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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

And JFK was a Catholic.
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And a big deal was made of it at the time. Still today, he has been the only Catholic POTUS. VP Biden is the only Catholic VPOTUS. Remember when Clarence Thomas was nominated to the Supreme Court? Some liberals, notably Va Gov. Wilder made comments that because he went to a Catholic school he was somehow beholden to the Pope, despite the fact that he isn't even Catholic.

Is Obama Muslim? I don't believe so. Was he "born" Muslim? I don't know, but Muslims do generally believe that if your parents (or male parent) is Muslim, then you are and if you leave the faith you commit apostacy, which is punishable by death.
 
I agree, but then why do you think he wrote the book, Dreams of my Father?

The idea behind that book was him being able to do something his father failed to do, graduate from Harvard.
 
I can't believe people still believe this. Obama went to a public school for the first half of his Elementary education, and he went to a Catholic School for the second half. He never went to an Islamic School.

That is true. In a way, it was an Islamic school, because it was government run, and Indonesia is an Islamic nation. However, all faiths go to those schools. They are not madrassas. LOL.
 
Also "Barry" went to an Islamic School in Indonesia, so if his "father" hadn't "blessed him as a Muslim" as per the laws and rules, his time there did.

No, he did NOT go to an Islamic school in Indonesia. He spent three years at a Catholic school and one year at a public school (which is secular).
 
That is true. In a way, it was an Islamic school, because it was government run, and Indonesia is an Islamic nation. However, all faiths go to those schools. They are not madrassas. LOL.

Indonesia recognizes FIVE official religions, of which Islam is the majority. The schools themselves are secular. That is like saying U.S. public schools are Christian schools because a majority of Americans are Christian or that Taiwanese schools are Buddhist-Daoist because most Taiwanese are a fusion of Buddhist and Daoist... really silly argument...

And the nation itself is not Islamic, especially at the time Obama was there. The government then was very much a secular one.
 
You're so very wrong on that one. Do you know, exactly, how wrong you are? Or, are you one of those folks that believes that Jews are a religion and Muslims are a race? How stupid would that be?

All I know is that I have provided evidence that your claim is wrong. If you care to dispute the evidence then do so, because your ad hominem attack doesn't mean or prove anything.
 
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Indonesia recognizes FIVE official religions, of which Islam is the majority. The schools themselves are secular. That is like saying U.S. public schools are Christian schools because a majority of Americans are Christian or that Taiwanese schools are Buddhist-Daoist because most Taiwanese are a fusion of Buddhist and Daoist... really silly argument...

And the nation itself is not Islamic, especially at the time Obama was there. The government then was very much a secular one.

I stand corrected. Thank you, professor. :mrgreen:
 
Umm.. and some people complain that Islam is misunderstood...

Not trying to be a jerk to Catholics or anything but was rather making a point.

No matter how he answered, I could have concluded that he wasn't a real Christian because he doesn't do, what one sect of Christianity does.
 
That's not even close to what he's referring to. Jews are a race, not a religion. Islam is a religion. That's why I can't understand how Libbos think that disliking Muslims is racism.

You are wrong. The original Jews are Semites, and guess what? Arabs are also Semites. The original Jews and Arabs are of the same race, the Semitic race. As for today's Jews? You will find that a lot of different races are Jews. My own mother was not Semitic, but was a European Jew. She was Jewish because one of her ancestors converted to Judaism a few hundred years ago. You will even find that there are black Jews, like Sammy Davis Jr. was.

Judaism is a religion, which like Christianity, or even Islam, is practiced by many races. Or would you really believe that Christianity is a race too? If that is the case, then there are a lot of black guys here in America wondering how the hell they ended up with all those white relatives. :mrgreen:
 
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This thread is basically a variation on the birther standard tactic "I am not saying he is a Muslim, but...". Really, the mindless **** people come up with to try and add negatives to Obama is hilarious. It's like all the "Messiah", "The Obama" crap, trying to paint people as worshipers of him, when those "worshipers" criticize him more than those who mindlessly bitch about everything he does. This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with politics in this country.


Nice dodge... now anyone that mentions Obama and Islam is a BIRTHER!!!

