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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

j-mac said:
Hmmm, Erdogan is your leader, so he controls the direction of the country. I posted an article, did you read it? You can hope with all your might that the Army overthrows your government, they have not right now and that is what matters. Turkey is lurching toward fundamentalist Islam.

j-mac
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Would like to see that. In any case, its overblown hyperbole and you know it.
The Christian Democrats wont turn Germany into Rome and Erdogan will not turn us into Iran.
Also judging from the new head of the army to replace Basbug as military commander, i wouldn't say that for certain.
Infact, it's very possible our army is funding the PKK to set the scene for a possible coup.
 
Do you lefties even consider the victims of the families of the people murdered on 9/11? It would be like a kick in the gut to build a mosque at or near thatsite...........
 
Navy Pride said:
Do you lefties even consider the victims of the families of the people murdered on 9/11? It would be like a kick in the gut to build a mosque at or near thatsite...........
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Like the Muslims that died there as well?
 
Navy Pride said:
Do you lefties even consider the victims of the families of the people murdered on 9/11? It would be like a kick in the gut to build a mosque at or near thatsite...........
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Do you righties ever consider the people who gave life and limb to establish and preserve the First Amendment's guarantee of religious freedom? It would be like a kick in the gut to trample on that freedom just because you feel like it.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I am getting so tired of posting this.





This is kind of expected though.



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Then you should stop. It is deceitful. Anyone that believes that CAIR, a co conspirator of the Holy Land Foundation hearings, should know that their credibility should be questioned.

Well whoever originally called the entire thing a Mosque straight up obviously had a chip on their shoulder. Who cares about the 700's. What year is it again?
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Um. that would be Imam Rauf. Originally he referred to it as a Mosque, and Culture Center, then when it heated up he dropped the Mosque part. He's a liar. As for the 700's and the significance of Cordoba, if you can't look at history, and why he is naming this what he is, then it is really no wonder that you are having trouble connecting the dots.

That's dishonest. Would it not be a mosque of conquest if it were on ground zero itself with a big flag saying Mosque of Conquest... no? I don't know many conquest monuments that have a performance and a swimming pool. Or do you think muslims will be diving into the pool while shouting death to America?
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Well, go educate yourself then report back. Using supposed humor, to dismiss an argument has already been uncovered a the dishonest tactic it is.

t's not across the street. It will not "Tower Over" it's Two blocks away. Get over yourself.
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Won't say it will you? The answer would be NONE!

When did I say that. Direct quote please? Who said anything about making friends with radical islamists? Or are you implying something because all your arguments are faulty, and the only way you can see to displant mine is to try and paint me as a terrorist sympathizer, how could such a strategy fail?
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Read it again, for comprehension this time please.

Guess you can't prove any of that eh? Your argument pretty much lacks all credibility and sense right about here. "Liberal this and liberal that. Mmmmhmmm and I'm Nelson Mandela.
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:roll: GAWD this is childish. Are we having a conversation here, or are you just messing around?


Either the constitution means something or it doesn't. Conservatives like you have shown clearly they can't handle the mantel of the constitution in more than one way, I guess you will simply NEVER get the message as to what this argument is really about.
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Oh I know what it is about....It is about what liberals displaying guilt over being American always make it about, That is the message that America sucks and deserves what it gets, trouble is that that line of thinking is even popular beyond our own shores isn't it now?


j-mac
 
Navy Pride said:
Do you lefties even consider the victims of the families of the people murdered on 9/11? It would be like a kick in the gut to build a mosque at or near thatsite...........
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I know right, it's like all the families of the American Indians that were slaughtered all over the U.S.

That's it folks, we can't build anything, anywhere, anymore.
Someone may have died there.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I know right, it's like all the families of the American Indians that were slaughtered all over the U.S.

That's it folks, we can't build anything, anywhere, anymore.
Someone may have died there.
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You lefty...
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I know right, it's like all the families of the American Indians that were slaughtered all over the U.S.

That's it folks, we can't build anything, anywhere, anymore.
Someone may have died there.
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What about aunt trudy's pet hamster?
 
Jetboogieman said:
As I've said in this thread before, they could probably sell the land for a tidy profit and build a better and bigger community centre with a mosque inside it elsewhere if it really offends you that much.
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It's a mosque, it's a big building that holds daily prayer services, it's a mosque, you can call it whatever the hell you want but it's a mosque that doubles as an islamic comunity center. Call me when they set aside space for a synagogue and a church and then your laughable assertion that it's a community center and not a mosque will have some merit.
 
kaya'08 said:
Would like to see that. In any case, its overblown hyperbole and you know it.
The Christian Democrats wont turn Germany into Rome and Erdogan will not turn us into Iran.
Also judging from the new head of the army to replace Basbug as military commander, i wouldn't say that for certain.
Infact, it's very possible our army is funding the PKK to set the scene for a possible coup.
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Funding them? Hell they just attacked them.....

'Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'
By BENJAMIN WEINTHAL JERUSALEM POST CORRESPONDENT
08/12/2010 21:41


'Turks hit PKK with chemical weapons'
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j-mac
 
Redress said:
You lefty...
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I do what I can, for the people!
 
Navy Pride said:
Do you lefties even consider the victims of the families of the people murdered on 9/11? It would be like a kick in the gut to build a mosque at or near thatsite...........
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what does consideration have to do with anything?

we're trying to improve relations, here, aren't we?
 
Coronado said:
Do you righties ever consider the people who gave life and limb to establish and preserve the First Amendment's guarantee of religious freedom? It would be like a kick in the gut to trample on that freedom just because you feel like it.
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and kicks in guts rarely improve relations
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
I know right, it's like all the families of the American Indians that were slaughtered all over the U.S.

That's it folks, we can't build anything, anywhere, anymore.
Someone may have died there.
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oh, he can build it if he wants, that's already been established

but if he really wants to get along better with his neighbors, like he says, he's kinda going about it the wrong way
 
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Coronado said:
Do you righties ever consider the people who gave life and limb to establish and preserve the First Amendment's guarantee of religious freedom? It would be like a kick in the gut to trample on that freedom just because you feel like it.
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So now liberals are concerned with religious freedom? Well thank goodness that it isn't a Christian church we are speaking of, the argument would probably be 180 degrees turned around.

BTW, can you answer why this Mosque is being fast tracked, while St. Nicholas is being stonewalled?


j-mac
 
Andalublue said:
What weaselly words! "I don't want to infringe on your freedom of religion, I just want to make it as difficult as I can for you to practice it where I don't approve of it being practiced."
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Yes I want to use my freedom of speech as the last, best, and only defense against the spread of a virulent oppressive ideology. The same way I don't want to infringe upon the rights of the Nazi party but will condemn their ideology at every turn.

Nice libertarian attitude there.
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It is actually, I support the right of free speech for those opposed to the building of this Mosque and I support the property rights of those who want to build the Mosque.

Needless to say, I doubt the Muslims who are behind the project will make their decision based on the wailings of the Islamophobic far right.
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lol, Islamophobic, you know what you're absolutely right, I find an ideology pretty scary when it is based on what the adherents believe an invisible man in the sky had to say to some guy who may or may not have even existed 1,500 years ago in which the only accepted view in all five major mainstream sects that the penalties for apostasy, homosexuality, adultery, and/or premarital sex are corporal and/or capital punishment.
 
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The Prof said:
oh, he can build it if he wants, that's already been established

but if really wants to get along better with his neighbors, like he says, he's kinda going about it the wrong way
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That's fine but don't always approach the argument from "what about the victim's families."

We can't halt progress because some people might get upset.
 
j-mac said:
So now liberals are concerned with religious freedom? Well thank goodness that it isn't a Christian church we are speaking of, the argument would probably be 180 degrees turned around.
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Straw man and straw man.
j-mac said:
BTW, can you answer why this Mosque is being fast tracked, while St. Nicholas is being stonewalled?
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Relevance?
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
We can't halt progress because some people might get upset.
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what you call progress, millions and millions of americans see as crass insensitivity

but what do they matter

we'll improve relations with em in spite of themselves
 
j-mac said:
So now liberals are concerned with religious freedom? Well thank goodness that it isn't a Christian church we are speaking of, the argument would probably be 180 degrees turned around.

BTW, can you answer why this Mosque is being fast tracked, while St. Nicholas is being stonewalled?


j-mac
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Not sure what you're referring to.
 
kaya'08 said:
And that is true, which is why the Middle East needs to take Western countries as a perfect example of the benefits and the humanity of secularism. Christianity too, though not as much, is out of touch with liberal society.

Just because it has conservative views in nature, does not mean they are all bad people and they are all terrorists.
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I never said they were, but that speaks nothing to the status of their ideology.

They can become secular and as Western as any folk, as Israel and Turkey has proved (Erdogans recent attempts to pervert it aside).

It is possible to live beside them if we educate them. We fight and spread our values of freedom around the world, not respecting these values at home undermines our legitimacy as Democratic people who respect the freedom of others.
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Agreed.
 
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