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ReverendHellh0und said:
I've asked you this before. you simply ignore it.


Your loaded question makes little sense and is not worthy or a retort.
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No, it would not offend me, though that is a bit different. Japan is a country. Everyone in Japan is part of that specific country. Religion is not near as complete.

But, no. It would not offend me. And if Japanese wanted t build a bridge to those their country harmed, they would have to be close to the act. it would be logical. And they would have to face those they harmed and show why they are different.

But in this case, no one building is part of Al Qaeda. No such evidence has been provided at all. And tthat's who attacked us. To be even close to your example, Al Qeda would ahve to be building there.
 
Boo Radley said:
No, it would not offend me, though that is a bit different. Japan is a country. Everyone in Japan is part of that specific country. Religion is not near as complete.
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How is it different? The japanese fought for thier shinto god, the emporer....


But, no. It would not offend me. And if Japanese wanted t build a bridge to those their country harmed, they would have to be close to the act. it would be logical. And they would have to face those they harmed and show why they are different.
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Even if that bridge included not denouncing the attacks in the war and saying the US was partially responsible? Or not denouncing the german army?


nice "bridge" you got thier champ. :lol:



But in this case, no one building is part of Al Qaeda. No such evidence has been provided at all. And tthat's who attacked us. To be even close to your example, Al Qeda would ahve to be building there.
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Because EVERY japanese was for the japan empire? Really? :lol:
 
BDBoop said:
Oh? Really? I'm thinking not. Is there a citation for that?
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I know quite a few blacks who are truly born-agains Christians, but then there are others who go to church, but their pastors preach hate from the pulpit, Jeremiah Wright being one of them.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
How is it different? The japanese fought for thier shinto god, the emporer....





Even if that bridge included not denouncing the attacks in the war and saying the US was partially responsible? Or not denouncing the german army?


nice "bridge" you got thier champ. :lol:





Because EVERY japanese was for the japan empire? Really? :lol:
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Everyone uses God is on their side. The Germans did. Heck so did we. It is kind of a meaningless thing to mention.

But, yes, Japnase people in Japan are part of the actual country that attacked. All muslims are not remotely part of Al Qaeda. They don't hold anywhere near the same connections a citizen of a country holds.

But I'm not advocating holding all responsible. Merely noting the difference for you. You're kind of asking us to hold South Koera responsible for what Japan did because they worship similarly (assuming they do).
 
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Boo Radley said:
Everyone uses God is on their side. The Germans did. Heck so did we. It is kind of a meaningless think to mention.

But, yes, Japnase people in Japan are part of the actual country that attacked. All muslims are not remotely part of Al Qaeda. They don't hold anywhere near the same connections a citizen of a country holds.

But I'm not advocating holding all responsible. Merely noting the difference for you. You're kind of asking us to hold South Koera responsible for what Japan did because they worship similarly (assuming they do).
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now you simply are obfuscating... :shrug:
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
How is it different? The japanese fought for thier shinto god, the emporer....
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Pretty thin, Rev-- your comparison is so thin, it's almost transparent.


Even if that bridge included not denouncing the attacks in the war and saying the US was partially responsible? Or not denouncing the german army?
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FALSE ANALOGY -- :failpail::failpail:

The Imam and all mainstream American Muslim have denounced the 9/11 attacks. Perhaps you didn't get the memo.

But just like the extreme pro-lifers that refused to denounce Scott Roeder, the extreme element will raise it's ugly head.

Let's be better then that and not become what we despise.

Are you up to the challenge of tolerance and respecting the values in our Constitution??
 
Boo Radley said:
That's nonsense. You're just trying to not concede the point. Is this where yo run away? :lamo
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Run away? Nah..... I don't run away from you hero, you just begin to bore me and I lose interest with your obfuscation techniques... :shrug:
 
hazlnut said:
Pretty thin, Rev-- your comparison is so thin, it's almost transparent.
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This is an intelligent retort?


FALSE ANALOGY -- :failpail::failpail:

The Imam and all mainstream American Muslim have denounced the 9/11 attacks. Perhaps you didn't get the memo.
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link please to this guy not saying we were partially responsible.


But just like the extreme pro-lifers that refused to denounce Scott Roeder, the extreme element will raise it's ugly head.
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Are you mouth foaming again? Seems like the resident partisan hack is in full plumage today. :lol:


Let's be better then that and not become what we despise.


