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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

ric27 said:
Ok, I'm in.....Here's an honest question.

Obama a Muslim or not...How does this relate as a State of the World and Threat intelligence. What does this mean to the world that is constantly weighing info and developing stances and/or strategies that will benefit/protect them on the world political stage????
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Our muslim-raised president ordered his Administration to remove all references to "radical islam" in it's official communications.

Our muslim-raised president has not yet visited Israel, our only ally in the Middle East.

Our muslim-raised president has described the screeching caterwauling of the muzzerein calling muslims to prayer the "sweetest sound in the world".

Our muslim-raised president has BOWED to the leaders of lesser nations. All nations are lesser nations.

Our muslim-raised president rejects the theory of American exceptionalism. Makes one wonder why he bothered to go into American politics.

Our muslim-raised president sees no adverse symbolism in our enemies raising a monument to martyrdom on the grounds of their martyrs' greatest success, even though the name for the project, Cordoba House, makes it plain the terrorists are perfectly aware of what they're doing there.

Our muslim-raised president sees no problems with the United States remaining dependent on oil from terrorist dominated states, and he even restricted domestic drilling to increase that dependency.

Our muslim-raised president has stood by and allowed the mullahs in Iran to make huge advances in their nuclear weapons and ICBM programs.

That's why it's important to know the truth about the people that get elected.

The LEFT kept harping that old saw about the apple not falling far from the Bush in those elections.

NOW they're going to pretend a man can not be affected by his childhood prejudices?
 
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Crosscheck said:
Total hogwash. No way were the American people going to vote in an aging politican with a vice president with a beauty pagent brain.

Obama will not be successful in cleaning up our problems nor will the next president. If you think you have someone who can clean up decades of corruption and greed in our country in one term you must be a true Palinite.
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So they voted in an incompetent inexperienced muslim with questionable allegiences and a confessed plagiarizer who was owned by the goonions and the credit card companies?

The ISSUES never became the issue in the 2008 campaign. The adulating media could not afford to have the public consider the ISSUES with Obama on the ballot.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Our muslim-raised president ordered his Administration to remove all references to "radical islam" in it's official communications.

Our muslim-raised president has not yet visited Israel, our only ally in the Middle East.

Our muslim-raised president has described the screeching caterwauling of the muzzerein calling muslims to prayer the "sweetest sound in the world".

Our muslim-raised president has BOWED to the leaders of lesser nations. All nations are lesser nations.

Our muslim-raised president rejects the theory of American exceptionalism. Makes one wonder why he bothered to go into American politics.

Our muslim-raised president sees no adverse symbolism in our enemies raising a monument to martyrdom on the grounds of their martyrs' greatest success, even though the name for the project, Cordoba House, makes it plain the terrorists are perfectly aware of what they're doing there.

Our muslim-raised president sees no problems with the United States remaining dependent on oil from terrorist dominated states, and he even restricted domestic drilling to increase that dependency.

Our muslim-raised president has stood by and allowed the mullahs in Iran to make huge advances in their nuclear weapons and ICBM programs.

That's why it's important to know the truth about the people that get elected.

The LEFT kept harping that old saw about the apple not falling far from the Bush in those elections.

NOW they're going to pretend a man can not be affected by his childhood prejudices?
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There's a section you can go to.

Conspiracy Theories

Keep it there.
 
Grant said:
You might not be a believer yourself, Hatuey , and you can certainly believe whatever you want, but the United States was inspired by and founded on Christian principles and philosophies. That should be self evident. If it wasn't there would be no Bill of Rights, Constitution, and all that goes with it. That is what makes the US so different from other nations in the world. It wasn't just a fluke of nature.
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What 'Christian principles and philophies' was our country founded upon? Please show me which 'Christian' principle the first amendment would fall under? What about the second? Any part of the constitution? Better yet, show what part of Christianity was used as a basis for our representative republic? I'll wait.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
There's a section you can go to.

Conspiracy Theories

Keep it there.
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Which of the following facts are you contesting?

That his biological father was muslim?

That his biological father gave him a muslim name?

That Islam views all native sons as muslims?

That Obama's step-father raised the young Barry in a muslim household as a muslim?

