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Ground Zero Mosque On The Move?

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My opinion of the only accepted views within mainstream Islam today.

Yeah no. It's not held mainstream.
I notice you didn't answer my question. Lol @ not even reading my holy book then making stuff up
 
No. Should be we find it offensive anytime a white person buys white sheets because a white supremacist former terrorist group likes to dress in sheets.

If they decided to wear them in the manner of the KKK on the site MLK Jr. was killed or a black church was firebombed by the KKK, then yes.

Should we find it offensive when Catholics build a church near a daycare, preschool, elementary school, Chucky Cheese Pizza or any other building that caters to or educates children?

If that daycare, preschool, elementary school, Chucky Cheese Pizza, etc etc et al happened to be the site of a Catholic Priest molesting a child then yes.
 
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Yeah no. It's not held mainstream.


Really? Then which of the five mainstream sects of Islam, the Hanbali, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, or Jafari, do not call for capital and/or corporal punishment for apostasy, adultery, sodomy, and/or premarital sex?

I notice you didn't answer my question. Lol @ not even reading my holy book then making stuff up

I've read extensive portions of the Hadiths in relation to its views on Apostasy, Adultery Sodomy etc, but this is not about my view it is about the only accepted view within mainstream Islam today.
 
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Really? Then which of the five mainstream sects of Islam, the Hanbali, Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`i, or Jafari, do not call for capital and/or corporal punishment for apostasy, adultery, sodomy, and/or premarital sex?

I've read extensive portions of the Hadiths in relation to its views on Apostasy, Adultery Sodomy etc, but this is not about my view it is about the only accepted view within mainstream Islam today.

I don't give a **** what self appointed idiots think. Muslims one source of authority that is above everything and anything is the Qu'ran.

Anyone who did RE in school would know that. That is basic Islam 101.
LOL at only reading hadiths.
You DO realise not every Muslim accept hadiths?

You didn't answer my question.

Why hold those who had nothing to do with it responsible?
 
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I don't give a **** what self appointed idiots think. Muslims one source of authority that is above everything and anything is the Qu'ran.

Anyone who did RE in school would know that. That is basic Islam 101.
LOL at only reading hadiths.
You DO realise not every Muslim accept hadiths?

Islam has a clerical hierarchy which determines dogma, whether all Muslims believe in that dogma says nothing towards mainstream Islam as it exists today.

You didn't answer my question.

It would be like building an Orthodox Church in the town of Srebrenica. Not to mention that the organization pushing for this Mosque is an Islamist POS.
 
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So did anyone hear about the bomb someone put in a mosque in Wisconsin? Why doesn't the media cover that? I guess because no one gives a **** if some mosque gets blown up? How about the Iraqi kid that got beat to hell so bad at a ball game that they had to wire his jaw shut, all the while a bunch of guys were calling him a camel jockey, terrorist, and towel head?

And Agent what about the fact that the guy that is building the mosque was on Fox News before a few months ago talking about it and talking about his time working for the FBI and George Bush the past few years? I guess this is all part of their plot to take over the world?
 
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A vast number of the casualties on 9/11 were Muslims?

Class, open your books.

"vast majority of Casualties of Islamic Terrorism are muslims themselves."

Let's dissect this sentence.

Islamic terrorism is global ranging from kidnappings in Afghanistan to attacks on Bali nightclubs. The majority of people killed in such attacks are Muslim. Nowhere in the sentence does "9/11" appear and under no sane thinking does 9/11 = All terrorist attacks.

Now please go home and read more with COMPREHENSION IN MIND.
 
Does every thread on the Mosque have to devolve into another variation on "oh noz, Muslims are evil"?
 
Yes it does because they are and i have proof because i am an islamicologist
 
Does every thread on the Mosque have to devolve into another variation on "oh noz, Muslims are evil"?

These idiots will claim they're fine with mosques in other places, yet they'll protest their construction in other places too. I wish they'd have the courage to say what they're actually thinking like the BNP over in the UK does. "We don't want muslims in our country."
 
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And Agent what about the fact that the guy that is building the mosque was on Fox News before a few months ago talking about it and talking about his time working for the FBI and George Bush the past few years?

ThE guy who said that the U.S. was responsible for 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after 9-11, he refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization, and he wants a Sharia compliant U.S.? That guy? Ya that guy's an Islamist POS and he can go screw.
 
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ThE guy who said that the U.S. was responsible for 9-11 and that OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after 9-11,

Not what he said and you know it. What he in fact said is 100% correct, that the US was complicit in the attack by its policies around the world. Anyone denying this fact is either blind, stupid or has not been following what is going on in the world for the last 50 years.

He said the following

I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States' policies were an accessory to the crime that happened

and he is right. Guess who else said the above (or approximately)... Glenn Beck, half of Fox News and a tons of right wing talking heads including Ron Paul. Go figure!

he refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization,

And you have this from what? A right wing email? And it is his right under free speech to not comment on Hamas. And lets not forget, Hamas does also a lot of good (relatively speaking), by feeding, housing and giving medical care to the people of Gaza.... something no one else does or have attempted to do. You might not like their political policies (I dont for sure), but they are filling a void on the humanitarian level that no one else is willing to fill.

and he wants a Sharia compliant U.S.?

