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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

kaya'08 said:
Evidence to suggest they are extremists and support views of a terrorist nature please.
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The promoters of the Temple To Terrorism refuse to proclaim Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations.

kaya'08 said:
I'd appreciate it if you could debate without using childish insults like "temple of terrorism".
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Noted and repaired.

Temple TO Terrorism is more grammatically correct.
 
RightinNYC said:
Well, he won the "get elected president" game, so I guess that's something.
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but that's because he's so "good at campaigning and so bad at politics," according to a "top house democrat"

he's "more clumsy than clever," said "well connected democrats"

he "can't walk and chew gum at the same time," he "isn't able to handle multiple major challenges," worry "top house democrats," "senior house democrats"

White House political team stumbles, bumbles - Jonathan Allen and Carol E. Lee - POLITICO.com

remember?
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The promoters of the Temple To Terrorism refuse to proclaim Hamas and Hezbollah terrorist organizations.
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1) So do Europeans (that was a joke, but true nonetheless). :2razz:

In all seriousness, provide a link.


Noted and repaired.

Temple TO Terrorism is more grammatically correct.
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Am i suppose to be :lamo right now?
 
bottom line: obama's and rauf's stated purpose animating this project is to "improve west-muslim relations"

your efforts, fellas, are BACKFIRING

the relations you purportedly seek to improve are worrisomely worse (by a plurality of THIRTY NINE, 3 shy of the putz' newest lowest JOB APPROVAL, per gallup)

presidents are sposed to succeed

this mosque and our idiot-in-chief's buddinsky posture towards it are THIRTY NINE point failures

upshot---relations are hardly improving

witness this thread

did you see the sunday talks, have you read the times?

worry
 
Cyberhwk said:
Building religious buildings is a pretty damn important part of practicing your religion.
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That's nice.

Siting those religious buildings is a matter for the community to decide.

In this case, since the siting of the Temple TO Terrorism is a national issue, it's something the opinion of the nation has a role in.

The opinion of the nation is that there should not be a Temple TO Terrorism that close to Terrorism's most significant success.

And even if you argue it ISN'T a religious building, but an "interpretive center" it's still an open and shut case since you'd be discriminating based on religion.
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No.

Really, terrorism is not a religion. Terrorism isn't a way of life. Terrorism is a way of death, and that means I'm perfectly free to oppose citing a Temple to Terrorism in that location.

I think the Jews should build a temple across the street from every mosque in New York. I think the Southern Baptists should build a church on the right side of every mosque in New York. I think the Lutherans should build a church on the left of every mosque in New York. And I think the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons should take turns building their Halls and Temples behind every mosque in New York.

I also think that every single instance where Sharia law is invoked be investigated by New York's District Attorney, the State's Attorney General, and the US Justice Deparment and all misdemeanors and felonies uncovered be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and if the perpetrator is not a native born citizen that he be deported to his nation of origin as an undesirable foreign national.

That's how deadly infections are supposed to be treated. Isolation and anti-biotics.
 
exactly how do you go about improving relations with people by offending their heartfelt sentiments?

improving west-muslim relations---LOL!
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
That's nice.

Siting those religious buildings is a matter for the community to decide.

In this case, since the siting of the Temple TO Terrorism is a national issue, it's something the opinion of the nation has a role in.
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No, it's not.

Again, the fact that you think you should get a say doesn't mean you actually get a say.
 
kaya'08 said:
By saying this you assume all Muslims are terrorists and that the property must therefore be a monument to terrorism since all Muslims agree with that.

That's faulty logic and ignorant.
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No. That's consistent with observed fact, in that the vocal outrage by muslims in America against the atrocities of their brethren has been breathtaking by it's absence.

If they're not willing to protest the support of their leaders against these atrocities, then they share guilt.

If my sailing club started running down harbor seals because they mess up the marina, you can bet your ass I'd find a new canoe club in a hurry.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
No. That's consistent with observed fact, in that the vocal outrage by muslims in America against the atrocities of their brethren has been breathtaking by it's absence.

If they're not willing to protest the support of their leaders against these atrocities, then they share guilt.
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Are you saying moderate Muslims and Muslim leaders have failed to condemn terrorists? Because i can disprove that right now.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
There's a reason zoning laws exist.

It's so people have a say what's built in their neighborhoods.
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THANK YOU!

It's not President Obama's neighborhood, nor yours, apparently.

Therefore.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Really, terrorism is not a religion.
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But Islam IS.

I think the Jews should build a temple across the street from every mosque in New York. I think the Southern Baptists should build a church on the right side of every mosque in New York. I think the Lutherans should build a church on the left of every mosque in New York. And I think the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons should take turns building their Halls and Temples behind every mosque in New York.
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I DO TOO!!! If that's what these religions want to do then they should be able to build their buildings wherever they please.
 
Cyberhwk said:
His presented Birth Certificate satisfied the questions of all reasonable persons.
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His presented Photoshopped Certificate of Live Birth satisfied the incuriosity of people who didn't want to know the truth.

But you're allowing your misconceptions to get off the particular topic of this thread.
 
The Prof said:
bottom line: obama's and rauf's stated purpose animating this project is to "improve west-muslim relations"

your efforts, fellas, are BACKFIRING

the relations you purportedly seek to improve are worrisomely worse (by a plurality of THIRTY NINE, 3 shy of the putz' newest lowest JOB APPROVAL, per gallup)

presidents are sposed to succeed

this mosque and our idiot-in-chief's buddinsky posture towards it are THIRTY NINE point failures

upshot---relations are hardly improving

witness this thread

did you see the sunday talks, have you read the times?

worry
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No matter how much you think Obama is failing the Repubbies will blow any chance of beating him by just being even more dumber. Just stay tuned and watch in 2012.

It may be hard to top off having McCain pick Palin but I feel 2012 will be another colorful circus. Maybe Levi Johnson will take a stab at it.
 
RightinNYC said:
So which district in lower manhattan do you live in?
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The Los Angeles Quarter of the District of the United States, which has an interest in what is sited adjacent to a site memorializing thousands of citizens murdered by the Religion of Suicide Hijackers.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
His presented Photoshopped Certificate of Live Birth satisfied the incuriosity of people who didn't want to know the truth.

But you're allowing your misconceptions to get off the particular topic of this thread.
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Good idea. If anyone wants to discuss conspiracy theories about his citizenship any further, take it to the appropriate forum.
 
people have no say about whether or not their relations with some group are improved?

how oddly obamite
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
The Los Angeles Quarter of the District of the United States, which has an interest in what is sited adjacent to a site memorializing thousands of citizens murdered by the Religion of Suicide Hijackers.
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And that district doesn't get a seat on the zoning board.

 
kaya'08 said:
Are you saying moderate Muslims and Muslim leaders have failed to condemn terrorists? Because i can disprove that right now.
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They have failed to be effective by any measurable criteria.

16,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since 2001.

THAT is a measureable criterion.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
They have failed to be effective by any measurable criteria.

16,000 Islamic terrorist attacks since 2001.

THAT is a measureable criterion.
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Condemning is all they can do, and educating. What results where you expecting? How is your "statistics" proving anything? You still have failed to give me a link citing there support for Hamas.
 
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