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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

And that district doesn't get a seat on the zoning board.

And how many cities in the nation are MORE corrupt than New York?

There's Chicago....gee, I wonder who's from there?

There's New Orleans, aka Chocolate City...

There's Washington DC, on all levels....who's the Big Man there right now? Oh, yeah, he's from Chicago.

Actually, I can't name a single city who's zoning board isn't influenced by money. That kind makes taking things to the zoning board pointless if you don't have cash.
 
whether you sit on a zoning board or not, you as an american have total control over your disposition towards relations between you and any individual, or among you and any group

no one in this country can force improved relations upon you

or, at least, that's how it used to be

before iftar
 
Condemning is all they can do, and educating. What results where you expecting? How is your "statistics" proving anything? You still have failed to give me a link citing there support for Hamas.

Gee....what happened in the history of European Christianity when the corruption of the Church's leaders became too corrupt?

Oh, that's right.

They had a schism or two. Some Martin Luther's popped up, leaders who took significant portions of the flock away from the corruption.

Where's that movement in Islam today?

ITS NOT HAPPENING. The SAME leaders who presided over Islam in 2001 are still presiding over Islam today, unless they've died of old age.

NO NEW revelations telling muslims they should stop murdering infidels has been forth coming.

There has been no change in Islam, and that's because murdering the infidel is one of the most basic tenets of Islam.
 
whether you sit on a zoning board or not, you as an american have total control over your disposition towards relations between you and any individual, or among you and any group

no one in this country can force improved relations upon you

or, at least, that's how it used to be

before iftar

How are you in any position to dictate what can be forced apon you and what cannot? You advocate for the dismissal of this mosque which in itself is involving government where it should not be and violating basic freedoms. Double standards? I think so.
 
Gee....what happened in the history of European Christianity when the corruption of the Church's leaders became too corrupt?

Oh, that's right.

They had a schism or two. Some Martin Luther's popped up, leaders who took significant portions of the flock away from the corruption.

Where's that movement in Islam today?

So you're saying they remain sympathetic towards such regimes. :roll:
Where is it happening? Muslim armies all over the world are facing and targeting terrorist targets, namely in Lebanon as of late.

BBC News - Lebanon 'kills Fatah al-Islam militant leader'


NO NEW revelations telling muslims they should stop murdering infidels has been forth coming.

Murdering infidels is not part of the Qua ran. That is Wahhabism, the allies of the US. :2wave:
 
Some Martin Luther's popped up, leaders who took significant portions of the flock away from the corruption.

Where's that movement in Islam today?

ITS NOT HAPPENING. The SAME leaders who presided over Islam in 2001 are still presiding over Islam today, unless they've died of old age.

It began in 1517 when Martin Luther published The Ninety-Five Theses, and concluded in 1648 with the Treaty of Westphalia that ended years of European religious wars.

So feel free to compare the two in the year 2132.
 
the mosque will be forced to move VOLUNTARILY

just like ksm will never see manhattan, gitmo will never close, cheney's cia will never be prosecuted, pieface's personal diplomacy with the potentates of persia will never proceed...

cordoba's friends in ny are under simply way too much heat to sustain

the mosque will just have to relocate, y'know, to avoid the political extirpation of its friends

ask senators schumer and gillibrand, ag cuomo, congressmen weiner, mcmahon, hall, owens, bishop...

except they're not taking any calls today (LOL!)

actually, i suspect their LINES ARE BUSY (and they rudely ignore call waiting)

they're all calling rauf!
 
How are you in any position to dictate what can be forced apon you and what cannot?

when it comes to improved relations between mr rauf and myself?

LOL!

unbelievable
 
the mosque will be forced to move VOLUNTARILY

Good luck with that unfounded faith thing of yours.

Cordoba House is the kind of burr political leaders dream of putting under the saddle of their oponents. They're pushing hard for this because a monument to terrorism on the site of their most successful terrorist attack ever is going to be a humongous PR coup for them on muslim TV.
 
I think what most people find shocking about the Ground Zero Mosque is Islam's *ferocious* human rights record with homosexuals, feminists (women who reject Sharia Law and religious indoctrination), Jews, Christians and the hundreds of thousands of cultural minorities that work in Islamic countries but are routinely imprisoned for the most minor offenses. Homosexuals are routinely persecuted in *every* Islamic country. Oddly, the only nation where gays have any freedom to live openly, have domestic partners, children, work and generally carry on a life similar in respect to the U.S., is Israel. Thousands of Muslim gay men move to Israel each year to live in freedom, away from the state-religious-theocracy that is Islam. Women lack even basic, fundamental rights as human beings; feminists are arrested and imprisoned. There simply is no freedom under Islamic Sharia Law, like we enjoy here in most of the Middle East.

2 young homosexual men were executed by hanging in Northern Iran in 2005 (Human Rights Campaign) and 16 await execution in Saudi Arabia. Neither left or right-wing media has commented. It's hypocritical for Imam Rauf to describe our nation as "bigoted" (Huffington Post, Nov. 25, 2009), and "responsible for the problems in the Middle East" (CNN with Fareed Zakaria, c. 2009) without addressing Islam's attrocious human rights record.

