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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

Redress said:
First, the KKK is not a religion. Second, while I think of the KKK in the same way I think of Baptists, if they want to open a headquarters somewhere, I don't care where, and there is nothing in the zoning to disallow it, they have to be allowed. I don't have to like it, but I can't, nor will I try, to stop it. Just because I don't like something does not mean I can infringe on people's rights, ever. Usually that is easy, sometimes, such as the example of the KKK, it's not so easy, but it is still necessary.
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You think of the KKK the same way you think of baptists? I am somewhat surprised to hear that from you. (And not in a good way, Redress.) I think you just went from 98% accuracy to about 93% :mrgreen:

You know what they say, "One awww-**** wipes out 10 atta-boys." :peace
 
Redress said:
First, the KKK is not a religion. Second, while I think of the KKK in the same way I think of Baptists, if they want to open a headquarters somewhere, I don't care where, and there is nothing in the zoning to disallow it, they have to be allowed. I don't have to like it, but I can't, nor will I try, to stop it. Just because I don't like something does not mean I can infringe on people's rights, ever. Usually that is easy, sometimes, such as the example of the KKK, it's not so easy, but it is still necessary.
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So, the KKK and the Baptists are the same thing? Kind of a bigotted statement there, eh? Be careful, I got a moderater warning for comparing the KKK to Islam.
 
Captain America said:
You think of the KKK the same way you think of baptists? I am somewhat surprised to hear that from you. (And not in a good way, Redress.) I think you just went from 98% accuracy to about 93% :mrgreen:

You know what they say, "One awww-**** wipes out 10 atta-boys." :peace
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You're only a bigot, if the Libbos disagree with you. If they agree with your opinion, then you are, enlightened thinker.
 
Really quickly, since this is way off topic, but the Baptist church threw my mother out, publicly, and referenced doing so, and her being damned to hell, in front of my sister and I(aged 7 and 5). I have personal reasons for disliking the baptist church, and freely admit it is not an entirely rational emotion. This is also off the point I was trying to make.
 
Captain America said:
So true. But if "the election" doesn't go the way some are wishing it will go, will it then be a war or just more years of non-stop whining?
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thanks, politics is politics

whosever is up beats the crap outta whoever's down, who whines

that's why obama so often resembles a little girl, blaming his predecessor for deficits, the failure of the stimulus to cap unemployment at 8%, the ESCALATION of HIS war in afghanistan...

it is what it is

obama's on the FAR wrong side of just about every issue, afghanistan is a disaster, and the economy's a crapper

come, november!
 
apdst said:
You're only a bigot, if the Libbos disagree with you. If they agree with your opinion, then you are, enlightened thinker.
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You really should stop explaining what "Libbos" think, you are 100 % of the time wrong.
 
The Prof said:
and TWENTY SEVEN POINT margins are not regularly overcome between a given august and a named november



on this topic, leadership requires the actual improvement of relations

leadership is falling fatally flat, empirically

anecdotally, turn on your tv

i appreciate your characteristic depth of thought
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Clue: Obama is not on the ballot in November.
 
Redress said:
You really should stop explaining what "Libbos" think, you are 100 % of the time wrong.
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Not this time, obviously. Your bigotted comments about Baptists prove my point with 100% clarity.
 
Redress said:
while I think of the KKK in the same way I think of Baptists, if they want to open a headquarters somewhere, I don't care where, and there is nothing in the zoning to disallow it, they have to be allowed. I don't have to like it
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ah, but if their stated purpose was to improve relations with you, then the religionists (LOL!) would be fools to ignore your sentiments

think

otherwise you might compare baptists to the kkk
 
apdst said:
Perhaps not, but his policies are.
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Yes and no. There is a reason why midtem elections tend to go against the party of the president. Look at graphs of presidential approval ratings, they almost all come in with fairly high approval, then prove they can't fix everything in 6 months(not that any promise to actually do that, but people think they do), and that approval drops, usually rapidly. Happened to Bush till 9/11, when it spiked up, then started back on the trend, happened to Clinton, happened to Reagan and Carter. Did not happen quite like that to Bush the elder, and I am not 100 % sure why. He is the exception.

With the president's approval dropping as they always do, and the economy still mired in bad news(which I don't think any one person or party is entirely responsible for, nor do I think Obama could have fixed it by now), and the extreme lopsidedness in the makeup of the house and senate, I think republican gains are inevitable. I also don't think anything Obama could have done would have changed this. So it's not so much his policy, as that democrats are in power when things are bad, and republicans will benefit.
 
