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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

That should be easy for you to document then...I look forward to it.


j-mac

Let me give you a clue. Nobody is born subscribing to a religion. They are born a baby, as a result of a meeting of sperm and egg. Religion is imposed later.
 

Why don't you listen to your own clip? I stopped at 10 seconds. In those 10 seconds, Frankin Graham stated that Muslim identify is passed through the father just as Judaism is passed through the mother.

I don't know the facts about Islam, but I can state that Jewishness is indeed passed through one's mother. So is Franklin Graham wrong in what he stated about how Muslim identity is passed through the father rather than the mother?

If he is not incorrect, than what the heck is your problem? The President's father was a Muslim, and he did give his son a Muslim name. So fill me in if Graham's statement is incorrect.

Of significance, and why I stopped listening at 10 seconds, is what else Graham said, which is that President Obama has accepted Christ as his Savior. This, by definition, makes Obama a Christian.

So what's the real issue here, LOL? Character assassination of Franklin Graham?
 
Color me LOLing.
 
I mean, I really appreciate those who add their humorous comments to add "flavor" to a serious thread, particularly when the post is a trivializing diversion.

Good work!
 

Very interesting. My mother was Jewish, and so I have a right of return to a place I've never been, despite the fact that my mother was a non-practicing Jew.

Seriously, according to you I am Jewish, but I am no more of the Jewish faith than Obama is Muslim. And that takes me to the following comment:

Want to know why Obama is going to win this year? He could have been taken down on the issues. What issues? Here's one. He is about to drop the corporate tax rate to 26%. So what's wrong with that? Because he isn't doing anything about spending. I would say that his fiscal irresponsibility is one issue to attack him on. But (In my best John Belushi voice) NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!! Gotta keep bring up anything that might insinuate that he is a Muslim. This kind of attack on Obama, politically speaking, is..... Hmmm, what's the scientific phrase for that? Ahh, got it. Batpoop insane. This is the year that the GOP was presented with an opportunity to defeat Obama, and managed to shoot themselves in the foot.......

With a machine gun.
 

Franklin Graham needs to lose his tax exempt position if he has one. He has become a spokesperson for the Republican party and his smear campaign based on religion isn't very Christian. He certainly isn't his father's son, he needs to just become a campaign organizer or something along that line. Obama by not reacting to the right's vicious attack on his faith shows more Christianity than all of the Republican candidates who spout off about their faith 24/7 put together.
 
So is Franklin Graham wrong in what he stated about how Muslim identity is passed through the father rather than the mother?
According to what I would suppose is an expert, yes:

According to Edina Lekovic, director of policy at the Muslim Public Affairs Council, being born in a Muslim family doesn't make one a Muslim. A person has to make an active choice to become a Muslim, Lekovic said.

U.S. News - Rev. Graham: Obama seen as 'son of Islam'
If that is indeed the case, and it seems that it is, then once again we find a supposed religious expert/leader (Graham) who really doesn't know much at all about religion.

Of significance, and why I stopped listening at 10 seconds, is what else Graham said, which is that President Obama has accepted Christ as his Savior. This, by definition, makes Obama a Christian. [...]
By your definition perhaps, but not by Graham's definition:

Graham [...] told a Morning Joe panel he couldn't say for certain that Obama is a Christian. “You have to ask him. I cannot answer that question for anybody. All I know is I’m a sinner, and that God has forgiven me of my sins," Graham said. "You have to ask every person. He has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.”

But Graham also said he couldn't "categorically" say Obama wasn't a Muslim, in part, because Islam has gotten a "free pass" under Obama.

U.S. News - Rev. Graham: Obama seen as 'son of Islam'

Then we get this gem, in the same interview:

"I think Newt is a Christian, at least he told me he is," Graham said.

U.S. News - Rev. Graham: Obama seen as 'son of Islam'

So... Obama says he's a Christian, and Graham says maybe (but deep inside we all know he's a Muslim commie fascist).
While Newt says he's a Christian, and Graham says yes.

We all know what's going on here... typical right wing racist/bigot dog whistle. Which means that Graham is no reverend, but a political hack.
 
[...] This is the year that the GOP was presented with an opportunity to defeat Obama, and managed to shoot themselves in the foot.......

With a machine gun.
It's 2008 all over again... Obama is a Rev. Wright-loving Muslim (how the right's mind works in resolving that oxymoron is beyond the comprehension of mere mortals) who supports terrorists and exhibits the additional sin of being black (food stamp president). The GOP base is simply retarded; and I apologize to all those who are involuntarily mentally challenged for insulting them by comparison.

Alternatively, the GOP base is that young woman who, handcuffed, thought she could run away from a police station... except the GOP has already hit itself on the head.
 
Franklin Graham needs to lose his tax exempt position if he has one. He has become a spokesperson for the Republican party and his smear campaign based on religion isn't very Christian. He certainly isn't his father's son, he needs to just become a campaign organizer or something along that line. Obama by not reacting to the right's vicious attack on his faith shows more Christianity than all of the Republican candidates who spout off about their faith 24/7 put together.

What do you mean he isn't his father's son? Billy Graham was one of Regan's biggest supporters, an anti-semite, and politically outspoken... I don't particularly care much assholes like him but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I think if your congregation is above 1000 people, you're a business.
 
What do you mean he isn't his father's son? Billy Graham was one of Regan's biggest supporters, an anti-semite, and politically outspoken... I don't particularly care much assholes like him but the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. I think if your congregation is above 1000 people, you're a business.

spot on assessments
 
Who cares? This was 6 MONTHS AGO, and Obama's definitely not a practicing Muslim. He says he's Christian, whether or not he is, it ain't my business.

If you want a reason not to vote for Obama, there's no shortage of good ones. This ain't one of 'em.
 
My apologies, I didn't realize he said it again. Damn...
 
My apologies, I didn't realize he said it again. Damn...

yep, willy geist and cohort really nailed the ignorant bastard this time
 
Obama's father became an atheist though. What's the Islamic view of being the son of an apostate father?
 
Generally it doesn't matter.

So presumably anyone can be a Muslim if they have a muslim lineage on the paternal side.Say your great grand father is a Muslim but converts to Christianity, his son becomes an atheist, then his grandson becomes a Buddhist, the hypothetical you and the aforementioned predecessors would be born Muslim in the eyes of Islamic teaching?
 
So presumably anyone can be a Muslim if they have a muslim lineage on the paternal side.Say your great grand father is a Muslim but converts to Christianity, his son becomes an atheist, then his grandson becomes a Buddhist, the hypothetical you and the aforementioned predecessors would be born Muslim in the eyes of Islamic teaching?

No.. You'd have to be an uneducated moron like Franklin Graham to hold such a ridiculous belief that Islam was genetic.
 
No.. You'd have to be an uneducated moron like Franklin Graham to hold such a ridiculous belief that Islam was genetic.

Just as I thought. Obama not a Muslim by any metric.
 
No.. You'd have to be an uneducated moron like Franklin Graham to hold such a ridiculous belief that Islam was genetic.

It is always sad to see a son shaming his father's legacy. Franklin Graham would be irrelevant, if not for his Dad. He has done nothing here to create relevance nor to justify the little bit of relevance he has inherited.

That is all a very nice way to say what I should have said far more succinctly: "what an ass"
 
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