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The Rev. Franklin Graham Says President Obama was 'Born a Muslim'

Empty words. If you are going to make a statement like that be ready to support it with factual backing.
Isn't the empircal evidence of Franklyn Graham's statements, enough factual backing for you? Graham, as well as many other outspoken Evangelical Christians seem to know more about Islam than they do about the teachings of Christ.
 
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Amazing, you are afraid to discuss the issue cause it's not PC to discuss Obama and Islam

Did I e-stutter? Cause that's not even remotely close to what I said.

well atleast if you aren't slamming anyone trying to admit Obama has Islamic Roots in his past.

No, but it's like pointing out that Bush used to be an alcoholic - it's in the past, it doesn't have anything to do with the current situation, and it's primarily noted by those who want to bring it up in order to attack the people involved. It's petty bull**** that adds nothing to the debate.
 

That's only according to a strict interpretation of Islam.
Not all Muslims follow that.

Also "Barry" went to an Islamic School in Indonesia, so if his "father" hadn't "blessed him as a Muslim" as per the laws and rules, his time there did.

No he didn't.

He went to a public school in a majority Muslim country.
His step father happened to work with an oil company operating off the shores of Indonesia.

snopes.com: Who Is Barack Obama?

Is he one now, not according to him, and that's that. Does it matter in the grand scheme? No, but it is fair game for discussion. People like you get so scared about being labeled an "Islamiphobe" you refuse to have honest discussions on the issue.

No I'm not but why does it matter?
What purpose does this serve and how can anything meaningful come out of this?
 
Why is it relevant in the slightest what god may or may not have potentially resided in Obama Sr's sperm?

Does Allah infected sperm pass tainted chromosomes?
 
This thread is basically a variation on the birther standard tactic "I am not saying he is a Muslim, but...". Really, the mindless **** people come up with to try and add negatives to Obama is hilarious. It's like all the "Messiah", "The Obama" crap, trying to paint people as worshipers of him, when those "worshipers" criticize him more than those who mindlessly bitch about everything he does. This thread is a perfect example of what is wrong with politics in this country.
 
That's not even close to what he's referring to. Jews are a race, not a religion. Islam is a religion. That's why I can't understand how Libbos think that disliking Muslims is racism.
I think even the Jewish jury is still out on that one, but I think the consensus is that Jews are not a race.

Judaism 101: What Is Judaism?

What Is "Jewish?"
 
I think even the Jewish jury is still out on that one, but I think the consensus is that Jews are not a race.

Judaism 101: What Is Judaism?

What Is "Jewish?"

Jews are largely an ethnic group with some characteristics of a separate race.
There are genetic diseases that show up almost only in Jews.

On the ethnic front there is disagreement on, what is and is not, a Jew as well.
Rabbinical doctrine states that a Jew is born of a Jewish woman but by the Torah they chronicle it by the fathers (The sons of Abraham, Issac and Jacob.)
 
Why is it relevant in the slightest what god may or may not have potentially resided in Obama Sr's sperm?

Does Allah infected sperm pass tainted chromosomes?
I think you make a good point, because all monotheistic religions believe in the one true God. The only difference is in the way different religions choose to practice their faith in him/her.
 
His father was also a communist, alcoholic, and already married when he begot Obama.

Maybe Pew can do a poll, ABC can write an article, and leftists can set their hair on fire while attacking the right over that too.

Better yet, maybe Hillary could get you a reset button. :)

Seriously, he has no one to blame for this but himself. Actions speak louder than words.

If I was asked, I would have to say I don't know what his preference is.
 
His father was also a communist, alcoholic, and already married when he begot Obama.

He also had nothing to do with Obama's childhood beyond his name. I doubt Obama even has a single memory of his father beyond the one visit he had with him when he was 10.
 
I think even the Jewish jury is still out on that one, but I think the consensus is that Jews are not a race.

Judaism 101: What Is Judaism?

What Is "Jewish?"

You're so very wrong on that one. Do you know, exactly, how wrong you are? Or, are you one of those folks that believes that Jews are a religion and Muslims are a race? How stupid would that be?
 
He also had nothing to do with Obama's childhood beyond his name. I doubt Obama even has a single memory of his father beyond the one visit he had with him when he was 10.

I agree, but then why do you think he wrote the book, Dreams of my Father?
 
Even if this is 100% true, what's the point in talking about it? Exactly what is he hoping to accomplish?

Fear.. It is fearmongering.

Wanted to say that I have always had a lot of respect for Billy Graham and feel he is a great man.
 
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You know, I have a huge problem with the way Franklin Graham presented this.

