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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

It is like building a German consulate a block away from Auschwitz ...
 
How would any of you pro Mosque people feel about a KKK recruiting and information center in the center of Haarlem?
You now know how I feel about this Mosque.
 
Well, any Dem polician who wants to protect what America is supposed to be is in a hard spot, because that goes against the desires of the Democrat Party leadership and their financial backers.

Also their districts are so strongly gerrymandered that they have no diverse constituency that will give them support if the party leadership decides to amputate the odd stray misbehaving tentacle.

And I don't feel sorry for them at all. They helped create the system, they've benefitted from it, and if it bites them, that's fine.

Good thing that redistricting can't happen until after these elections. Then Republicans will be in charge of it.
 
How would any of you pro Mosque people feel about a KKK recruiting and information center in the center of Haarlem?
You now know how I feel about this Mosque.
No problem whatsoever!!! (Apart from the disagreeing with their stances of course).
 
Nope.

You made no case to explain why this particular monument to terrorism should be built in that spot. Ergo, you have not explained why it is important for our Muslim president to support THIS mosque, only that as a matter of general principle, even terrorists have the freedom under the First Amendment to build temples someplace.

First of all, do you know for absolutely sure that terrorist are involved in the funding, planning, construction or have intensions of being involded in the day-to-day operations of this Mosque when it does open their doors?

Do you know that the President is actually a Muslim who believes the false tennants of the Qu'ran and, therefore, is secretly aiding and abetting Muslim extremist?

If so, provide your proof. Give such to the FBI if you must. Better yet, give it to your local news agency. Even better, send it to FoxNews so they'll have the proof to air it for the world!

Until you can provide that proof, all you have is your own suspecious and/or conspiracy theories, unproven thearies that drive your hate, mistrust or biasness. Moreover, you essentially admitted you don't support our 1st Amendment rights. You see, it's not the location that matters here. You may think it is, but it really isn't. The issue is by not supporting the right for this place of worship to exist in the location as planned, you're not only saying you don't upholding the basic right for an American citizen's right to worship as they please, you're also saying that as a nation of laws we will ignore those laws if supporting them doesn't suit us, just because our feelings might get hurt from time to time. Doesn't that smell of hypocrisy to you? That we'll support something until we choose not to support it even it we claim such a right exist as a basic human right for us, but not for someone else even when proclaiming around the world that such a right is a basic component of our own democrisy?

Does that really make sense to you when the owner of this Mosque followed the laws in accordance with the city of New York in the State of New York in the country called the United States of America? Think about it, man! Think about it long and hard.
 
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Also their districts are so strongly gerrymandered that they have no diverse constituency that will give them support if the party leadership decides to amputate the odd stray misbehaving tentacle.

oh, no, friend, every congressman i named was in real danger of going down, and that was BEFORE this most avoidable complication was violently thrust into their districts---bishop, mcmahon, hall, owens

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And I don't feel sorry for them at all. They helped create the system, they've benefitted from it, and if it bites them, that's fine.

absolutely, they got in bed with a bozo, they fully deserve what's coming
 
and the anniversary of the real 9-11 is only 3 weeks away

how's THAT gonna go down?

president putz never thought of that

then, just 3 weeks further on, election day!

come, november!
 
First of all, do you know for absolutely sure that terrorist are involved in the funding, planning, construction or have intensions of being involded in the day-to-day operations of this Mosque when it does open their doors?

As of today's date, no one knows where the $100,000,000 is coming from, who the donors are; the Cordoba Initiative has refused to release *all* tax records related to FY2008-2009/2009-2010. Imam Rauf stated to CNN that he will accept money from Saudi Arabia for the building of the mosque ... the same nation (and leader) who attempted to give a "donation" to Mayor Guilliani in return for a quid-pro-quo "comment" about "Israel as the source of Middle East tension" in 2001. The Mayor stood firm and wisely said no.

The question remains: Where is the money coming from?
 
Good thing that redistricting can't happen until after these elections. Then Republicans will be in charge of it.

THAT depends on which party controls the state legislature in Albany. I've been out of New York for a long time, I don't know if the Americans can take control away from the Democrats or not.
 
and the anniversary of the real 9-11 is only 3 weeks away

how's THAT gonna go down?

president putz never thought of that

then, just 3 weeks further on, election day!

come, november!

Umm...three weeks after 9-11 is October 2.