Run and hide Redress.
 
I think you make a good point, because all monotheistic religions believe in the one true God. The only difference is in the way different religions choose to practice their faith in him/her.

well no my point was to ridicule the thread, but if you read more into it, all is good. jehovah, allah and yahweh are all equally impotent (punny me).

My point was that the entire concept of trying to smear a person - regardless of the who or what that person is - because of the perceived faults of his sperm donor is ludicrous.
 
You are wrong. The original Jews are Semites, and guess what? Arabs are also Semites. The original Jews and Arabs are of the same race, the Semitic race. As for today's Jews? You will find that a lot of different races are Jews. My own mother was not Semitic, but was a European Jew. She was Jewish because one of her ancestors converted to Judaism a few hundred years ago. You will even find that there are black Jews, like Sammy Davis Jr. was.

Judaism is a religion, which like Christianity, or even Islam, is practiced by many races. Or would you really believe that Christianity is a race too? If that is the case, then there are a lot of black guys here in America wondering how the hell they ended up with all those white relatives. :mrgreen:

You sir are an anti-semite swine!

btw, I have a bridge in New York I want to sell.. interested? :)

And yes just to be sure.. it is all sarcastic as I agree fully with the post!
 
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Nice dodge... now anyone that mentions Obama and Islam is a BIRTHER!!!

Run and hide Redress.

Apparently the word "variation" went over your head. Nice straw man though.
 
What a disgusting thing for an educated Christian to say. The entire Christian religion is based on the notion of "accepting Christ" thus precluding the notion that one can inherit God.
 
Oh your God!!!! Obanana aer musselum!!!! Inpreach him imedaitely!!!1

You guys seriously need to quit it with this ****ing disingenuous bull****. There’s hardly a dearth of legitimate complaints about the president, so quit hysterically aggrandizing non-issues into “OBAMA IS THE NAZI/SOCIALIST/MUSLIM ANTICHRIST!!!1!!” You’re only discrediting valid criticism by diluting it with these puerile theatrics. If you aren’t smart enough to levy arguments against his ****ty policies, or funny enough to elicit a laugh with your mockery, please quit your bloviating and STFU.

Prodding people in the amygdala may be easier and more effective than cogently representing your views, but it also prevents you from consolidating into a single purpose. Instead of making progress towards what you actually want, all you manage to do is exhaust yourselves disempowering the opposition and let parasitic special interests prey on both sides in the confusion.
 
Not trying to be a jerk to Catholics or anything but was rather making a point.

No matter how he answered, I could have concluded that he wasn't a real Christian because he doesn't do, what one sect of Christianity does.

But we don't pray to Mary... sorry, I am not going to let that slide...
 
You sir are an anti-semite swine!

btw, I have a bridge in New York I want to sell.. interested? :)

And yes just to be sure.. it is all sarcastic as I agree fully with the post!

Interesting choice of words given the dietary rules of Judaism and Islam...
 
What are hail marys?

Hail Mary
Full of Grace
The Lord is With Thee
Blessed art thou among women
and Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, Mother of God
Pray for us sinners
Now and at the hour of our death,
AMEN!

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Hmm... when we say the Hail Mary, we are thanking her for following God's plan and asking her to pray on our behalf to God,.. just as a Protestant may ask a friend to pray on their behalf...
 
Hail Mary
Full of Grace
The Lord is With Thee
Blessed art thou among women
and Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus
Holy Mary, Mother of God
Pray for us sinners
Now and at the hour of our death,
AMEN!

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Hmm... when we say the Hail Mary, we are thanking her for following God's plan and asking her to pray on our behalf to God,.. just as a Protestant may ask a friend to pray on their behalf...

Why not pray to God himself? And why would mary have any special pull? I've never understood Mary veneration
 
Why not pray to God himself? And why would mary have any special pull? I've never understood Mary veneration

We believe any and all of the Saints are in Heaven and thus have contact with God. Similar to our Litany of the Saints. Don't you ask your friends to pray for you? And BTW, we DO pray directly to God. Asking others to pray for us does not change that fact... And as for Mary Veneration, are you going to deny her special place in the Salvation story?
 
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