1) First of all, he had an attitude of "If this is what Obama says, then it must be true", rather than just saying Obama was not a Muslim. The way he framed his answer left a question.

2) What Ghadafi believes is not even relevant here. Franklin didn't even need to bring that up. Why did he?

3) Religion is not a condition brought about by genetics. It is a choice. Barack Obama has never been a Muslim, period. His father may have been Muslim, but he abandoned his family as soon as Barack was born. Please tell me how that makes Obama born a Muslim. It doesn't.

4) Finally, in saying that he believed that Obama renounced Islam, Graham told a lie. Obama never had to renounce Islam because he was never Islamic.

What kind of Christianity does Graham practice, when he clearly casts dispersion on another Christian? Christ did say one thing, though - That we would know of someone by the fruits he bears. And the fruit that Graham has beared, in his interview, is rotten. But what can one expect, when you have a preacher like Graham, who is known for "comforting the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable"? It is a weak Christianity, which the Bible just happens to address. The church in Laodicea, in Revelations, certainly comes to mind here.

The Word of God said:
because you are lukewarm, neither cold nor hot, I will spew you out of my mouth.

Mr. Graham - Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
 
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You know, I have a huge problem with the way Franklin Graham presented this.

1) First of all, he had an attitude of "If this is what Obama says, then it must be true", rather than just saying Obama was not a Muslim. The way he framed his answer left a question.

2) What Ghadafi believes is not even relevant here. Franklin didn't even need to bring that up. Why did he?

3) Religion is not a condition brought about by genetics. It is a choice. Barack Obama has never been a Muslim, period. His father may have been Muslim, but he abandoned his family as soon as Barack was born. Please tell me how that makes Obama born a Muslim. It doesn't.

4) Finally, in saying that he believed that Obama renounced Islam, Graham told a lie. Obama never had to renounce Islam because he was never Islamic.

What kind of Christianity does Graham practice, when he clearly casts dispersion on another Christian? Christ did say one thing, though - That we would know of someone by the fruits he bears. And the fruit that Graham has beared, in his interview, is rotten. But what can one expect, when you have a preacher like Graham, who is known for "comforting the afflicted without afflicting the comfortable"? It is a weak Christianity, which the Bible just happens to address. The church in Laodicea, in Revelations, certainly comes to mind here.



Mr. Graham - Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

You are biblically ignorant.
 
President Obama's not a Muslim! He's Gargamel, and he's killing all the Smurfs!
 
You are biblically ignorant.

Wow that was quite a rebuttal there. Let me see what I have in response. You are a poopy head? Nah, overdone. At least I am happy to see that you have renounced Satan Worship.

See my point yet? I slandered you in this thread, just like Franklin Graham slandered Obama.

And for the record, if you say you don't worship Satan, I believe you, if that's what you say. :mrgreen:
 
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That's not even close to what he's referring to. Jews are a race, not a religion. Islam is a religion. That's why I can't understand how Libbos think that disliking Muslims is racism.

I would say it's being bigoted and small minded, even if its not racism. You could possibly be racist against middle easterners, of course.
 
What's far more important is what THEY believe you believe they believe.

No, what's most important is what YOU believe that they believe that you believe that they believe.... :mrgreen:
 
It doesn't matter what he was born. I was born and baptized Catholic but I am not a Catholic. I don't practice the religion, I don't go to Church, I dislike the Pope, and I am pretty much as far from being Christian as one can get.

Most Catholics would simply refer to you as a "non-practicing Catholic" in this case...
 
You need to read up on the faith of Islam. Sons are born into the faith by their fathers. Its in the Qur'an, not something you can judge for yourself. As Graham said, he's renounced that faith for Christianity but it doesn't change the facts.

Then why hasn't there been a fatwa issued on the President, yet?
 
Also "Barry" went to an Islamic School in Indonesia, so if his "father" hadn't "blessed him as a Muslim" as per the laws and rules, his time there did.

No, the only way you convert to Islam is by saying the Declaration of Faith. As he's never done so, he never converted.
 
Also "Barry" went to an Islamic School in Indonesia, so if his "father" hadn't "blessed him as a Muslim" as per the laws and rules, his time there did.
I can't believe people still believe this. Obama went to a public school for the first half of his Elementary education, and he went to a Catholic School for the second half. He never went to an Islamic School.
 
"[Before taking office], I had a habit of praying every night before I go to bed. I pray all the time now," Obama laughed. "Because I've got a lot of stuff on my plate, and I need guidance all the time."

I hear that!

Praying is all very well, be so much better if he (obama) listened.
 
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