigration and births within a couple generations at best.
 
ric27 said:
If anyone thinks that this is not a religious fight to the death they are kidding themselves. I am all for separation of church and state. Islam finds this incomprehensible and another reason to wipe us off the planet. We can argue all we want amongst ourselves and they will see it as weakness while we say its our right to free speech. They don't care about our rights; its part of what they want to see destroyed.
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I'm not scared. I don't feel threatened. That's because I believe that freedom is greater than Islam. Liberty will prevail if such a scenario as you have hypothetically proffered.
 
ric27 said:
They are outbreeding us. Plain and simple They are continuing to emigrate and Europe at least will continue to allow them in because they need the labor force and taxes to support their socialist governments and payouts. The native European population is in general decline with a birthrate that is less than sustainment level. If things continue at the present rate, Europe will be Muslim just by emigration and births within a couple generations at best.
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Well then obviously we need to force our women to be more modest so we can outbreed them. The hijab and burqa sales would probably help the economy too! :roll:

Seriously man, that's how democracy works. Do you only support it when you are in the majority?
 
ric27 said:
They are outbreeding us. Plain and simple They are continuing to emigrate and Europe at least will continue to allow them in because they need the labor force and taxes to support their socialist governments and payouts. The native European population is in general decline with a birthrate that is less than sustainment level. If things continue at the present rate, Europe will be Muslim just by emigration and births within a couple generations at best.
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Then as I see it, Europeans have two choices, they can either encourage Muslim women to go to college so they can have a career and put off family life, or they can dumb down and oppress the European women. Which do you think is best?
 
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Qatzel Ok said:
If the Muslims of the world wanted to show Americans the same kind of tolerance that Americans have shown them, all of your cities would be rubble by now. Mecca is not Manhattan. Manhattan was built on the idea that anyone with money could build whatever horrible tower or center they want. Mecca has different rules and always has.
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Horrible?


What was "horrible" about the World trade center? Please do explain. :roll:
 
ric27 said:
They are outbreeding us. Plain and simple They are continuing to emigrate and Europe at least will continue to allow them in because they need the labor force and taxes to support their socialist governments and payouts. The native European population is in general decline with a birthrate that is less than sustainment level. If things continue at the present rate, Europe will be Muslim just by emigration and births within a couple generations at best.
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Muslims are less than 1% of of US population so numbers aren't there for them to be a political force anytime soon.... unless they plan on doing a whole lotta f..ing.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, if I'm your liberal, which I lean, then you would be wrong on your stereotype. And you should address me directly instead of assuming I represent all liberlas. I suspect we're more individual and don't speak for each other. Do you speak for all conervatives?
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I never said you speak for all liberals, just that your tired lines are talking points used by most liberals. It really is group think without knowing it.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I never said you speak for all liberals, just that your tired lines are talking points used by most liberals. It really is group think without knowing it.


j-mac
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What I actually say, or what you read into my comments? Seriously, I believe you only see what you want to see and only hear what you want to hear. But in any case, the point is, address who you are talking to and the points that person makes. Do that and perhaps we can get somewhere.
 
Boo Radley said:
What I actually say, or what you read into my comments? Seriously, I believe you only see what you want to see and only hear what you want to hear. But in any case, the point is, address who you are talking to and the points that person makes. Do that and perhaps we can get somewhere.
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Unlikely, seeing as most of your arguments are shaded in nuance enough to allow you to change them on a dime. That kind of dishonesty is fun to banter with, but wholly unserious in ability to see anything other than what you wish the debate to be. I still like ya though Joe, you are fun to argue with, and give me great insight in what to expect from other liberals in real life when talking issues.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Unlikely, seeing as most of your arguments are shaded in nuance enough to allow you to change them on a dime. That kind of dishonesty is fun to banter with, but wholly unserious in ability to see anything other than what you wish the debate to be. I still like ya though Joe, you are fun to argue with, and give me great insight in what to expect from other liberals in real life when talking issues.


j-mac
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I'm sorry you don't like well thought out answers that try to be accurate instead of something that fits your prejudicial stereotype. But a full answer often requires moe than yes or no, and requires that you consider at least a few of the possibilities or elements involved.

But I don't change anything. Sometimes you misread, get it wrong, and don't bother to hear what is really being said. And while I still like you as well, it is annoying.
 
What was "horrible" about the World trade center? Please do explain.
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It was a symbol of world usury, backed up by private and public armies.

It symbolized the impoverishment of the great masses of humanity in order to create a gilded elite of super-accountants.
 
Qatzel Ok said:
It was a symbol of world usury, backed up by private and public armies.

