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Nearly 1 in 5 Americans Thinks Obama Is Muslim, Survey Shows

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How badly will they be treated by their countrymen, because they betrayed Islam and aided the infadels?

So they are brave Muslims. That does not discount what they are doing.
 
There's notthing historically accurate about any of those comments...lol!

What a load of nonsense.

The Branch davidians started the fire that killed them.

I really don't know who offed timothy McVeigh.

Hitler killed himself and the Russians won that war on the Eastern front.

It was liberals who defeated the KKK (back then, there were conservative, liberal and moderate branches in both political parties).

You seem to think that someone other than the Northerners defeated the confederacy (since you claim that nothing I said was historically accurate :lol:) so please tell me which third party won that particular war.

And if not for the French, we'd all be having some tea and crumpetts right now. The American Revolution was really won by the French. Did you really buy the bull**** story that a bunch of upstarts could defeat the world's greatest superpower at the time?
 
People in this thread need to stop equating believing Obama is a muslim and being a birther, they are two completely different things.
 
So they are brave Muslims. That does not discount what they are doing.

I never discounted it. I only pointed out how they will be treated by the majority of their fellow Muslims.
 
Show me the good.

"Under the millet system, non-Muslim people were considered subjects of the Empire, but were not subject to the Muslim faith or Muslim law."

"The Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II allowed the local Christians to stay in Constantinople after conquering the city in 1453, and to retain their institutions such as the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate."

"In 1461 Sultan Mehmed II established the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople. Previously, the Byzantines considered the Armenian Church as heretical and thus did not allow them to build churches inside the walls of Constantinople."

"In 1492, when the Muslims and Sephardic Jews were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition, the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II sent his fleet under Kemal Reis to save them and granted the refugees the right to settle in the Ottoman Empire."

"Similar millets were established for the Ottoman Jewish community, who were under the authority of the Haham Başı or Ottoman Chief Rabbi;"

Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Totaly different subject. Nice try at putting words into my mouth. But, since you brought it up; who was it that swooped in the protect all those Muslims from being slaughtered by the Bosnian Serbs? Was it, Christians, perhaps?

I was there, so we can get into detail. Granted, we weren't allowed to go full bore on the Serbs, because we had a ***** for a president and an even bigger ***** for a theater commander, but, we were there to protect Muslims from being genocided.

We were mostly successful. If not for the presence of the mostly Christian United States Army, there may have been millions of Muslims killed, rather than a hundred thousand.

Well you accuse one group of doing harm and use that to wipe away all the good that had existed before, so I get to have fun and cut up your arguments like that.

Enjoy it or approach this subject from a level headed point of view.
 
Pastors who pray with Obama say he's a devout Christian - Politics AP - MiamiHerald.com

Pastor Joel Hunter of Northland Church near Orlando, Fla. .... described the president's call to him earlier this summer when he learned that Hunter's granddaughter had brain cancer.
"He said, 'Remember now, the Lord's with you,' " Hunter recalled. "He became my pastor for just a conversation. It was very genuine, very personal and very much at his initiative. It's one of those glimpses no one else is able to see, and if they were it wouldn't even be a question" of his faith.
 
What a load of nonsense.

The Branch davidians started the fire that killed them.

I really don't know who offed timothy McVeigh.

Hitler killed himself and the Russians won that war on the Eastern front.

It was liberals who defeated the KKK (back then, there were conservative, liberal and moderate branches in both political parties).

You seem to think that someone other than the Northerners defeated the confederacy (since you claim that nothing I said was historically accurate :lol:) so please tell me which third party won that particular war.

And if not for the French, we'd all be having some tea and crumpetts right now. The American Revolution was really won by the French. Did you really buy the bull**** story that a bunch of upstarts could defeat the world's greatest superpower at the time?

But, they were all Christians. That seems to be the point you're avoiding.

And if not for the French, we'd all be having some tea and crumpetts right now. The American Revolution was really won by the French. Did you really buy the bull**** story that a bunch of upstarts could defeat the world's greatest superpower at the time?

Now that is revisionist history! Wars are won on land, not in the air, or at sea. Even moreso in the 18th Century. The French didn't put boots on the ground, until 1780...5 years into the war.
 
I never discounted it. I only pointed out how they will be treated by the majority of their fellow Muslims.

No, you commented on how they would be treated by the radical muslims. Most of the Muslims in Afghanistan just want to get through each day without becoming a collateral damage statistic.
 
i'm sorry, how you condemn something with actions? what action did you do that condemned 911?

How many Muslims took the field to destroy al-Qaeda? Care to list them? All I saw was talk after 9/11.
 