That Obama was raised as a child in a muslim nation?

That Obama prayed in a mosque as a muslim when a child?

If it's a "conspiracy" as you claim, identify which of the above facts are not true.
 
Hatuey said:
What 'Christian principles and philophies' was our country founded upon? Please show me which 'Christian' principle the first amendment would fall under? What about the second? Any part of the constitution? Better yet, show what part of Christianity was used as a basis for our representative republic? I'll wait.
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As an atheist I was put my nickel on the "God gave man the freedom to choose between good and evil." Hence the insistence by our Founders that each man have his personal freedom to believe as he chose, and that the government must not have the power to legislate religion.

Because our Founders recognized free will as an essential human freedom, and because the colonies had negative experience with the political alternative, they choose the ancient form of the republic to best guarantee that freedom without permitting the essential anarchy of pure democracy.

Now, freedom of choice isn't unique to Christianity (it's absent from Islam, more complex in Judaism, and there's all those other religions), it was certainly the experience of the Christian and Deist Founders.
 
Got any evidence to show that Mr. Obie, senior, was a jew? A baptist? Perhaps he was a buddhist?
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He was an atheist.

"My father was almost entirely absent from my childhood, having been divorced from my mother when I was 2 years old; in any event, although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition." - Source

Keep in mind that this was written in 2006 before anyone gave a damn about what his father was.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
As an atheist I was put my nickel on the "God gave man the freedom to choose between good and evil." Hence the insistence by our Founders that each man have his personal freedom to believe as he chose, and that the government must not have the power to legislate religion.

Because our Founders recognized free will as an essential human freedom, and because the colonies had negative experience with the political alternative, they choose the ancient form of the republic to best guarantee that freedom without permitting the essential anarchy of pure democracy.

Now, freedom of choice isn't unique to Christianity (it's absent from Islam, more complex in Judaism, and there's all those other religions), it was certainly the experience of the Christian and Deist Founders.
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Here why don't we play with this little quote a little:

"You shall have no other gods before me."

Now tell me, if I tell you that you can't have any other Gods before me in a commandment, what choice am I giving you? No, no. I believe you're running circles trying to explain the progressive ideas at the time. 'God' didn't give really give humanity a choice. If he did then he's not all knowing. A choice would mean that he thought it could go both ways and thus planned in the event of either case. Do you not understand the fallacy in saying that you have a choice when everything you do is already predetermined to end in a precise way regardless of what you do? No, no. Freedom of religion is NOT a Christian idea. It isn't so in the 21st century much less the 16th or 17th century.
 
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Khayembii Communique said:
He was an atheist.

"My father was almost entirely absent from my childhood, having been divorced from my mother when I was 2 years old; in any event, although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition." - Source

Keep in mind that this was written in 2006 before anyone gave a damn about what his father was.
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Right.

That's why Obama got a muslim name.

Makes perfect sense.

Is there some particular reason we should read a man who's writing his own hagiography before he's even accomplished anything in life? Keep in mind that in 2006 he'd never once done anything useful in his whole life. But he's writing autobiographical novels.

OH! I know! You were just trying to show us that a man's childhood upbringing influences his choices later in life.

The allegedly atheist Obama Senior gives Junior his muslim name, that hidden muslim President can't call a radical islamic terrorist a radical islamic terrorist.

Because he was raised muslim.
 
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Hatuey said:
Here why don't we play with this little quote a little:

"You shall have no other gods before me."
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Don't shove! You can have all the gods you want, don't get greedy, I don't want them.

Now tell me, if I tell you that you can't have any other Gods before me in a commandment, what choice am I giving you? No, no. I believe you're running circles trying to explain the progressive ideas at the time. 'God' didn't give really give humanity a choice. If he did then he's not all knowing. A choice would mean that he thought it could go both ways and thus planned in the event of either case. Do you not understand the fallacy in saying that you have a choice when everything you do is already predetermined to end in a precise way regardless of what you do? No, no. Freedom of religion is NOT a Christian idea. It isn't so in the 21st century much less the 16th or 17th century.
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Guess what? You're going to fail your theology class if you're going to argue that the First Suggestion eliminates the concept of free will and divine punishment that permeates the old testament.