Are you up to the challenge of tolerance and respecting the values in our Constitution??
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Wait. What is my position on this mosque? Please do tell. I would hate for you to make a fool of yourself on the account of the Greatness that is the Good Reverend.. :thumbs:
 
bicycleman said:
I know quite a few blacks who are truly born-agains Christians, but then there are others who go to church, but their pastors preach hate from the pulpit, Jeremiah Wright being one of them.
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All fundamentalist pastors teach hate, black or white makes no nevermind. Generally it's aimed at gays, but there's plenty of hate to go around once somebody puts themselves in the judgement seat of Moses.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Run away? Nah..... I don't run away from you hero, you just begin to bore me and I lose interest with your obfuscation techniques... :shrug:
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Say what you must to save face. But you haven't addressed the fundamental difference. Japan a country attaked us. Not their religion. Al Qaeda attacked us. Not their religion. When you oppose a muslim because of al Qaeda, you're saying all are responsible for anything done in their name. So, Chrisitans are responsible for Hitler's sins. Chrisitans are resposnible for the Klan's sins. You really are asking us to hold South Koera responsible for what Japan did because they worship similarly (assuming they do).
 
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BDBoop said:
All fundamentalist pastors teach hate, black or white makes no nevermind. Generally it's aimed at gays, but there's plenty of hate to go around once somebody puts themselves in the judgement seat of Moses.
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I'm not a big Church guy but I've never personally seen hate. I've seen "hate the sin, love the sinner".
 
BDBoop said:
All fundamentalist pastors teach hate, black or white makes no nevermind. Generally it's aimed at gays, but there's plenty of hate to go around once somebody puts themselves in the judgement seat of Moses.
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My...how very intolerant and bigoted of you...Really??? ALL? And teaching adherence to standards is 'preaching hate'?
 
Ockham said:
I'm not a big Church guy but I've never personally seen hate. I've seen "hate the sin, love the sinner".
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I have - I was fundy from 14 to my late 30's. I didn't see hate when I went to a 'grace-based place' church, but I surely did when I went to Pentecostal. I walked out of a sermon when he was talking down about gays, and this was a pastor I'd had since the aforementioned age of 14. My sister is a lesbian, so. I wasn't going to sit there and listen to him badmouth her for being who she is.
 
Boo Radley said:
Say what you must to save face. But you haven't addressed the fundamental difference. Japan a country attaked us. Not their religion. Al Qaeda attacked us. Not their religion. When you oppose a muslim because of al Qaeda, you're saying all are responsible for anything done in their name. So, Chrisitans are responsible for Hitler's sins. Chrisitans are resposnible for the Klan's sins. You really are asking us to hold South Koera responsible for what Japan did because they worship similarly (assuming they do).
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Save face? You made your usual ambiguous pontifications, obfuscated and claimed victory. You talk down to those who think the mosque is in poor taste (it is) including those of us who have lost loved ones in the 911 attacks. Your snotty incoherent ramblings permeate every post you make. People stop talking to you because you are boring and rarely say anything of substance. not because you have ever won an argument here at dp or that crap hole of a forum you came from.


If you weren't such a raving partisan hack you would see how insensitive this mosque is and the clear attempts at antagonizing this imam is engaging in. As I stated before, he has every right to put said mosque there but only a blind fool would suggest that what he's doing is anything but being an antagonistic asshole.


Putting a mosque there is no different than putting a japanese cultural center at pearl harbor. and while you bloviate on as if you had anything substantive to say. many muslims agree the mosque there is in poor taste, including at least one on this forum hero.
 
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Muslim-born Miss USA Rima Fakih says she opposes Ground Zero mosque and Islamic center - NYPOST.com

Some Muslims question mosque near ground zero | clarionledger.com | The Clarion-Ledger

The Mosque at Ground Zero, a Muslim View: Planting a Flag on an Islamic Conquest :: Hudson New York



YOu tell these muslims how they are bigoted and have no right to be offended.
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Why wouldn't I? Illogic is illogic no matter who says it. I'll never understand why people argue something is more correct if the quote someone. Stupid is stupid no matter who says it. Wrong is wrong no matter who says otherwise. And illogical is illical regardless. You can't list quotes to dispute logic. Muslims were not the attakers. Al Qaeda was. That they were muslim or even attacking using the rethoric of the religion doesn't make all muslims al Qaeda any more then hitlre blessing plans makes all Christians nazis or the klan preahing the bible makes all christinas klan members. So, you have not yet address the argument I make.
 
I think it's the Muslims place to take the lead and be sensitive to a nation who has been kind to them in ever so many ways. After 9/11 we could have rounded them all up and given them airfare back to their beloved ME country. Really this sensitivity crap goes both ways, and to me it's their turn. Take it or leave it. They need to take this opportunity to show that they really are sympathetic to all those who lost loved ones, and see that we have not entirely healed, and really how could we with so many people living who lost loved because of a religion that shows hatred towards anyone who isn't what they are.

I don't know much about the Muslim faith, but it is still living in the 6th century. It's not progressed. This is dangerous. Until they will admit completely that 9/11 was done with hatred for us in the name of Allah, I don't think they are with us. And if you're not with us, it could be you are still against us. Trust has to be earned. This Imam hasn't done this. He's left the door wide open for criticism of him and his religion.

