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Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York

ric27 said:
Jet - In this country, what percentage of the VOTING population determines who is president and who runs the senate and house?

Give me a number
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As usual you still didn't asnwer the question. What do you propse to do, deport all Muslims to Muslim land including the ones born in America?
 
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independent_thinker2002 said:
So you only support democracy when you are a member of the majority?
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These two social orders are fundamentally opposed with regard to the observance of personal freedom. Despite any religious/secular leanings it is incomprehensible to me that someone who is a product of the western world can take an honest look at the social state of an Islamic country and say "they really aren't that bad, we can get along with them".
 
TheNextEra said:
As usual you still didn't asnwer the question. What do you propse to do, deport all Muslims to Muslim land including the ones born in America?
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Without the world's thirst for oil, regimes in the Middle East would be marginalized, but unfortunately they are coddled and appeased for access to oil. This plays a direct role in the "Islamic Problem."

Either way, we are ****ed
 
ric27 said:
These two social orders are fundamentally opposed with regard to the observance of personal freedom. Despite any religious/secular leanings it is incomprehensible to me that someone who is a product of the western world can take an honest look at the social state of an Islamic country and say "they really aren't that bad, we can get along with them".
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Even our founders had no problem with Muslims. American Muslims aren't turning our country into Afghanistan, Iran, or Saudi Arabia. People who have never experienced freedom don't know what they are missing. People who have experienced freedom won't give it up.
 
ric27 said:
Without the world's thirst for oil, regimes in the Middle East would be marginalized, but unfortunately they are coddled and appeased for access to oil. This plays a direct role in the "Islamic Problem."

Either way, we are ****ed
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So once again you're avoiding the question.

Since you deem Islam and Muslims such a threat... Do you propose we deport them?
 
Jetboogieman said:
So once again you're avoiding the question.

Since you deem Islam and Muslims such a threat... Do you propose we deport them?
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Time will tell...

Have you read Tom Clancy's book, "Executive Orders"?? Ryan is appointed to the Vice Presidency because the current VP had resigned and literally within minutes, became President when a suicidal Japanese pilot flew an airliner full of fuel into the Capitol building, killing the President and most of the House and Senate

The leader of Iran launched a biological attack against the US with a weaponized Ebola virus. To combat the spread of Ebola, he orders the shut down of all transportation systems, tells people who aren't in essential occupations to stay home and mobilizes the National Guard to close all the roads. Here is the important part. When told that he couldn't do that under the Constitution, the response is, "The Constitution never envisioned this kind of a situation and does not cover it. It is a political document, not a suicide pact"

Just saying
 
OMG.

Did he just cite a Tom Clancy book?

:rofl
 
ric27 said:
Time will tell...

Have you read Tom Clancy's book, "Executive Orders"?? Ryan is appointed to the Vice Presidency because the current VP had resigned and literally within minutes, became President when a suicidal Japanese pilot flew an airliner full of fuel into the Capitol building, killing the President and most of the House and Senate

The leader of Iran launched a biological attack against the US with a weaponized Ebola virus. To combat the spread of Ebola, he orders the shut down of all transportation systems, tells people who aren't in essential occupations to stay home and mobilizes the National Guard to close all the roads. Here is the important part. When told that he couldn't do that under the Constitution, the response is, "The Constitution never envisioned this kind of a situation and does not cover it. It is a political document, not a suicide pact"

Just saying
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You're citing a piece of FICTION. :doh:
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
OMG.

Did he just cite a Tom Clancy book?

:rofl
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The key phrase here is, "it is not a suicide pact". The Muslim invasion and takeover of the US and Europe is not being done by armed men that can be fought in the streets. To put it crudely, this war is being fought by vaginas, i.e. those who can produce the most children. We have already allowed them into our country. We allow the religion to exist here because the Constitution does not allow the government to restrict the free exercise of religion.
 
ric27 said:
The key phrase here is, "it is not a suicide pact". The Muslim invasion and takeover of the US and Europe is not being done by armed men that can be fought in the streets. To put it crudely, this war is being fought by vaginas, i.e. those who can produce the most children. We have already allowed them into our country. We allow the religion to exist here because the Constitution does not allow the government to restrict the free exercise of religion.
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Since Islam is growing so fast in spite of them all being suicide bombers I am going to have to say that we wouldn't all die if Muslims became a majority in this country. :roll:
 
ric27 said:
To put it crudely, this war is being fought by vaginas
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LMAO
Dude you almost made me choke to death on my sandwich.
 
