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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

Johnny DooWop said:
There you go! That's better than telling bad jokes while trying to dodge being confronted with your own bigotry.
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Yes I'm an anti-religious bigot, you caught me, it's not like that I've said I'm an avowed atheist and actively opposed to all organized religion like a million times on this forum, your powers of deduction are ****ing amazing. I want to be just like you when I grow up.
 
Agent Ferris said:
No ****, you can still defend the Constitutions while condemning the actions being taken which are protected by the Constitution. For example I don't have to support the Nazi Party to support their right to public protest. You can actively condemn the Nazi party while still supporting the Constitution, the two things are not mutually exclusive.



That's ****ing bull****, that mother ****ing POS islamist wants a sharia compliant U.S., said that the U.S. was partially responsible for 9-11, said that OBL was made in the USA, and refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization.
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Excactly, Obama merely supported the Constitutionality of building the mosque. That is something I can agree with.

On the second half of your post, I admit that I don't know much about that, so can you post a link for me to evaluate? Thanx in advance.
 
Agent Ferris said:
Yes I'm an anti-religious bigot, you caught me, it's not like that I've said I'm an avowed atheist and actively opposed to all organized religion like a million times on this forum, your powers of deduction are ****ing amazing. I want to be just like you when I grow up.
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Dare to dream, sweetpea.

How many years do we have to wait before the expected growing up actually transpires?
 
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BDBoop said:
Kindly try to stay on topic. You said - it's a tradition.

You promptly changed the subject. Just once, I'd like to see you admit you were wrong.
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Wow! Since when did he care about tradition?
 
danarhea said:
Excactly, Obama merely supported the Constitutionality of building the mosque. That is something I can agree with.

On the second half of your post, I admit that I don't know much about that, so can you post a link for me to evaluate? Thanx in advance.
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Here he is calling for Sharia:

But it is important that we understand what is meant by Shariah law. Islamic law is about God's law, and it is not that far from what we read in the Declaration of Independence about "the Laws of Nature and Nature's God." The Declaration says "men are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

At the core of Shariah law are God's commandments, revealed in the Old Testament and revised in the New Testament and the Quran. The principles behind American secular law are similar to Shariah law - that we protect life, liberty and property, that we provide for the common welfare, that we maintain a certain amount of modesty. What Muslims want is to ensure that their secular laws are not in conflict with the Quran or the Hadith, the sayings of Muhammad.


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He clearly supports Sharia law but is opposed to the penal codes used in Sharia law. That means he has no problem whatsoever with criminalizing adultery, apostasy, homosexuality etc, but only that he views the penal code as too strict.

Here he is blaming the U.S. for 9-11 and saying OBL was made in the USA less than 3 weeks after 9-11:

Bradley: Are you in any way suggesting that we in the United States deserved what happened?

Faisal: I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but united states policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

Bradley: You say that we're an accessory? How?

Faisal: Because we have been accessory to a lot of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.

Prominent American Muslims denounce terror committed in the name of Islam
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Here he is refusing to recognize Hamas as a terrorist organization:

According to the State Department's assessment, "Hamas terrorists, especially those in the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, have conducted many attacks, including large-scale suicide bombings, against Israeli civilian and military targets."

Asked if he agreed with the State Department's assessment, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf told WABC radio, "Look, I'm not a politician.

"The issue of terrorism is a very complex question," he told interviewer Aaron Klein.

"There was an attempt in the '90s to have the UN define what terrorism is and say who was a terrorist. There was no ability to get agreement on that."

Asked again for his opinion on Hamas, an exasperated Rauf wouldn't budge.

"I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy," Rauf said, insisting that he wants to see peace in Israel between Jews and Arabs.

Rauf also would not answer a question about Egypt's outlawed Muslim Brotherhood.

"I have nothing to do with the Muslim Brotherhood. My father was never a member of the Muslim Brotherhood," he said, disputing a rumor.

Muslim Imam leading push to build a mosque near Ground Zero wavers on questions about Hamas as a terror group - NYPOST.com
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danarhea said:
Sensitivity to whatever has nothing to do whatsoever with this issue.
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sensitivity towards those to whom you're reaching out has nothing to do with any attempt to improve relations with em?

hmm...

well, the targets of the reachout are, after all, just a bunch of haters

i guess rauf and obama (and their supporters) are going about this, after all, pretty much like a pair of louis howe's

wonder why it's not working, why it's backfiring, in fact

the protest has gotten much louder just since ramadan

and tomorrow's sunday

i wonder what david gregory's gonna say?

party on, progressives!