My question is why can't they just put their mosque somewhere else, and forget about keeping it so close to 9/11 that it was damaged by debris and what not.

They need to be sensitive. Not us. I'll like to see if they will be. Then maybe more healing will take place.
 
Boo Radley said:
Why wouldn't I? Illogic is illogic no matter who says it.
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Admitting your problem is the first step. Kudos to you. :thumbs:


I'll never understand why people argue something is more correct if the quote someone. Stupid is stupid no matter who says it.
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Again introspection is a welcome change, kudos Boo. :thumbs:

Wrong is wrong no matter who says otherwise. And illogical is illical regardless.
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Great job. getting that all out. Feel better hero?


You can't list quotes to dispute logic.
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They dispute your opinion. There is just blind partisan hackery you call "logic"...


Muslims were not the attakers. Al Qaeda was. That they were muslim or even attacking using the rethoric of the religion doesn't make all muslims al Qaeda any more then hitlre blessing plans makes all Christians nazis or the klan preahing the bible makes all christinas klan members. So, you have not yet address the argument I make.
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The Japanese citizens were not the attackers the japanese military was....


:failpail:


You should probably look into a bigger bucket, yours is about full
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Save face? You made your usual ambiguous pontifications, obfuscated and claimed victory. You talk down to those who think the mosque is in poor taste (it is) including those of us who have lost loved ones in the 911 attacks. Your snotty incoherent ramblings permeate every post you make. People stop talking to you because you are boring and rarely say anything of substance. not because you have ever won an argument here at dp or that crap hole of a forum you came from.


If you weren't such a raving partisan hack you would see how insensitive this mosque is and the clear attempts at antagonizing this imam is engaging in. As I stated before, he has every right to put said mosque there but only a blind fool would suggest that what he's doing is anything but being an antagonistic asshole.


Putting a mosque there is no different than putting a japanese cultural center at pearl harbor. and while you bloviate on as if you had anything substantive to say. many muslims agree the mosque there is in poor taste, including at least one on this forum hero.
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First, I haven't claimed victory. I've made an agument to which you have not actually addressed. And no, putting as the people putting up the mosque are not Al Qaeda, it would be like not allowing a Korean center because Japan attacked us for no other reason tha they worshiped similarly (assuming they do). That is the mistake you're making. You're still seeing the Muslim as someone they are not, and this is the fundamental error I'm trying to get across. korea isn't Japan. Germany isn't Chistianity. And Muslims are not Al Qaeda.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Admitting your problem is the first step. Kudos to you. :thumbs:





Again introspection is a welcome change, kudos Boo. :thumbs:



Great job. getting that all out. Feel better hero?




They dispute your opinion. There is just blind partisan hackery you call "logic"...




The Japanese citizens were not the attackers the japanese military was....


:failpail:


You should probably look into a bigger bucket, yours is about full
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But Japanese citizens are part of japan. All of the ctizens are part of japan. There is NO Japnase CITIZEN who is not a Japanese citizen. And even they are not repsonisble.

So, you then remove the people one more step. None of those building the Mosque to ou knowledge is Al Qaeda. None. Not one. No connection. Nada.

Do you see the difference yet? Once you do, maybeyou can address it. ;)
 
Boo Radley said:
First, I haven't claimed victory. I've made an agument to which you have not actually addressed. And no, putting as the people putting up the mosque are not Al Qaeda, it would be like not allowing a Korean center because Japan attacked us for no other reason tha they worshiped similarly (assuming they do). That is the mistake you're making. You're still seeing the Muslim as someone they are not, and this is the fundamental error I'm trying to get across. korea isn't Japan. Germany isn't Chistianity. And Muslims are not Al Qaeda.
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blah blah blah..... You haven't made any new points, and this one of yours has already been thrashed.


Perhaps we should put up some general custer statues on a mohawk reservations.... I mean the dood never killed any mohawks.

That's your goof ball logic in a nutshell.

:failpail:


:failpail:


I've brought you two, you will need them.
 
Marilyn Monroe said:
I think it's the Muslims place to take the lead and be sensitive to a nation who has been kind to them in ever so many ways. After 9/11 we could have rounded them all up and given them airfare back to their beloved ME country.
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Ethnic cleansing - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

: the expulsion, imprisonment, or killing of an ethnic minority by a dominant majority in order to achieve ethnic homogeneity
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Scary stuff dude.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
blah blah blah..... You haven't made any new points, and this one of yours has already been thrashed.


Perhaps we should put up some general custer statues on a mohawk reservations.... I mean the dood never killed any mohawks.

That's your goof ball logic in a nutshell.

:failpail:


:failpail:


I've brought you two, you will need them.
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I can't bring up new points until you address the old points. It is you holding it up. ;)
 
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