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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

LOL So you admit the Muslim faith believes children are born Muslim.

Thank you for making my point :)

if you have kids, do you look foward to them been Muslims?

what you failed to read is that that it is saying that all children are born close to God, Christianity believes the same thing, it is the decisions that the children make that determine whether their religion is Islam or not, is your comprehension that bad or are you making a special effort today?
 
So Islam believes all children are born Muslim.

That would include Obama would it not? Thank you for admitting it :)

Every child in the world is born in a state of fitra.
It doesn't make them Muslim but puts them into that path.
What happens is that they are born into Christian, Jewish, non Muslim families and they lose that state.

Being a Muslim requires the 5 pillars.
 
if you have kids, do you look foward to them been Muslims?

what you failed to read is that that it is saying that all children are born close to God, Christianity believes the same thing, it is the decisions that the children make that determine whether their religion is Islam or not, is your comprehension that bad or are you making a special effort today?

I wouldn't bother.
He will never understand, he is one of those who thinks all Muslims are secret ninja's on a mission by God to overrule this world and over take US.
 
No, she actually understands that the Qur'an cannot be looked at in a vacuum. Neither can the Bible or any other religious text. I can pull all kinds of awful things out of the Bible that make Christians look like bloodthirsty killers when viewed out of context and without the proper cultural background. Cherry-picking like you have done does nothing but makes you look silly.

What did I cherry pick? Do you even understand the entire purpose of this conversation is to discover how Islam views children?

She has produced no links at all to back up her claims. None. Yet you accept what she said on faith. How does that make for a good debate?
 
You'll thank me in the long run when I take it away, cut down on your heart attacks and what not from eating pigs. They are such dirty animals anyway.

When I trick my way to your Presidency pretending to be a Christian when I clearly am not and start implementing Sharia law to subjugate all of you. I promise to leave your alcohol alone.

And who says we Muslims aren't fair? I take one away, I give you another.
Hon, my arteries are gonna be blocked whether I eat pork or not, thanks to my genes.

Tell you what, let me keep my bacon and you can have all of Congress. They're all useless anyway.
 
I wouldn't bother.
He will never understand, he is one of those who thinks all Muslims are secret ninja's on a mission by God to overrule this world and over take US.

You've already admitted Muslims believe all children are born Muslim even though you claimed earlier that was not true.

Your lack of knowledge in your own alleged faith shines through. Thanks for finally admitting you were wrong.
 
That's one of those super-secret Muslim crosses. Only 33rd-degree Muslims know about them. Other than me, that is.
wrong. clearly, Obama is a jew [/sarcasm]

obamaasajew.jpg
 
Every child in the world is born in a state of fitra.
It doesn't make them Muslim but puts them into that path.
What happens is that they are born into Christian, Jewish, non Muslim families and they lose that state.

Being a Muslim requires the 5 pillars.

You just admitted all children are born Muslim. Now you are backtracking because you didn't bother to think about that statement.

It certainly says a lot about your character on this issue.

I provided the links, you provided nothing but your own opinion. Clearly you were not versed on this issue.
 
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Laila...totally just out of curiosity-no points to prove...have you ever been to the middle east? Where is your family from?

Family is from Somaliland. We originate from Horn of Africa.
And yes I have been to ME before and I planned to go Saudi Arabia this year for Umrah but couldn't. Inshallah, I'll go next year.
 
You've already admitted Muslims believe all children are born Muslim even though you claimed earlier that was not true.

Your lack of knowledge in your own alleged faith shines through. Thanks for finally admitting you were wrong.
ok tex, show us some evidence that proves someone born to a muslim father cannot choose to follow the Christian faith by their own volition
 
Thanks for finally admitting you were wrong.

I'm never wrong on my religion.

Using your logic, you are a Muslim.
So is everyone else on this board even tho they have done nothing to retain the title of Muslim.
Obama is a Christian.
He doesn't pray, he eats ... *shudders* pork, drinks alcohol, doesn't cover his wife *tuts*
And he can never perform the last pillar of Islam which is go Mecca as Saudi Arabia would never let him in as he NEEDS TO BE MUSLIM.
 
if you have kids, do you look foward to them been Muslims?

what you failed to read is that that it is saying that all children are born close to God, Christianity believes the same thing, it is the decisions that the children make that determine whether their religion is Islam or not, is your comprehension that bad or are you making a special effort today?

If you understood other faiths you would know they have rituals to welcome them into their faith. Baptism leaps to mind :D
 
What did I cherry pick?
When didn't you?
Do you even understand the entire purpose of this conversation is to discover how Islam views children?
No, it seems the whole point of the conversation is to prove that you are right because you can cut and paste an argument.
She has produced no links at all to back up her claims. None. Yet you accept what she said on faith. How does that make for a good debate?
Debate is not what you are after, I'm afraid.
 
ok tex, show us some evidence that proves someone born to a muslim father cannot choose to follow the Christian faith by their own volition

Uh Bubba, I've already said Obama is a Christian now. Thanks for once again not reading the thread before making a statement.
 
ok tex, show us some evidence that proves someone born to a muslim father cannot choose to follow the Christian faith by their own volition

There is none.
But don't expect it from him.
 
You just admitted all children are born Muslim. Now you are backtracking because you didn't bother to think about that statement.

It certainly says a lot about your character on this issue.

I provided the links, you provided nothing but your own opinion. Clearly you were not versed on this issue.

and you're refusing to see that though it says all children are born Muslim, that has nothing to do with their heritage, which is the topic of this discussion, it doesn't say "all the children of Muslims" it's all children, absolutely nothing to do with lineage.
 
When didn't you?

So you can't back it up. Got it.

No, it seems the whole point of the conversation is to prove that you are right because you can cut and paste an argument.Debate is not what you are after, I'm afraid.

You can't even debate the point of the thread. The statement the Reverand made was that Obama was born a muslim and later converted.

It is 100% factual. Its too bad you didn't actually read the thread or the OP.
 
Uh Bubba, I've already said Obama is a Christian now. Thanks for once again not reading the thread before making a statement.

then you have offered us the proof that you, yourself appear to be seeking
thank you ... and you are welcome (spoken to each face)
 
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and you're refusing to see that though it says all children are born Muslim, that has nothing to do with their heritage, which is the topic of this discussion, it doesn't say "all the children of Muslims" it's all children, absolutely nothing to do with lineage.

LOL No its not the topic. Read the OP. He said Obama was born a Muslim and converted to Christianity. How is that false?
 
Family is from Somaliland. We originate from Horn of Africa.
And yes I have been to ME before and I planned to go Saudi Arabia this year for Umrah but couldn't. Inshallah, I'll go next year.

Well I hope you get the chance next year. Ive been to 13 different muslim countries...3 places in Saudi...dont really feel the need to go back. Some were great experiences...others...well...every experience is a good experience...right? We are planning a trip to UAE Dubai next year.
 
then you have offered us the proof that you, yourself appear to be seeking
thank you ... and you are welcome (spoken to each face)

Only one face Bubba. Next time just read the whole thread :)
 
Hon, my arteries are gonna be blocked whether I eat pork or not, thanks to my genes.

Tell you what, let me keep my bacon and you can have all of Congress. They're all useless anyway.

Tough bargain.
I'll let you keep the bacon ... IF ... you let have the Harry Potter theme park (what can I say? I'm easy)

Congress will also be a nice bonus tho.
 
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