Seven weeks after Atrocity Day is Election Day.
 
more from the lady (oh, my!):

Faced with withering Republican criticism of his defense of the right of Muslims to build a community center and mosque near ground zero, President Obama quickly recalibrated his remarks on Saturday, a sign that he has waded into even more treacherous political waters than the White House had at first realized.

he couldn't see this coming?

what a doof

politico (see link above, carol lee's piece, not ms haberman's) reported this morning that an "administration official" whispered that obama had done this all on his own, "purely on his own," without delving into any details of the actual plan, "off the cuff"

yet the same piece trumpets the idiot's making his iftar remarks available to the press in advance, to maximize coverage

he's all over the place

if you read the lady's lament linked in this thread, you'll see how she recounts events:

on friday, at iftar, the dummy declared what he declared

on saturday he went to the GULF to walk it all back---i was not commenting and will not comment on the wisdom of this mosque there

but by SATURDAY NITE, gibbs' asst, bill burton, issued a statement...

well, read for yourself:

Indeed, the criticism was so intense that the White House ultimately issued an elaboration on the president’s clarification, insisting that the president was “not backing off in any way” from the comments he made Friday night.

an ELABORATION of the president's CLARIFICATION---LOL!

helluva way to run a white house, eh?

you can agree with the president's pretty principles, here, you can take a separation-clause, zoning-rights approach to this mess...

but it's just about impossible to deny the idiot's incompetence

you've got a POTUS relying on ZONING RIGHTS to justify his stance on a suddenly NATIONAL controversy that he just set a-ragin

party on, progressives!

rapidly oer the precipice

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/15/us/politics/15mosque.html

(86 words quoted from source, per fair use; the references from politico are memorized, which i hope is ok)
 
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This thread is an artesian well of stupid. Should we believe the anti-Mosque-ovites we would have to believe that:
  1. All Muslims are terrorists
  2. Barack Obama is a Muslim
  3. Barack Obama is secretly conspiring with the Muslims (terrorists) to take over the USA
  4. Saudi Aarbia is a good country to do business with and a great base for our military, but they are evil Muslims (terrorists)
  5. That the Islamic Cultural Centre will really be just a Mosque
  6. That the 'Mosque' will be built over the remains of the Twin Towers
  7. That the people who will use the centre will be sitting inside laughing at how they have managed to invade the heart of the infidel, "Ha ha! Die American dogs!"
Funny how so many that are constantly banging on about upholding the Constitution are so happy to see freedom of religion consigned to history's trash can when Muslims are involved.
 
[*]All Muslims are terrorists

No but all mainstream Islam is oppressive and violent and the man responsible for this is a U.S. bashing, Sharia supporting, terrorist apologist, Islamist POS. Your denial will only prove your ignorance.

[*]That the Islamic Cultural Centre will really be just a Mosque

You can call it what ever the hell you want but the fact of the matter is that it is a large center that will be holding daily prayer rituals, it's a ****ing Mosque.

Funny how so many that are constantly banging on about upholding the Constitution are so happy to see freedom of religion consigned to history's trash can when Muslims are involved.

Once again you're answering questions that no one asked, it's not about whether they should be allowed to build the Mosque it's about whether they should build the Mosque.
 
Where's the outrage that the mosque is being built? Why should they be outraged? That the likes of you wish to oppress them?Or the outrage about terrorism? Are you SURE there is no outrage?

Can i have your skype, i will introduce you to Khalid. He is a friend of mine and asylum to the UK. His mother died in a bomb attack by muslim extremists in Iraq. She was buried the next day and they still haven't found a quarter of all her body parts.
Why don't you tell him that his religion is evil and all moderates want to bomb and kill everybody? Tell HIM that Islamic terrorism does not outrage moderate Muslims, that they too are not targeted and systematically murdered by these men.

You make me sick to the stomach, truly. You need a reality check.


I'll tell him right now that in all five major schools of Islam the only accepted views are that the penalties for apostasy, adultery, sodomy, and/or premarital sex are corporal and/or capital punishment and that is why mainstream Islam is out of touch with the modern world and antithetical to a liberal society.
 
Once again you're answering questions that no one asked, it's not about whether they should be allowed to build the Mosque it's about whether they should build the Mosque.

What weaselly words! "I don't want to infringe on your freedom of religion, I just want to make it as difficult as I can for you to practice it where I don't approve of it being practiced." Nice libertarian attitude there. Needless to say, I doubt the Muslims who are behind the project will make their decision based on the wailings of the Islamophobic far right.
 
it still is a state issue, he just voiced his opinion, which he is entitled to.

You're not listening, because I never said he wasn't entitled. I said he should have kept his mouth shut.
 
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One has to respect the sensitvity of others. Yes our constitution is our platform but anyone would have to question why INSIST on this location? The law does not require you to attend your mothers funeral but you should go anyway should you not?
 
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