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Marilyn Monroe said:
You didn't address the inequality issue. Living peacefully is what you see and know.

I don't like the idea of mosques going up teaching brutality towards women.
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I grew up in the south, and believe me there are Chrisitans who teach inequality towards women and about any other gorup you can mention. Teaching stupid **** is not against the law, or limited to muslims. And as this issue shows, nor is believing inaccurate things. Again, Al Qaeda attached us. There is no just reason to treat all muslims as if they were al Qaeda.
 
j-mac said:
It always cracks me up when liberals expect any given person to keep a separate folder of all the dumb **** they say so that in the future it can be brought out, instead of just admitting their dishonesty.


j-mac
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Isn't it dishonest to pretend this is limited to liberals?


I'm just sayin . . . :lamo :lamo :lamo
 
Boo Radley said:
Isn't it dishonest to pretend this is limited to liberals?


I'm just sayin . . . :lamo :lamo :lamo
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I see, so you admit that you do that as a debate tactic, and knowingly dishonestly eh? And your excuse is "Well, conservatives do it too..."

You should be laughing at yourself sir.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
I see, so you admit that you do that as a debate tactic, and knowingly dishonestly eh? And your excuse is "Well, conservatives do it too..."

You should be laughing at yourself sir.


j-mac
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I don't excuse it at all, even when yo do it, but found it funny that you limit your crticism to "liberals," whoever they are.

:lamo
 
Boo Radley said:
... but found it funny that you limit your crticism to "liberals," whoever they are.

:lamo
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j-mac
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Since Islam is growing so fast in spite of them all being suicide bombers I am going to have to say that we wouldn't all die if Muslims became a majority in this country. :roll:
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If anyone thinks that this is not a religious fight to the death they are kidding themselves. I am all for separation of church and state. Islam finds this incomprehensible and another reason to wipe us off the planet. We can argue all we want amongst ourselves and they will see it as weakness while we say its our right to free speech. They don't care about our rights; its part of what they want to see destroyed.
 
ric27 said:
If anyone thinks that this is not a religious fight to the death they are kidding themselves. I am all for separation of church and state. Islam finds this incomprehensible and another reason to wipe us off the planet. We can argue all we want amongst ourselves and they will see it as weakness while we say its our right to free speech. They don't care about our rights; its part of what they want to see destroyed.
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j-mac said:
got a mirror handy?


j-mac
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Well, if I'm your liberal, which I lean, then you would be wrong on your stereotype. And you should address me directly instead of assuming I represent all liberlas. I suspect we're more individual and don't speak for each other. Do you speak for all conervatives?
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, if I'm your liberal, which I lean, then you would be wrong on your stereotype. And you should address me directly instead of assuming I represent all liberlas. I suspect we're more individual and don't speak for each other. Do you speak for all conervatives?
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LOL It is ironic how many conservatives claim to want individual and personal freedom and then refuse to recognize the individual as they fight for corporate power over individuals.
 
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ric27 said:
The key phrase here is, "it is not a suicide pact". The Muslim invasion and takeover of the US and Europe is not being done by armed men that can be fought in the streets. To put it crudely, this war is being fought by vaginas, i.e. those who can produce the most children. We have already allowed them into our country. We allow the religion to exist here because the Constitution does not allow the government to restrict the free exercise of religion.
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We don't have a Muslim invasion in this country. What we have is an irrational fear of Muslim's in this country.

What is this "allow" you keep mentioning? That sounds very authoritarian, imo. So you only "allow" those who are different from you to exist, because we have laws preventing you from commiting genocide on "others"? Well, thank God for our man made secular laws, eh?

Your crude phrase, "this war is being fought by vaginas" is very interestink as well. Does it have anything to do with "terror babies"? Again, you sound very disappointed that our laws won't "allow" you to exterminate the babies of the "other". My friend, you are the epitamy of why we have secular laws, they exist to protect us from the likes of you.
 
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