It symbolized the impoverishment of the great masses of humanity in order to create a gilded elite of super-accountants.
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Yeah, them accountants are really rakin' it in ... :lamo
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
I'm not scared. I don't feel threatened. That's because I believe that freedom is greater than Islam. Liberty will prevail if such a scenario as you have hypothetically proffered.
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So you believe freedom is the natural state of the world and doesn't need to be protected or fought for?

You're certainly not alone in this perception, Independent Thinker, and they felt the same way in Western Europe as well.

This is why Islam will win and freedom will lose.
 
Obamanator said:
Muslims are less than 1% of of US population so numbers aren't there for them to be a political force anytime soon.... unless they plan on doing a whole lotta f..ing.
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LOL!!

That's what they said in Europe at one time too! It's like deja vu all over again!

Continue to abort your babies while Muslims continue to have several of them, and in a couple of generations it's all over.

They know that but the majority in the Western democracies don't. This dumbing down of western culture has proved to be fatal.
 
Qatzel Ok said:
It was a symbol of world usury, backed up by private and public armies.

It symbolized the impoverishment of the great masses of humanity in order to create a gilded elite of super-accountants.
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A gilded elite of super-accountants?

Hmmm. It's all starting to add up!
 
Grant said:
So you believe freedom is the natural state of the world and doesn't need to be protected or fought for?

You're certainly not alone in this perception, Independent Thinker, and they felt the same way in Western Europe as well.

This is why Islam will win and freedom will lose.
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No, I don't believe that it is the "natural" state of the world. I believe that once people taste freedom, they will do whatever to maintain it.

I am not convinced that Western Europe has lost it's freedom.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
No, I don't believe that it is the "natural" state of the world. I believe that once people taste freedom, they will do whatever to maintain it.

I am not convinced that Western Europe has lost it's freedom.
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I'm not convinced at all people will do what they can to maintain it. That's not what history tells us, or how they can possibly repel the new war tactics which are now in place.

People will lose their freedom an inch at a time, hardly noticing until it disappears altogether. Each successive generation will grow up thinking the status quo is normal , having never lived to enjoy pure freedom themselves. Politicians and charlatans will offer you more "rights and freedoms', fed to the populace as social programs, and soon you are dependent, and thus quite unfree.

Others will convince you that your people and society are corrupt and you should change to a better world with a better, more fair, system. Theirs.

Charlatans like Barrack Obama and his handlers convinced the American people to lose their freedoms more than an inch at a time, and most people are finally catching on. Some fools don't, however, and they'll ruin America for everyone.

So if the Muslims don't get you, and they probably will over time, the Socialists will. Either way, America as it once was is screwed, just as is Western Europe.
 
Grant, what do you honestly think will happen if Muslims somehow became a majority in America? Do you honestly believe Shariah Law will be introduced? Do you think somehow the US Constitution will disappear? That somehow, Muslims will make America an Islamic state?

The only word that accurately describes that is deluded.
 
Grant said:
I'm not convinced at all people will do what they can to maintain it. That's not what history tells us, or how they can possibly repel the new war tactics which are now in place.

People will lose their freedom an inch at a time, hardly noticing until it disappears altogether. Each successive generation will grow up thinking the status quo is normal , having never lived to enjoy pure freedom themselves. Politicians and charlatans will offer you more "rights and freedoms', fed to the populace as social programs, and soon you are dependent, and thus quite unfree.

Others will convince you that your people and society are corrupt and you should change to a better world with a better, more fair, system. Theirs.

Charlatans like Barrack Obama and his handlers convinced the American people to lose their freedoms more than an inch at a time, and most people are finally catching on. Some fools don't, however, and they'll ruin America for everyone.

So if the Muslims don't get you, and they probably will over time, the Socialists will. Either way, America as it once was is screwed, just as is Western Europe.
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I'm not scared. I'm not surprised that you tried to tie this to Obama. Good luck with your modern day McCarthyism.
 
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Degreez said:
Grant, what do you honestly think will happen if Muslims somehow became a majority in America? Do you honestly believe Shariah Law will be introduced? Do you think somehow the US Constitution will disappear? That somehow, Muslims will make America an Islamic state?

The only word that accurately describes that is deluded.
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I can only judge by history, Degreez.

Where Islam has managed to become the dominant force they have introduced, and then maintained, Shariah Law,


Do you know of any exceptions?
 
Grant said:
I can only judge by history, Degreez.

Where Islam has managed to become the dominant force they have introduced, and then maintained, Shariah Law,


Do you know of any exceptions?
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Turkey.

Now are you going to answer any of my questions? Or will your preconceived notions of Islam continue to maintain baseless speculations?
 
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