Redress said:
Obama is not on the ballot in November.
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certainly, the president has nothing to do with it

LOL!

thoughts too deep, too meritricous for the common man, woman or other
 
apdst said:
Not this time, obviously. Your bigotted comments about Baptists prove my point with 100% clarity.
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Actually, you are just making an effort now to avoid the fact I had your argument destroyed and you had no comment. So instead you focus on something else.

By the way, you will notice I pretty much never call people bigots.
 
The Prof said:
certainly, the president has nothing to do with it

LOL!

thoughts too deep, too meritricous for the common man, woman or other
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This has absolutely nothing to do with what I said.
 
Redress said:
Yes and no. There is a reason why midtem elections tend to go against the party of the president. Look at graphs of presidential approval ratings, they almost all come in with fairly high approval, then prove they can't fix everything in 6 months(not that any promise to actually do that, but people think they do), and that approval drops, usually rapidly. Happened to Bush till 9/11, when it spiked up, then started back on the trend, happened to Clinton, happened to Reagan and Carter. Did not happen quite like that to Bush the elder, and I am not 100 % sure why. He is the exception.

With the president's approval dropping as they always do, and the economy still mired in bad news(which I don't think any one person or party is entirely responsible for, nor do I think Obama could have fixed it by now), and the extreme lopsidedness in the makeup of the house and senate, I think republican gains are inevitable. I also don't think anything Obama could have done would have changed this. So it's not so much his policy, as that democrats are in power when things are bad, and republicans will benefit.
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I guess that's why the Dems are under orders not to talk about their accomplishments?...LOL This isn't just a cycle, it's a failed attempt at destroying the country.
 
Redress said:
Actually, you are just making an effort now to avoid the fact I had your argument destroyed and you had no comment.
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none of us is any better position than any other to declare whether or not one's argument has destroyed another's

members should be free to judge for themselves

hello

how immoderate can a member be?
 
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Redress said:
...and the economy still mired in bad news...
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The state of the economy, not some localized issue over the siting of a Mosque, will be the leading driver of November's elections.

For those who want yet another poll added to the mix: Priorities
 
Redress said:
Moderator's Warning:
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thank you, to whom should we report it, again?
 
The Prof said:
thank you, to whom should we report it, again?
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Sorry, my eyes just rolled right out of my head.

Hit the hazard button next to thanks.
 
The Prof said:
but no one has yet answered that most hateful question

why is obama THIRTY NINE points behind his opposition on this issue (according to cnn)?

why is he 30 to 40 points upside down on virtually every major problem facing this nation?

i thought y'all said he was smart
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Prof,

It's real easy for people to dislike that which they don't fully understand. But as I said in a recent thread where a former Reagan appointee spoke out against some Conservative economic policies since Reagan was in office, I'm beginning to get a better understanding of some things that took place behind the scenes that helped shape not only our nation's foreign and domestic policies but also many of our social views as well. As has been said in this forum countless times, "If you repeat something often enough, the lie eventually becomes the truth."

I've always been a firm believer that in order to discern what the truth really is, one must seek knowledge for himself. With so much information being thrown at us each and every day from so many sources, the only way to filter out the political "white-noise", IMO, is to take a step back and collect information from as many partician sources as possible and apply that knowledge based within its historical content. To this, I think many Americans are extremely confused and very misinformed concerning many of the politics of the day. So many things have been left undone in this country and we've all bought into the "lie" here or there. For me, what I "see" from the current Administration based on President Obama's agenda is a President who is brave enough and bold enough to tackle many of the issues that have been so widely ignored by prior Administrations that affect so many of us. We're all afraid of change; it's never popular when one is forced to move outside their comfort zone. Sometimes, those holding public office have a better understanding of the issues that affect the nation as a whole. From where I stand, it's about time someone began to take on more of the domestic issues that affect the People rather than be so focused on the foreign issues that seem to help only the Corporate political machine even if that aide first reaches across the oceans before focusing on the boundaries of our shores.

Note: I want it to be clear that in my use of the term "white-noise", I am using it as a media metaphor not a racial slant by any means. In this case, I'm referring to the political "static" that comes at us from various directions much like the annoying sounds we hear when we lose the singal on our television or radio. If we can all filter out the political pundit "static," I think one can discern for himself what's truly happening within the political spectrum.
 
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