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Last US Combat Troops Leave Iraq

We left many Vietnamese troops and civilians who were our allies without any means of protecting themselves to die at the hands of the Vietcong .

Well, for one thing the 50,000 left behind are not all or just military troops. Some, if not most are advisors, trainers, civilians, negotiators, planners, co-ordinators, teachers, experts, diplomats, liasons, translators, and whatever and whoever is needed to help Iraqi's build a new government for themselves. For another thing, the 50K are under the State Department control, not the DoD, and the State Department gets a fraction of the funding compared to the military. So the notion they are left behind to merely engage the enemy is nonsense. For if there were still an enemy to engage, the combat troops wouldn't have left, let alone leave EARLY. Yes, there it is going to still be violence, but the violence is directed at the Iraqis by Iraqis and it will the Iraqi forces who will have to deal with it. It is estimated that every week, 150 Iraqis are joining the Iraqi forces.

Building a new government with many competing interests doesn't happen over night, so we can not expect instant results. They will have to build a coalition government and that takes time. But it has only been seven months since their last election and it took the Dutch at least nine months to build their coalition government. So be patient, child.

When we left Saigon, there were zero US military troops left behind.
When we "left" Iraq, there were 50,000 US military troops "left behind."


You can pretend that we're out of Iraq if you want, but that's not reality.
 
When we left Saigon, there were zero US military troops left behind.
When we "left" Iraq, there were 50,000 US military troops "left behind."


You can pretend that we're out of Iraq if you want, but that's not reality.

Well, that's probably a good point, because I don't think we will ever fully leave Iraq anymore than we left Germany, Japan or S. Korea. But we aren't still engaging in combat there, now are we? Btw, did you know we are conducting military exercises with the Vietnamese? Seems to have slipped past the media radar....

US, Vietnam display military ties amid warnings from China - INQUIRER.net, Philippine News for Filipinos
 
We're not out of Iraq. We shouldn't pretend we are. We're following step by step through the Bush outline for this and as long as the plan remains intact and Obama follows within the guidelines the Bush created and agreed upon plan laid out we will be out of Iraq; by the end of 2011
 
Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

You know, I have been following this discussion, and something really stands out. There are still plenty of troops in Iraq, and the numbers mentioned do not include the thousands of private contractors that are also still there.

We went into Iraq on lies. Is our exit from Iraq also based on lies?

YouTube - Harry Shearer's "935 Lies"

Will Harry Shearer's next satire be about lies from the Obama administration?
 
We're not out of Iraq. We shouldn't pretend we are.....

Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

You can pretend that we're out of Iraq if you want, but that's not reality.

Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

We went into Iraq on lies. Is our exit from Iraq also based on lies?

Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

Actually, no. But close.
The point is (I almost wrote "the point is, Moot"), declaring combat over is another Mission Accomplished moment, because there will be more combat. They don't care what we call those troops; they're troops; they'll be attacked. There will almost certainly be more combat casualties. And then, the natural question will be, "wasn't combat over? Didn't all the combat troops leave?"

Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq. You want to nit pic and say there will still be violence and insurgent attacks, fine. Nobody is saying there won't be. The point is, the combat phase is over and the 50K that are left are there for support. hooray.
 
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Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

Nobody is saying we're out of Iraq.

Er...

NBC and MSNBC's Olberman and Maddow will have the satisfaction of being the only news organization to live broadcast the last of the combat troops leaving Iraq and the end of the war on Iraq. The other news stations seem to have been completely caught off guard and didn't have any reporters there to witness this momentous event.

No, probably not as momentus as Saigon. But at least we left with some dignity and didn't leave tens of thousands behind to get slaughtered.

It's not the end of the war in Iraq, nor did we leave anything.
 
Er...





It's not the end of the war in Iraq, nor did we leave anything.



As far as the American public is concerned, it's over.
The war in Iraq has ended, and we've left.
Never mind that we somehow left 50,000 American sons and daughters behind.
By next week, once we've heard "Iraq is over, we've pulled out" fifty more times, we'll manage to collectively forget all about them, as if they never existed.
 
Would you settle for the beginning of the end of the war?

If you want to look at it that way, then the agreement that was signed years ago laying out this timeline was the actual "beginning of the end of the war."

For my part, I don't think the war will be anywhere close to an end until the troops are almost all home or it's a situation like South Korea.

Combat brigades in Iraq under different name - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

Combat brigades in Iraq under different name

As the final convoy of the Army’s 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, based at Fort Lewis, Wash., entered Kuwait early Thursday, a different Stryker brigade remained in Iraq.

Soldiers from the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team of the 25th Infantry Division are deployed in Iraq as members of an Advise and Assist Brigade, the Army’s designation for brigades selected to conduct security force assistance.

So while the “last full U.S. combat brigade” have left Iraq, just under 50,000 soldiers from specially trained heavy, infantry and Stryker brigades will stay, as well as two combat aviation brigades.
 
Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

This is totally an orwellian 'end of the war'... the 'combat troops' have been all replaced by 'private security' (re: mercenaries) who will still engage in combat if needed, but they are not combat troops and so the war is over as far as the military is concerned, but in terms of the military industrial complex, the business is still booming in Iraq.

Its' like that time where they said the pulled out of the cities, when the reality was that they changed the city limits to exclude the bases...

Or better yet, Bush's famous 'mission accomplished'... which should by any stretch have meant 'get ready to pack your bags'.
 
Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

This is totally an orwellian 'end of the war'... the 'combat troops' have been all replaced by 'private security' (re: mercenaries) who will still engage in combat if needed, but they are not combat troops and so the war is over as far as the military is concerned, but in terms of the military industrial complex, the business is still booming in Iraq.

Its' like that time where they said the pulled out of the cities, when the reality was that they changed the city limits to exclude the bases...

Or better yet, Bush's famous 'mission accomplished'... which should by any stretch have meant 'get ready to pack your bags'.
Do you have a link?
 
Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

it sucks how this isnt really going as hoped for..
 
Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

it sucks how this isnt really going as hoped for..

Yeah, well. What did anyone expect?
I was out there protesting this thing in the streets when it started nearly a decade ago.
I didn't "hope for" anything. Not if hope implies admitting the possibility of some positive outcome. I never anticipated one.
 
Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

Yeah, well. What did anyone expect?
I was out there protesting this thing in the streets when it started nearly a decade ago.
I didn't "hope for" anything. Not if hope implies admitting the possibility of some positive outcome. I never anticipated one.
idk really im sure everyone hoped for the troops i mean literally everyone to come back home and to stay over here... back at home with families.
 
Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

idk really im sure everyone hoped for the troops i mean literally everyone to come back home and to stay over here... back at home with families.

Surely no one was naive enough to expect that we could go to war and not lose a single troop.
That would be pretty silly.
I mean, I think the more accurate term for that would be "wish", rather than "hope".
I wish I'd grow wings and be able to fly, but I have no expectation that I will; no hope that I will.
 
Re: Goodbye Iraq: Last US combat brigade heads home

idk really im sure everyone hoped for the troops i mean literally everyone to come back home and to stay over here... back at home with families.
I also hope every week I win the lottery.
Unfortunately, reality interceeds.
 
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