Even for non Muslims?.. I doubt that very very very much. Do you have any evidence that he was a sharia compliant US?
 
There is no Mosque in the Pentagon there is a non-denominational prayer area.

Yea.. they turned a room into a prayer area.. that is a mosque.. or church, or synagogue ... whatever you want to call it. Face it, it is no different than what is going on near ground zero.
 
And if this does happen, I'm sure everybody who accused the group of being too spiteful to change their building plans will at least apologize for that.

If they do it here's one guy that will state that this gives much more credence to their notion of wanting to "Build bridges" and provide "outreach" to those who have a misguided view of Islam and wants to show them that there is such thing as moderate, respectful Islam. If they did this my notion that they're a tactless douchebag or a lying ass would change significantly.
 
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Ah.
So if Muslims keep the Mosque on the land they bought and are legally allowed to build on. They are being insensitive bastards who wish to celebrate the 9/11.


Yep


If Muslims with the help of the State move said Mosque and get it at a discount because of the fact they are moving when they have no legal reason to but at the request of the State in the face of opposition by voters of NY. They are blackmailers

yep


Such whiny people will never be pleased ....
Which one would you prefer? Option 1 or 2?


Kinda reminds me of another argument over land in the ME Care to guess which one? And who the whinny bastards are in that argument?


j-mac
 
If they do it here's one guy that will state that this gives much more credence to their notion of wanting to "Build bridges" and provide "outreach" to those who have a misguided view of Islam and wants to show them that there is such thing as moderate, respectful Islam. If they did this my notion that they're a tactless douchebag or a lying ass would change significantly.


yeah, yeah...We know you hate those opposing the Mosque of conquest. Do you feel better now that you have been able to generalize and use foul language all in the same post?


j-mac
 
These idiots will claim they're fine with mosques in other places, yet they'll protest their construction in other places too. I wish they'd have the courage to say what they're actually thinking like the BNP over in the UK does. "We don't want muslims in our country."

People protests the construction of mosques throughout the country for the same reasons the protest the construction of other churches.
 
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I don't give a **** what self appointed idiots think. Muslims one source of authority that is above everything and anything is the Qu'ran.

Anyone who did RE in school would know that. That is basic Islam 101.
LOL at only reading hadiths.
You DO realise not every Muslim accept hadiths?

You didn't answer my question.

Truly ironic that the religion you espouse has ACTIVE sects that would issue a death warrant on you for saying something like that in public. I would recommend you continue your vehement defense of Islam on the internet...and dont try that in public, or on the streets of...say...Iran. Or anywhere that muslim fundamentalists are in power. In those places be smart...cover your face, shut your mouth...and get your ass in the back of the Suburban.
 
yeah, yeah...We know you hate those opposing the Mosque of conquest. Do you feel better now that you have been able to generalize and use foul language all in the same post?


j-mac

You're joking right?

So I hate myself? I oppose the mosque being built where it is. I think its wrong. I think that doing so shows the person building it is either a tactless douche, a lying ass, on an oblivious idiot...one of the three. I've said this over multiple threads over, and over, and over again. I use my "vulgar" language because its the language I've used to describe this guy again and again.

What I do oppose is attempting to stop the building of the mosque through changing the laws or manipulating the laws. what I oppose is violating the constitution. What I also oppose is people saying that simply feeling that this mosque shouldn't be built there is somehow "bigoted" or "racist" or "islamophobic".

One of the main reasons I've continually said this guy is potentially tactless is based on the flippant disregard for the emotions of thousands and thousands of Americans with relation to what is essentially a national place of mourning, ala the Arizona. One of the main reasons I've continually said this guy is potentially a lier is because every action he's done from the start of buying the land where it is located is contrary to his stated purposes.

If he moves the mosque elsewhere then it'd be unreasonable of me to continue with those two possabilities to the same verocity and level because part of the evidence that leads me to believe it is removed. Indeed, in regards to the 2nd one, it would actually further re-enforce that perhaps he actually is interested in the center as being something to "build bridges" as he's recognizing the outrage and taking the ability to move it without essentially taking heavy financial damage for just abandoning land that he rightfully bought.

I would say this disproves the possability of him being tactless, and don't even mention the oblivious option, becuase both are still possible with this. With him either initially thinking "to hell with what people think or how people feel" and then realizing its going to be harmful to his cause, OR him just not realizing this was going to be the reaction from the very people he'd need to "build bridges" too in which case...yeah, oblivious.

Seriously, where in the world do you get that I "hate those opposing" the mosque? Simply because I don't want to stoop to the level of ****ting on the constitution and siding with big government to forcibly stop it?
 
If they do it here's one guy that will state that this gives much more credence to their notion of wanting to "Build bridges" and provide "outreach" to those who have a misguided view of Islam and wants to show them that there is such thing as moderate, respectful Islam. If they did this my notion that they're a tactless douchebag or a lying ass would change significantly.

Those who wish to impose Sharia and refuse to condemn Hamas are not "moderate" by our standards no matter what they might say by way of deluding naifs into thinking otherwise.
 
Seriously, where in the world do you get that I "hate those opposing" the mosque? Simply because I don't want to stoop to the level of ****ting on the constitution and siding with big government to forcibly stop it?


Apologies....Mistaken identity.


j-mac
 
NP, not immune to doing that at times myself.
 
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