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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

j-mac said:
I guess only when liberal feelings are at stake, but never when the families of the murdered 9/11 victims come into play....

Nice.


j-mac
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Strawman? <G>
 
j-mac said:
...now come back and ask me what I am talking about mentioning St Nick's? Amazing!
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With the land swap having fallen through due to financial issues, The New York Times reported of the Port Authority's stance, "The authority now says that St. Nicholas is free to rebuild the church on its own parcel at 155 Cedar Street, just east of West Street."

Bottom line: The Church can rebuild.
 
j-mac said:
I guess only when liberal feelings are at stake, but never when the families of the murdered 9/11 victims come into play....

Nice.


j-mac
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BDBoop said:
Strawman? <G>
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Appeal to emotion, actually. He's switching the fallacies up on us now. Tricky!
 
j-mac said:
I guess only when liberal feelings are at stake, but never when the families of the murdered 9/11 victims come into play....

Nice.


j-mac
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Mindless appeal to emotion.
 
digsbe said:
What are you talking about? What dome?
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The restriction on the dome was part of a possible land swap deal. No such restrictions were imposed were the Church to rebuild on its original parcel of land. Of course, the size of the original plot likely precluded the large dome that the Church desired.

From The New York Times:

In recent negotiations, the authority cut the size of the church slightly and told church officials that its dome could not rise higher than the trade center memorial...

St. Nicholas officials had hoped to build an impressive structure, with a traditional Greek Orthodox dome, and a nondenominational center for visitors to ground zero. That will not be possible on the church’s original 1,200-square-foot lot...
 
RightinNYC said:
Did you miss the rest of my post?

The church wants to build on land owned by the port authority. That's a lot harder than building on privately owned land.
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Nope I caught it, as I responded that the church does own the land.

Who the **** cares?
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Would it surprise you if George Soros was involved?


Coronado said:
And "feelings" always take a back seat to facts, don't they?
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Answered to Boo.

Redress said:
But you and they have not documented any evidence to back up that feeling. None. Zero.
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Sure I have, but as usual if it doesn't fit the liberal narrative it is ignored. I suggest you go back and read fully the discussion.


j-mac
 
Coronado said:
And "feelings" always take a back seat to facts, don't they?
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of course not, but when you're trying to improve relations with people, they probably need to be taken into account

mr rauf, if you are sincere in your stated desire to strengthen ties with your community, you can't leave your church where it is

because to do so will only strain whatever connections there are

if you want to build, build, you have every right

don't be suprised, tho, if millions of americans question your sincerity about just trying to get along

it's your move, mr rauf

everyone's watching

let's keep talking about this mosque and imam and the president's proximity to them every day til november!
 
This just doesn't seem like the place to build a mosque.

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Erod said:
This just doesn't seem like the place to build a mosque.

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Its never a good idea to build anything in a building that is in the processing of exploding, you are right.
 
RightinNYC said:
And if they actually wanted to build on that land, they'd be free to do so as they always have been. However, they want to build on a different parcel. Read the article that don linked.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/nyregion/19church.html
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Yep, saw it, in fact the articles I gave you said that as well, from the NYTimes. I wouldn't expect any different considering the flack they are receiving from the different hurdles placed in their way. However, the Islamic Mosque seems to have foregone all these hurdles haven't they, even got past the commission on destroying a 150 year old building to do this thing...Wow! Now that is power.

Sorry, but I think there is fishy stuff going on here. And all I get when I dig to uncover it in here is answers like yours, which basically said "WTF cares!" Sorry, but I think that is just kind of sad for a country that vowed to "Never Forget"....


No, but I can't say I'd give a ****. How on earth would that make a difference?
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Soros is a menace, a liberal disease on any country he gets too intwined with.

j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Sorry, but I think there is fishy stuff going on here. And all I get when I dig to uncover it in here is answers like yours, which basically said "WTF cares!" Sorry, but I think that is just kind of sad for a country that vowed to "Never Forget"....
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So are you going to provide evidence or just sit here and tell us about your feelings?

