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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

A blog on Jihadwatch is the perfect place to find out what Muslims think....

I only go there cause I hate Muslims man.

I didn't like GOOGLE for the answer, this came up, and had a pertinent answer to the question. No no, I have every hate Islam site on the web sourced and index for my personal Crusade!


The part you missed, here I'll post it WITHOUT the link, so you can read it and not feel dirty:

This is a crucial point, for according to Islamic law an apostate male is not to be put to death if he has not reached puberty (cf. 'Umdat al-Salik o8.2; Hidayah vol. II p. 246). Some, however, hold that he should be imprisoned until he is of age and then "invited" to accept Islam, but officially the death penalty for youthful apostates is ruled out.

Now are you going to provide perhaps some counter to this or just attack the source? Oh wait, no need, obviously it's a bigots source, from a bigot you need not answer.
 
So we got the extremist anti-Islamic point of view on it.

I'm more curious about the extremist Islamic point of view in this case, though.

Dude, Tucker, I just googled for an answer, and the part quoting the Koran was all I cared about... No kidding, that's all that was.

would you prefer I have posted that section of the koran?
 
I only go there cause I hate Muslims man.

I didn't like GOOGLE for the answer, this came up, and had a pertinent answer to the question. No no, I have every hate Islam site on the web sourced and index for my personal Crusade!


The part you missed, here I'll post it WITHOUT the link, so you can read it and not feel dirty:



Now are you going to provide perhaps some counter to this or just attack the source? Oh wait, no need, obviously it's a bigots source, from a bigot you need not answer.

Hey look, yet another straw man. You are on a roll today.
 
Dude, Tucker, I just googled for an answer, and the part quoting the Koran was all I cared about... No kidding, that's all that was.

would you prefer I have posted that section of the koran?

That section doesn't really answer my question, though. It just rules out the death penalty as being the response to his apostacy (is that a word? if not, it should be).

He'd still be viewed as an apostate as per the interpretations I've read.

But I want to know what they actually think about Obama as far as his religious views go.
 
That section doesn't really answer my question, though. It just rules out the death penalty as being the response to his apostacy (is that a word? if not, it should be).

He'd still be viewed as an apostate as per the interpretations I've read.

But I want to know what they actually think about Obama as far as his religious views go.


I found several answers to that, but they are all from bigoted sources, or say things that might imply I think Obama is a Muslim, sorry Tucker I cannot post those anymore.
 
I found several answers to that, but they are all from bigoted sources, or say things that might imply I think Obama is a Muslim, sorry Tucker I cannot post those anymore.

If those are the only sources, then that would mean that the only information on it comes from people who are not muslim who are telling us what muslims believe. Essentially, those sources are just guessing and protraying those guesses as fact.
 
Here, I'll use an ULTRA RIGHT WING SOURCE!

But it is a mistake to conflate his African identity with his Muslim heritage. Senator Obama is half African by birth and Africans can understandably identify with him. In Islam, however, there is no such thing as a half-Muslim. Like all monotheistic religions, Islam is an exclusive faith.

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings. (Some may point to cases in which lesser punishments were ordered — as with some Egyptian intellectuals who have been punished for writings that were construed as apostasy — but those were really instances of supposed heresy, not explicitly declared apostasy as in Senator Obama’s case.)

The New York Times > Log In
 
Here, I'll use an ULTRA RIGHT WING SOURCE!



The New York Times > Log In

and you very well may have, given it was a published opinion piece
let's look at the author's history:
... In May 2008 the New York Times published an opinion piece by Luttwak in which he argued that then-presidential candidate Barack Obama "was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood" and would be considered an "apostate" by the world's Muslims if he were to become president (see Apostasy in Islam).[3] Luttwak was widely criticized for misrepresenting Islamic law, including by the public editor of the Times, Clark Hoyt.[4][5]
Edward Luttwak - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[4] # ^ Ali Eteraz: Obama Islam Smear Changes Stripes
[5] # ^ Hoyt, Clark (June 1, 2008). "Entitled to Their Opinions, Yes. But Their Facts?". The New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/opinion/01pubed.html. Retrieved May 1, 2010.
 
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I believe a Muslim man is allowed to marry a non Muslim woman, but not visa versa of course. Muslims believe all children are born Muslim unless they later convert to something else. Of course you wouldn't do that in a Muslim country, which is what they count on...All Muslims all the time. So since Obama supposedly converted to Chrisianity, he is not a Muslim, but a Christian...if we believe him. Of course he's never lied to us....;)
 
only 46% of DEMOCRATS, according to pew, believe barry when he tells THEM he's christian

Growing Number of Americans Say Obama is a Muslim - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

a time poll, i believe the same day, found pretty much the same

THIS is a problem for our putz of a prez, as well as for members of the party he leads

the fact that 14% FEWER americans and 9% LESS dems believe him today than they did when they first met him is ruefully revealing

this is not so much a problem for the american people

after all, the customer's always right

democracy, y'know

gotta love it
 
I believe a Muslim man is allowed to marry a non Muslim woman, but not visa versa of course. Muslims believe all children are born Muslim unless they later convert to something else. Of course you wouldn't do that in a Muslim country, which is what they count on...All Muslims all the time. So since Obama supposedly converted to Chrisianity, he is not a Muslim, but a Christian...if we believe him. Of course he's never lied to us....;)

Really?

I didn't know Islam was like Judaism and was genetic. Learn new things everyday.

And what does the marriage rules have to do with anything? In a patriarchal society/culture, a man's name is going to be more important.

