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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

If you don't care to fix your own ignorance of Catholicism, don't come on here and spout it out as if it were pure unadulterated fact...

Last night while watching 'Lost Gospels' on the science channel this comment of yours came to mind and it made me wonder if you understand anything about other religions that you're not a part of or don't have faith in?

Buddhism, Taoism, Baha'i Faith, Wicca? Have you taken time to learn about any of these before you chose not to believe or follow their teachings?

At what point do you excuse yourself from your own statement?
At what point does knowledge about something become enough for someone to determine that they don't approve, support or want to follow it?
 
Mr. Graham was making a factual statement.

Lets be honest here.

If Mr. Obama had cajones, he would come out of the closet as a Muslim, like I came out as and out-and-proud gay man. I know the feeling, the hurt and pain people feel when decisions like this are made.

But America would embrace Mr. Obama if he declared his beliefs in Islam and then served as our First Muslim President. I would support that. It shows his love of Islam and his understanding that the nation who voted in the first African-American President is living his principles, living his life as a devoted Muslim.

What Americans will not support is a President who attacks and ridicules Christianity, while supporting and sponsoring extreme Islam around the world.

Mr. Obama needs to come out and be who he is: A Muslim.
 
Lets be honest here.

Bit ironic coming from you isn't it?

If Mr. Obama had cajones, he would come out of the closet as a Muslim

Yeah... except he's not muslim.

What Americans will not support is a President who attacks and ridicules Christianity, while supporting and sponsoring extreme Islam around the world.

Mr. Obama needs to come out and be who he is: A Muslim.[/COLOR]

How has he attacked and ridiculed Christianity.

You have 0 credibility. How does he sponsor extreme Islam?

He's not Muslim.
 
I don't feel he's Muslim, either.

But he is undefined - there's nothing coming from him that really solidified or nails down his beliefs. I honestly feel he doesn't really know - or actually fit in anywhere. . . and mostly because his life is just a confusing mess of different cultures, religions, beliefs and values.
 

If Mr. Obama had cajones, he would come out of the closet as a Muslim.

To come out of the closet about being a Muslim he has to actually be a Muslim. That is slightly hard considering he is not one.
 
That said I don't think he's still a Muslim, He's been sitting in a racist Black Liberation Theology Church for 20+ years, listening to Rev. Wright spout his racist, anti-American rabble.

I do believe what he calls Christianity, 95% of this country wouldn't recognize.
 
But his step father who raised him in Islamic schools certainly was also Muslim.

False:

Fact check:

This article, citing anonymous sources, claimed that "Mr. Obama, 45, spent at least four years in a so-called madrassa, or Muslim seminary, in Indonesia." But this allegation was quickly shown to be false. Days after the article appeared, CNN sent reporter John Vause to Jakarta, Indonesia, to visit the school. He reported:

CNN: I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan. … I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that.
 
all he says is that it's not like an al - Qeada maddrassa, not that it wasn't an Islamic School.

Hell Obama himself admits in his book he attended an Islamic School in Indonesia.

A school consisting mainly of people of the Islamic Faith, not a school based in Islam.

Anyways he spent most of his Elementary School days at a Catholic School.

And take into account that his step-father was barely religious.
 
No it wasn't, it had two parts, one Christian, one Muslim, I'm not saying it was a maddrassa but it was an Islamic based education.

Actually, you are incorrect:

FactCheck.org: Sliming Obama

CNN interviewed the school's deputy headmaster, Hardi Priyono, who said: "This is a public school. We don't focus on religion."

snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

The school Barack Obama attended in Indonesia was "Muslim" primarily in the sense that the preponderance of it's student body where Muslim
 
A school consisting mainly of people of the Islamic Faith, not a school based in Islam.

Anyways he spent most of his Elementary School days at a Catholic School.

And take into account that his step-father was barely religious.

Obama himself says in Dreams of my Father that he "attended a Muslim school while living in Indonesia"

Obama attended a Muslim school while living in Indonesia as a child, but it was not madrassa

blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/obamas-inabilit/.../2/
 
Obama himself says in Dreams of my Father that he "attended a Muslim school while living in Indonesia"

Yes, a school constisting mostly of Muslims. Is it really that hard to understand? The school itself was secular, but the student body for the most part was Muslim.
 
Yes, a school constisting mostly of Muslims. Is it really that hard to understand? The school itself was secular, but the student body for the most part was Muslim.