(thirty nine point plurality---ouch)

november, baby!
 
Well, this has gone way over the extreme. Muslims attacked the World Trade Towers, and killed 3000 in the process. Americans should build a memorial to those killed, not a mosque honoring the attack. I have nothing against Muslims, but truthfully, this is over the line of decency
 
Proud South Korean said:
Well, this has gone way over the extreme. Muslims attacked the World Trade Towers, and killed 3000 in the process. Americans should build a memorial to those killed, not a mosque honoring the attack. I have nothing against Muslims, but truthfully, this is over the line of decency
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This thread is so full of BS. From the title suggesting Obama supports the mosque.

That was a flat lie. He said they had the right but also said that he would not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there.

This sounds like something Palin would say in accusing Obama of sending in troops to build the mosque.

It would be so nice if people could read and comprehend instead of jumping on soundbites.
 
It's sort of hard to oppose this without conflating Al Qaeda with mainstream Muslims. Either you believe:

1. Al Qaeda and mainstream Muslims are identical.

2. They aren't identical, but people can't be expected to differentiate the two, so we evaluate them as though they are identical.
 
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Mosque controversy swirls around Obama - James Hohmann and Maggie Haberman and Mike Allen - POLITICO.com

some comments from hohman, haberman and allen

"the white house on saturday struggled to tamp down the controversy over obama's remarks friday nite"

he "transformed an emotion-laden local dispute in new york into a nationwide debate overnite"

"democrats---at least those who were willing to comment---could barely contain their frustration over obama's remarks, saying he had potentially placed every one of their candidates into the middle of the debate"
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it is what it is---politico, which proudly boasted three known members of the prestigious journo-list, illustrious representatives of gibbs' professional left, does not appear very impressed with the president's prospects

neither do the members of his party
 
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Jetboogieman said:
How did I know it would be you that said it.

What a credible argument you have here apdst...

Is Chickie your wife?
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No, she loves Jews, not black men.
 
danarhea said:
Excactly, Obama merely supported the Constitutionality of building the mosque. That is something I can agree with.

On the second half of your post, I admit that I don't know much about that, so can you post a link for me to evaluate? Thanx in advance.
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Do you have a link for the first half of your post? Thanks in Advance....


Oh, and does your link have a link for its link?
 
Navy Pride said:
This guy proves more and more every day that he does not care about this country and is at worse a radical Islam sympathizer and at best and Arab lover..............There is no defense for this clown...................
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Yes Navy....isn't it absolutely horrible that we have a President that ACTUALLY believes in the Freedoms that this Country was founded on? Isn't is just downright disgusting that we have a President that recognizes that the Constitution and its guarantees are not just a piece of paper? Afterall, where is this country headed when we have a President that respects the rights of all people to worship freely rather than a President that respects only so-called "Christian" values?
 
soccerboy22 said:
Again people may not like it, but nothing legally can be done. What would you want the President to do say no they can't build it?
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It'd be nice to seem him show some leadership for once in his presidency and come out and say it is in poor taste, along with the fact that the financial backers have questionable ties. He is so pro-muslim at this point, its embarrassing.

How a christian or jew in the US can vote for him in 2012 is unfathomable, he almost makes me long for Carter, who I was ready to mark as the worst president of the last century, but Obama is overtaking him by a wide margin.
 
Forgive me if I'm reading this wrong, but are the following not true?
1. The 'Mosque' will not be at Ground Zero, but 2 city blocks north of it.
2. That no one is building a Mosque anyway, but converting an old factory into an Islamic Cultural Centre.
3. That no one is accusing the Moslems of doing anything illegal.
4. That zoning laws permit the change of use of the building in question.

Why is this an issue?
 
Redress said:
So Obama should base his stance on issues based on polls?
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He should:

1) have respect for those of us living here to decide our own issues
2) he already did function entirely on polls, at least until they started going against him
3) show some leadership for once
 
DiAnna said:
I don't believe the KKK is a religion, so your example does not appear to be applicable.
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I do not believe that islam is a religion, but a cult, so I do not know how your comment is applicable.
 
DiAnna said:
Well, it's been around for about 1400 years, and 1.3 billion people practice it. I'd say it qualifies as a religion.
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Fallacy of numbers theorum. There were 70 million Nazi party followers, and many millions of Nazi party members - was Nazism a religion too?
 
joergan said:
I do not believe that islam is a religion, but a cult, so I do not know how your comment is applicable.
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What is the definition between a religion and a cult then?
 
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