Pastors who pray with Obama say he's a devout Christian - Politics AP - MiamiHerald.com

Pastor Joel Hunter of Northland Church near Orlando, Fla. .... described the president's call to him earlier this summer when he learned that Hunter's granddaughter had brain cancer.
"He said, 'Remember now, the Lord's with you,' " Hunter recalled. "He became my pastor for just a conversation. It was very genuine, very personal and very much at his initiative. It's one of those glimpses no one else is able to see, and if they were it wouldn't even be a question" of his faith.

He's so Christian he authored a bill in the Illinois house to allow babies born alive who were intended for abortions to not get medical treatment. Not a Christian bone in a body who would do that.
 
Pastors who pray with Obama say he's a devout Christian - Politics AP - MiamiHerald.com

Pastor Joel Hunter of Northland Church near Orlando, Fla. .... described the president's call to him earlier this summer when he learned that Hunter's granddaughter had brain cancer.
"He said, 'Remember now, the Lord's with you,' " Hunter recalled. "He became my pastor for just a conversation. It was very genuine, very personal and very much at his initiative. It's one of those glimpses no one else is able to see, and if they were it wouldn't even be a question" of his faith.

He's so Christian he authored a bill in the Illinois house to allow babies born alive who were intended for abortions to not get medical treatment. Not a Christian bone in a body who would do that.
 
No, you commented on how they would be treated by the radical muslims. Most of the Muslims in Afghanistan just want to get through each day without becoming a collateral damage statistic.

Perhaps if they worked, together, to destroy the Taliban, they wouldn't have to worry about becoming a collateral damage statistic.

If, "most Muslims", are good guys, as you love to pretend, then why is the Taliban allowed to exist?
 
But, they were all Christians. That seems to be the point you're avoiding.

And I'm sure you have proof that not only were they ALL Christians but that the deciding factor of those involved was Christianity.

Put up or shut up
 
"Under the millet system, non-Muslim people were considered subjects of the Empire, but were not subject to the Muslim faith or Muslim law."

"The Ottoman Sultan Mehmed II allowed the local Christians to stay in Constantinople after conquering the city in 1453, and to retain their institutions such as the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate."

"In 1461 Sultan Mehmed II established the Armenian Patriarchate of Constantinople. Previously, the Byzantines considered the Armenian Church as heretical and thus did not allow them to build churches inside the walls of Constantinople."

"In 1492, when the Muslims and Sephardic Jews were expelled from Spain during the Spanish Inquisition, the Ottoman Sultan Bayezid II sent his fleet under Kemal Reis to save them and granted the refugees the right to settle in the Ottoman Empire."

"Similar millets were established for the Ottoman Jewish community, who were under the authority of the Haham Başı or Ottoman Chief Rabbi;"

Ottoman Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





Well you accuse one group of doing harm and use that to wipe away all the good that had existed before, so I get to have fun and cut up your arguments like that.

Enjoy it or approach this subject from a level headed point of view.

So, all that excuses the genocide of the Armeanians in 1915? Really?!?
 
And I'm sure you have proof that not only were they ALL Christians but that the deciding factor of those involved was Christianity.

Put up or shut up

Of course, unless you can show me which Muslims units fought with U.S. forces. Care to take on that task? I can for damn sure show you Muslims units that sided with the Nazis.
 
So, all that excuses the genocide of the Armeanians in 1915? Really?!?

Nope but then I never said it did.

The sheer fact that the largest state the ever existed for Islam, tolerated Christians and Jews far better than any other Christian state that existed at the time certainly shows that all the hyperbole of "dem ebil murslims" is over blown.

In Christian Europe, it was convert or death/expulsion.

In the Ottoman empire it was, live and let live.
So so evil. :roll:
 
But, they were all Christians. That seems to be the point you're avoiding.

Excpet teh Russians, of course. Bunch of godless commies who saved the world's ass form Hitler.

And teh simple fact of the matter is their religion wasn't at all a factor in what they did. At all.



Now that is revisionist history! Wars are won on land, not in the air, or at sea. Even moreso in the 18th Century. The French didn't put boots on the ground, until 1780...5 years into the war.

Not when the other side is forced to use the sea in order to get boots on the ground.
 
Of course, unless you can show me which Muslims units fought with U.S. forces. Care to take on that task? I can for damn sure show you Muslims units that sided with the Nazis.

Yep because there couldn't possibly be other denominations, religions or even atheists?

Also, you can show proof that we were involved in those things because of Christianity and not because of other reasons such as national security, protecting allies, or stopping child predator like koresh right?
 
It is 2010, deal with it.
 
Nope but then I never said it did.

The sheer fact that the largest state the ever existed for Islam, tolerated Christians and Jews far better than any other Christian state that existed at the time certainly shows that all the hyperbole of "dem ebil murslims" is over blown.

In Christian Europe, it was convert or death/expulsion.

In the Ottoman empire it was, live and let live.
So so evil. :roll:

Sure, they tolerated the ones that were left, after they had conquered the region and slaughtered many Jews and Christians.

I hope you don't think that the Muslims were always, just there?
 
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