My personal opinion is that Imam Rauf, Mr. El-Gabari, ASRA, and the Cordoba Initiative are probably not going to meet with the Families of 9/11 who are the victims. This rejection of open dialogue is both glaring and insensative in my opinion.
 
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WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE?

Ain't there.

Ain't none.

Where's the outrage that the mosque is being built? Why should they be outraged? That the likes of you wish to oppress them? Or the outrage about terrorism? Are you SURE there is no outrage?

Can i have your skype, i will introduce you to Khalid. He is a friend of mine and asylum to the UK. His mother died in a bomb attack by muslim extremists in Iraq. She was buried the next day and they still haven't found a quarter of all her body parts.
Why don't you tell him that his religion is evil and all moderates want to bomb and kill everybody? Tell HIM that Islamic terrorism does not outrage moderate Muslims, that they too are not targeted and systematically murdered by these men.

You make me sick to the stomach, truly. You need a reality check.
 
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when is obama gonna meet with the leaders of iran, when is he gonna try ksm downtown, when will gitmo close, when will cheney and his mischievous chums go to jail?

before or after the groundwork for cordoba is laid?

the president is completely out of touch with america

he doesn't even understand the people with whom he's trying so ineptly to improve relations

obama's out to lunch
 
Good luck with that unfounded faith thing of yours.

Cordoba House is the kind of burr political leaders dream of putting under the saddle of their oponents. They're pushing hard for this because a monument to terrorism on the site of their most successful terrorist attack ever is going to be a humongous PR coup for them on muslim TV.

yes, but 23 of 24 ny dems, according to politico's carol lee, are voicing their reluctant opposition to this plot---with their silence
 
And how many cities in the nation are MORE corrupt than New York?

There's Chicago....gee, I wonder who's from there?

There's New Orleans, aka Chocolate City...

There's Washington DC, on all levels....who's the Big Man there right now? Oh, yeah, he's from Chicago.

Actually, I can't name a single city who's zoning board isn't influenced by money. That kind makes taking things to the zoning board pointless if you don't have cash.

And even if this were true, it doesn't mean a damn thing. You still don't get a say.
 
if you really want to improve relations with us, mr rauf, move your mosque
 
Where's the outrage that the mosque is being built?

The mosque isn't being built.

The mosque is being proposed.

This thread is evidence that there is outrage at the insult the islamic leadership is giving the United States with this Temple to Terrorism.

Why should they be outraged?

Muslims shouldn't be outraged. They support terrorism and they support their leaders who support terrorism.

That the likes of you wish to oppress them?

Got any evidence that I wish to oppress the followers of a religion that espouses terrorism? No, you do not. I merely oppose the terrorism and oppose any propaganda victories the terrorists seek to claim by building a temple to terrorism at the site of their most deadly success.

Or the outrage about terrorism? Are you SURE there is no outrage?

Not on your side of the board, that's for sure. There are some moderate muslims expressing ineffectual opposition, but they are not speaking for any identifiable majority of muslims.

Can i have your skype, i will introduce you to Khalid. He is a friend of mine and asylum to the UK. His mother died in a bomb attack by muslim extremists in Iraq. She was buried the next day and they still haven't found a quarter of all her body parts.

Don't you mean only a quarter of her was buried?

Care to talk to my friends aboard Pan Am Flight 103?

Oh, you can't.

They're dead.

And the terrorist who murdered them was greeted by cheering crowds when he got off the airplane in Libya after BP bribed judges in Scotland to let him go.

Where's the muslim's outrage over that one?

So much for your trading stories nonsense.

Why don't you tell him that his religion is evil

ALL religion is evil.

Some religions are more evil than others.

Again, that debate probably appropriate to this thread.

and all moderates want to bomb and kill everybody? Tell HIM that Islamic terrorism is aimed at expansion in the West and that moderate Muslims are not outraged by terrorists. You make me sick to the stomach, truly. But you need a reality check.

So long as the allegedly moderate muslims refuse to take any constructive action to take control of their religion away from the crazies, then they're part of the problem.

Islam has held no less than a quarter of the world's population in a perpetual 13th Century for the last 700 years. Its WAY past time for these alleged moderates to get off the pot and start doing things. What efforts have these alleged moderates had in liberating women in Islamic countries? How're they for gay rights? How're they doing promoting freedom of religious expression in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Libya, the UAE, Jordan, and Syria?

What have they accomplished, or are they just sacks of wind blowing hot gas?
 
until the mosque is moved, relations will worsen

so what's cordoba's real purpose?
 
yes, but 23 of 24 ny dems, according to politico's carol lee, are voicing their reluctant opposition to this plot---with their silence

Well, any Dem polician who wants to protect what America is supposed to be is in a hard spot, because that goes against the desires of the Democrat Party leadership and their financial backers.

Also their districts are so strongly gerrymandered that they have no diverse constituency that will give them support if the party leadership decides to amputate the odd stray misbehaving tentacle.

And I don't feel sorry for them at all. They helped create the system, they've benefitted from it, and if it bites them, that's fine.
 
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