Common sense. Use it.
 
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Really?

I didn't know Islam was like Judaism and was genetic. Learn new things everyday.

And what does the marriage rules have to do with anything? In a patriarchal society/culture, a man's name is going to be more important.

Common sense. Use it.

All children are born on Al-Fitra (a pure, natural state of submission to Islam). ...
 
All children are born on Al-Fitra (a pure, natural state of submission to Islam). ...

Fitra indicates that human beings are inclined by their inner nature to submit to the Will of God; that it is inherent in human nature to aspire to the supreme good, to perfection, to both outward and inner purification. Fitra is thus a kind of paradigm of the Islamic outlook on life, a state of equilibrium and harmony between the Creator and the created.

Nice try tho.
I'll give you 2/10 on attempts of twisting facts.
 
the more americans get to know barry the less they believe him

including 46% of dems

worry
 
only 46% of DEMOCRATS, according to pew, believe barry when he tells THEM he's christian

Growing Number of Americans Say Obama is a Muslim - Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life

a time poll, i believe the same day, found pretty much the same

THIS is a problem for our putz of a prez, as well as for members of the party he leads

the fact that 14% FEWER americans and 9% LESS dems believe him today than they did when they first met him is ruefully revealing

this is not so much a problem for the american people

after all, the customer's always right

democracy, y'know

gotta love it


The customer, in some cases a high percentage, is a fool. Good thing we have law, because some of your customer's beliefs are a riot, and their general knowledge an embarrassment and a real shame. This is from Gallup, Zogby, and Newsweek:

21 percent of Americans believe there are real sorcerors, conjurers, and warlocks out there

41 percent believed Saddam was involved in 9/11

20 percent of Americans were still sure in 1999 that the sun revolved around the Earth

Barely half of Americans were correctly able to state that Judaism was older than both Christianity and Islam. Another 41 percent weren't sure

More than three quarters of Americans could name at least two of the seven dwarfs, while not quite a quarter could name two members of the Supreme Court

Sixty-three percent of young Americans can't find Iraq on a map, despite the ongoing U.S involvement there. Nine out of 10 can't find Afghanistan—even if you give them the advantage of a map limited to Asia. And more than a third of Americans of any age can't identify the continent that's home to the Amazon River

The majority of Americans—three in four—can correctly identify Larry, Curly, and Moe as the Three Stooges. Only two out of five respondents, however, can correctly identify the executive, legislative, and judicial branches as the three wings of government.

41 percent believe in ESP, 32 percent in ghosts, and a quarter in astrology


Dumb Things Americans Believe - Newsweek
 
The customer, in some cases a high percentage, is a fool.

more power to you, but i wouldn't try leading the idiots on such a platform

look where it's gotten obama
 
more power to you, but i wouldn't try leading the idiots on such a platform

look where it's gotten obama

Some of Obama's problems are self created, like the continuing escalation of the debt and health care, but some are ridiculous political attacks that have caught on, like the claims of his muslimness (haha) and his birth country.

The biggest problem he has is the bad economy, which was bad when he was sworn in. If the economy were good people wouldn't have time to be 'birthers' and 'muslimers.'
 
The biggest problem he has is the bad economy, which was bad when he was sworn in. If the economy were good people wouldn't have time to be 'birthers' and 'muslimers.'

Birthers wouldve been around regardless. His name sounds funny, if his name was Carl Johnson there would be less of them but still be around.
 
If the economy were good people wouldn't have time to be 'birthers' and 'muslimers.'

it's not

good, that is

i wonder why so many americans don't believe barry's professions of faith

y'know, something so personal...

oh, well

it is what it is

the economy

and the man

people don't seem much to like him anymore

that's gotta be a problem---to somebody
 
Obama is not and have never been a Muslim.
Unless he took the declaration of faith and proceeded to follow the pillars. If he did do that, then yes he is now a Ex Muslim turned Christian ...
.... but he didn't do that. :roll:

And if he did do that, there would probably be a fatwa out on him from some radical corner of the Middle East...

His school registration card in Indonesia did have him marked as a Muslim, I understand, but that may have been because his step-father was a Muslim. I don't know if this is still the case, but before in Indonesia, all students had one of the five official religions marked on school registration cards...
 
Nice try tho.
I'll give you 2/10 on attempts of twisting facts.

Every Child is Born Muslim
The Prophet Muhammad said, "No babe is born but upon Fitra (as a Muslim). It is his parents who make him a Jew or a Christian or a Polytheist." (Sahih Muslim, Book 033, Number 6426)

Islam is the religion of all Prophets, Adam to Muhammad. Children are not born out of any sin, original, inherited or derived. They are born on the religion of their nature, i.e., Islam.


Believe It or Not: You were Born Muslim!
Believe It or Not: You were Born Muslim!


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i wonder why so many americans don't believe barry's professions of faith

Yeah, the electorate is fickle and ignorant in surprisingly large numbers. And some are dishonest and unChristian-like, like this guy Graham.

I think it's strange that some people voted for George W. Bush because they were sure he was a Christian. But what a mess a President can make, Christian or not.

But, yeah, politically this is bad for Obama. Maybe that'll change by 2012, maybe not.
 
Yeah, the electorate is fickle and ignorant in surprisingly large numbers

54% of dems IS a surprisingly large number

9% more members of the party of jackson disbelieve the putz' personal professions than they did when he was relatively a stranger to them, 14% of americans in general

the more our neighbors, friends and fellow workers see of this guy, the more they doubt

empirically

party on!
 
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