Here is the record from Obama's enrollment, listing him as a Muslim...

ObamaIndonesia.jpg


Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that."

Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam :: Daniel Pipes
 
Here is the record from Obama's enrollment, listing him as a Muslim...

ObamaIndonesia.jpg


Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that."

Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam :: Daniel Pipes

I believe all students were required to be listed under a religion, so it makes sense for him to choose the one his family practised, still doesn't prove he is a Muslim.
 
Fare enough, believe what you wish, I just don't see a child raised by two Muslim fathers not being raised Muslim, the school aside.
 
Fare enough, believe what you wish, I just don't see a child raised by two Muslim fathers not being raised Muslim, the school aside.

I was raised by Mormons, I'm not a Mormon, the religion of ones childhood is meaningless until one is old enough to understand the religion, and Obama chose Christianity, as evident by him spending 20 years under a controversial preacher, whatever he is now (personally, I think he's non-practising Christian) is not what he was when he was a child.
 
I was raised by Mormons, I'm not a Mormon, the religion of ones childhood is meaningless until one is old enough to understand the religion, and Obama chose Christianity, as evident by him spending 20 years under a controversial preacher, whatever he is now (personally, I think he's non-practising Christian) is not what he was when he was a child.

I wasn't trying to imply it was a big deal. I mentioned earlier that he's been a member of a black liberation theology Church for 20+ years, now their's some controversial stuff.
 
I believe all students were required to be listed under a religion, so it makes sense for him to choose the one his family practised, still doesn't prove he is a Muslim.

According to the faith of 1.5 billion he was born a Muslim. Its really sad this has gone 52 pages and liberals out in full force to deny such a basic fact. It doesn't mean he is now it means as a child according to the faith he was.

The Reverand was dead on.

For all the liberals here. Do you have any Muslim imam denying that he was born a Muslim? Anyone?

This is a special challenge for the ones here claiming to be Muslim.
 
:doh...Can't believe this thread hasn't been locked by now.

The man has stated his religious preference. Whether you think he was born a Muslim and can never change that, or he has converted to Christianity or you don't believe he is a man of faith at all, it's pointless continuing this debate trying to convince people of something they'll never believe no matter what you say.

Maybe Rev. Graham is right. I mean, we all grow up inherintly teathered to one religion or another, if any, as children because of whatever religion our parents are - or were - at our birth. My parents were Christian (well, were; they're both deceased now. My mom kinda shuffled my siblings and me around a bit and thanks mostly to my mom, we kinda went from one religion to the next when I was a young boy, but in the end I choose what religion to follow for myself). It was pretty much the only religion I knew of with some level of familitarity until I was old enough to decide for myself which religion I decide to follow. So, whether the tennants of Islam are as Rev. Graham said or not, we're all brought up in pretty much the same way - teathered to our parent's religion whatever it is until we're old enough to decide for ourselves what religion we choose to follow. I just take offense to the notion that's been eluded to here that a person can't change what religion [in this case, Muslim] he/she decides to follow at any point in their life once they come of age. That's just stupid - in this country anyway.

Now, Mods, end this absurdity, please!
 
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According to the faith of 1.5 billion he was born a Muslim. Its really sad this has gone 52 pages and liberals out in full force to deny such a basic fact. It doesn't mean he is now it means as a child according to the faith he was.

The Reverand was dead on.

For all the liberals here. Do you have any Muslim imam denying that he was born a Muslim? Anyone?

This is a special challenge for the ones here claiming to be Muslim.

Actually ,as has been repeatedly pointed out, by all the standards that Muslims have to be Muslim, he is none of them. So you are wrong.
 
Here is the record from Obama's enrollment, listing him as a Muslim...

ObamaIndonesia.jpg


Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that."

Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam :: Daniel Pipes

The classes where a tiny part of the curriculum, and taught about all 5 religions practiced there.
 
Here is the record from Obama's enrollment, listing him as a Muslim...

ObamaIndonesia.jpg


Weekly religious classes are required for all students, whether Muslims, Christians or Hindus, under the government curriculum. A new shiny mosque is in the corner of the courtyard. "The Muslims learn about Islam, prayer and religious activity," said Hardi Priyono, the vice principal for curriculum. "And for the Christians, during the religious class, they also have a special room teaching Christianity. It's always been like that."

Confirmed: Barack Obama Practiced Islam :: Daniel Pipes
It says Obama was born in Honolulu Hawaii. LOL
 
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