Feels like I'm in the Conspiracy forum all of a sudden ...
 
j-mac said:
Yep, saw it, in fact the articles I gave you said that as well, from the NYTimes. I wouldn't expect any different considering the flack they are receiving from the different hurdles placed in their way. However, the Islamic Mosque seems to have foregone all these hurdles haven't they, even got past the commission on destroying a 150 year old building to do this thing...Wow! Now that is power.

Sorry, but I think there is fishy stuff going on here. And all I get when I dig to uncover it in here is answers like yours, which basically said "WTF cares!" Sorry, but I think that is just kind of sad for a country that vowed to "Never Forget"....
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You have not yet shown any evidence of anything fishy. You have taken two entirely dissimilar situations, and said "see, they are happening differently", and not understanding why people are saying "well, yeah, and?".


Soros is a menace, a liberal disease on any country he gets too intwined with.

j-mac
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Strait out of the conservative playbook. When you can't argue with facts, you switch to trying to connect it with something unpopular.
 
j-mac said:
Yep, saw it, in fact the articles I gave you said that as well, from the NYTimes. I wouldn't expect any different considering the flack they are receiving from the different hurdles placed in their way. However, the Islamic Mosque seems to have foregone all these hurdles haven't they, even got past the commission on destroying a 150 year old building to do this thing...Wow! Now that is power.
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How are you missing the glaring differences between these situations?

The church's original site DIRECTLY ABUTS GROUND ZERO. The Port Authority wanted to purchase the land in order to build security protections. The church used this position to try to leverage the PA into giving it a much bigger site elsewhere. After lengthy negotiations, the plans fell through. The church is now (and has always been) 100% able to rebuild on its original site.

The mosque location is TWO BLOCKS AWAY FROM GROUND ZERO. The Port Authority doesn't give a **** what happens there and has no authority to get involved. The mosque purchased the property from a private investor and is moving forward with its plans, just like any other business or investor would. They didn't "get past the commission" on ****, as there's nothing preventing destruction of a non-landmarked building.

Sorry, but I think there is fishy stuff going on here. And all I get when I dig to uncover it in here is answers like yours, which basically said "WTF cares!"
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No, I'm saying "you don't know what you're talking about."

Sorry, but I think that is just kind of sad for a country that vowed to "Never Forget"....
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This is probably the most ridiculous use of "never forget" that I've ever seen.

Soros is a menace, a liberal disease on any country he gets too intwined with.
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Which doesn't have a ****bit to do with this goddamn building.
 
Erod said:
This just doesn't seem like the place to build a mosque.

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Good thing they want to build it a couple blocks away.

Nice appeal to emotion(boy that is a pattern this thread).
 
RightinNYC said:
Which doesn't have a ****bit to do with this goddamn building.
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Well I learned a new word today. Well, assuming I am guessing what the stars are replacing right.
 
RightinNYC said:
Which doesn't have a ****bit to do with this goddamn building.
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Whatever dude....You're right about one thing, at least I hope you are, and that is the the building is damned by God.


j-mac
 
Assuming there is a God.
 
Remember the two main issue that plaque the GZ Mosque:

(1.) The GZ Imam. Imam Feisal Rauf has made insensative and pro-terrorist comments to the media in the past including in his recent book blaming America for the 9/11 attacks (due to its support of Israel). Imam Rauf has also called for the destruction of Israel (Al Jazeera, Oct 2009) if Israel "continues it policy of attacking Palestinian children." Rauf's wife Daisy has made anti-Semitic and inflammatory remarks in the past as well. With these comments, many are wondering if the GZ Mosque will be a hotbed of terrorist sympathies or draw anti-Semitic Imam's to its doors. Please note that *** all women are barred from worship with men *** at the Center, following strict Islamic Sharia Law rules.

(2.) Money. The Cordoba Initiative has yet to release its FY2008-2009/2009-2010 tax records, or answer the question how they went from $100,000 in cash liquidity to nearly $100,000,000 in assets without disclosure. CNN's Anderson Cooper asked Friday: "Where is the money coming from?"
 
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