But since I'm not a Believer, I'm going to let you make your mistakes anyway you want to.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Right.

That's why Obama got a muslim name.

Makes perfect sense.

Is there some particular reason we should read a man who's writing his own hagiography before he's even accomplished anything in life? Keep in mind that in 2006 he'd never once done anything useful in his whole life. But he's writing autobiographical novels.
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I see what you mean, that would be like an atheist naming their kid Joseph, or Peter, or Mary. We know that just does not happen...
 
Redress said:
I see what you mean, that would be like an atheist naming their kid Joseph, or Peter, or Mary. We know that just does not happen...
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Or, you could provide evidence that little Barry, raised in a muslim household wasn't trained as a muslim.

That's what's really key, here. That the Stalinist Senior Obama lost his first religion in favor of his second, doesn't mean the socialist Junior Obama wasn't raised muslim.

Since he was raised muslim, that pretty much means he was raised muslim.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Or, you could provide evidence that little Barry, raised in a muslim household wasn't trained as a muslim.

That's what's really key, here. That the Stalinist Senior Obama lost his first religion in favor of his second, doesn't mean the socialist Junior Obama wasn't raised muslim.

Since he was raised muslim, that pretty much means he was raised muslim.
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He was not raised in a Muslim household. He was not raised Muslim at all. There is zero evidence he was raised Muslim. You have exactly zero facts to suggest he is Muslim. You have failed to provide even one fact to suggest he is Muslim. He is not a Muslim.
 
Scarecrow said:
Right.

That's why Obama got a muslim name.

Makes perfect sense.
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Um, he was named after his father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr.

This isn't really that difficult to grasp, Scarecrow. Lol you got pwned by 2 seconds of Googling. :D
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Last night while watching 'Lost Gospels' on the science channel this comment of yours came to mind and it made me wonder if you understand anything about other religions that you're not a part of or don't have faith in?

Buddhism, Taoism, Baha'i Faith, Wicca? Have you taken time to learn about any of these before you chose not to believe or follow their teachings?

At what point do you excuse yourself from your own statement?
At what point does knowledge about something become enough for someone to determine that they don't approve, support or want to follow it?
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1. I don't come on here claiming to know and understand those religions or present something as fact when it is not.
2. I am quite familiar with Buddhism and Daoism, living in a country where both are practiced. I am especially familiar with Buddhism as my wife is Buddhist and I teach at a Zen Buddhist high school...
 
damianvincent said:
But his step father who raised him in Islamic schools certainly was also Muslim.
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He did not go to an Islamic school. He went to a secular school and a Catholic school while in Indonesia. I guess that makes him a Catholic then.... sheesh!!!
 
damianvincent said:
Obama himself says in Dreams of my Father that he "attended a Muslim school while living in Indonesia"

Obama attended a Muslim school while living in Indonesia as a child, but it was not madrassa

blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/obamas-inabilit/.../2/
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He attended a PUBLIC school that had a majority Muslim population just like most PUBLIC schools in the United States have majority Christian populations...
 
Moot said:
No, the important point to remember is that Obama was democratically elected by a majority and the losers don't want to recognize that fact. So either you accept our system of government or you don't and apparently you don't.
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You mean like the losers didn't want to accept the fact that Gore lost to Bush???
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Making the huge assumption that Obama was born in Honolulu, what does that have to do with the fact that his father was muslim, he was given a muslim name, he was raised by his stepfather as a muslim, he prayed in a mosque as a muslim, and he dislikes America like any good Indonesian muslim?

Last time I checked, PLACE of birth doesn't confer religion, unless you're lucky enough to have poor minority parents who chose to sleep in cattle feeding equipment.
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I think it is a reference to the Birthers absurd assertion that President Obama was not born in the United States. This Indonesian enrollment form clearly states that he was born in Hawaii. As for his being marked a Muslim, it is common to simply mark the father's religion without actually asking the kid...
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Our muslim-raised president has BOWED to the leaders of lesser nations. All nations are lesser nations.
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Disgusting that he bowed to the king of the KSA, but not all nations are lesser nations. Any and all nations that respect human and political rights and reflect the will of their people are morally equal to all others that share the same values, including the United States...
 
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