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President Obama comes out in support of Ground Zero mosque

but no one has yet answered that most hateful question

why is obama THIRTY NINE points behind his opposition on this issue (according to cnn)?

why is he 30 to 40 points upside down on virtually every major problem facing this nation?

i thought y'all said he was smart
 
you're gonna tell the link master what he's arguing?

LOL!

Exactly. You harp on Obama on polls attacking him on his refusal to go with the results of the polls. Hence, you want him to do what Clinton did.

how can improvers of relations so openly go about offending those with whom they claim they want to be better friends?

Answer my question first. Or admit you don't care about what America actually stands for.

listen to the people with whom you wish to improve relations

Therefore, be like Clinton and waffle with the polls. Got it. You're a reason I'm not a registered republican.
 
The president should not base his decisions on popularity polls. The religious freedoms in this country are not subject to popularity polls. This fascination with posting popularity polls every 5 seconds is bizarre.

Amusingly, that's what Clinton did and Republicans raked him over the coals for it. Doonesbury and This Modern World satirized him as it. It's hilarious to see diehard republicans like Prof now argue for Obama to do what they attacked Clinton on.

Bunch of either short term memory people or raging hypocrites.
 
you want him to do what Clinton did.

you don't know me very well

anyway, there's no chance of it

obama's too dumb

bubba was a master pol, he made my job back then a lot harder

clinton understood american politics, he understood the american people, he knew how to win

You're a reason I'm not a registered republican.

really, me?

LOL!

not john boehner or mrs alaska?

i'm flattered
 
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obama's attempt to improve relations sure isn't working

i wonder why

you can't say he's not trying
 
Yes Obama is a radical leftist Christian and member of the black equivalent to a Christian Identity Church. Get it right people. lol

Here are Obama's exact words, folks!

"Well, my intention was simply to let people know what I thought. Which was that In this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion. ..."

Gee, how Constitutional of him. This must not stand. :mrgreen:
 
obama's attempt to improve relations sure isn't working

i wonder why

you can't say he's not trying

This remind me alot of a member who kept saying, over and over dozens of times a thread, that the health care bill was dead. He managed to convince himself, and yet the health care bill passed. Saying something dozens of times does not make it somehow magically true.
 
ah, the hate

but 50% of ny dems?

What is wrong with you? How could expect Obama to try to violate the constitution and prevent them from building a temple? I don't care if it was 100% of NY dems, its against the law!!!!
i think we've hit on it, here, folks, after 200 posts of relations improving discourse

exactly how does one go about getting on better with a hater, that's the question

it's really very deep and philosophical, when you think about it

If you could answer that question you'd win a nobel prize, because that would prevent most civil wars.
 
Here are Obama's exact words, folks!

"Well, my intention was simply to let people know what I thought. Which was that In this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion. ..."

Gee, how Constitutional of him. This must not stand. :mrgreen:

He's right but I would have liked him to say that it is completely insensitive and if they cared about bettering relations between Muslims and non-Muslims that this is the wrong way to do it which by now is plainly obvious.
 
obama's attempt to improve relations sure isn't working

i wonder why

you can't say he's not trying

Its because Obama exposed conservatives for who they really are. It reminds me of what happened to Dog the Bounty Hunter. He paraded around as this Christian hero, and then when his son started dating a black girl his true colors came out. When America elected a black, liberal, Muslim-friendly president, the true bigotry that lies below the surface of many conservatives came spewing out.
 
He's right but I would have liked him to say that it is completely insensitive and if they cared about bettering relations between Muslims and non-Muslims that this is the wrong way to do it which by now is plainly obvious.

Don't lie. This wouldn't have appease you. You hate everything Obama stands for. If you lived in the 1850s you'd be one of those people's trying to preserve slavery in the name of "states rights" and if this was the 1950s you'd be protesting civil rights.
 
if rauf and obama really want to improve west-muslim relations why don't they care what their neighbors think?
 
Here are Obama's exact words, folks!

"Well, my intention was simply to let people know what I thought. Which was that In this country we treat everybody equally and in accordance with the law, regardless of race, regardless of religion. ..."

Gee, how Constitutional of him. This must not stand. :mrgreen:

Well, not that we didn't know before, but this Cordoba Initiative threads show just how many so called Conservatives are complete total fakes. And boy there are a lot.

We got a lot of posers when pushed on their beliefs show they don't hold them at all.
 
rauf has every right to build his mosque, and if he really wants to he should do it

but not if he's sincere about trying to improve community feelings

obama, either way, is a fool
 
oh, no, it's not working, manifestly, measurably

CNN Poll: 68% of American Voters Oppose Ground Zero Mosque | The Weekly Standard

Fox News Poll: 64 Percent Think It's Wrong to Build Mosque Near Ground Zero - Politics

i appreciate that you some of you may find political polling irrelevant (LOL!), but it's really the only empirics we have, y'know, until AFTER an election

very good

Further evidence you are in fact arguing that Obama should base policy on popularity polls despite your claims to the contrary.

It doesn't MATTER if 99% of the population is against it. It is their legal and religion right as enshrined in the COTUS to allow it. While it is becoming increasingly clear you don't give a **** about the highest law of the land much less America's history, nothing you can say proves that what Obama said or what the builders want is illegal or wrong.

rauf has every right to build his mosque, and if he really wants to he should do it

but not if he's sincere about trying to improve community feelings

obama, either way, is a fool

Wow. That took a large number of posts to get you to admit that.
 
A Burlington Coat Factory or a Mosque?

The history associated with the building, a former Burlington Coat Factory store that closed after being damaged on 9/11, was a reason to pick it for the project, she said.

"We want to create a platform by which the voices of the mainstream and silent majority of Muslims will be amplified. A center of this scale and magnitude will do that," Khan said. "We feel it's an obligation as Muslims and Americans to be part of the rebuilding of downtown Manhattan."
 
Don't lie. This wouldn't have appease you.

I really don't care about Obama's opinion on the matter, but if he had to chime in this is what I would have liked to hear.

You hate everything Obama stands for.

Pretty much ya.

If you lived in the 1850s you'd be one of those people's trying to preserve slavery in the name of "states rights"

Yep ya caught me but not because of state's rights but only because I hate stove pipe hats.

and if this was the 1950s you'd be protesting civil rights.

If this was the 1950's I'd probably be wearing a black beret and writing bad poetry.
 
If this was the 1950's I'd probably be wearing a black beret and writing bad poetry.

Again, when you confront the conservative on the destructive history of their beliefs their arguments fall flat and are reduced to bad attempts at humor.
 
He's right but I would have liked him to say that it is completely insensitive and if they cared about bettering relations between Muslims and non-Muslims that this is the wrong way to do it which by now is plainly obvious.

1) Sensitivity to whatever has nothing to do whatsoever with this issue. It's about the Constitution, and upholding it. Kind of funny how some people talk about how having activist judges is a bad thing, then when something happens that is within the Constitution, and that they don't like, they start looking for an activist judge who will listen to them.

2) Here is what the spokesman for the mosque said:

"We want to create a platform by which the voices of the mainstream and silent majority of Muslims will be amplified. A center of this scale and magnitude will do that. We feel it's an obligation as Muslims and Americans to be part of the rebuilding of downtown Manhattan."

So if you love America, you will want to be part of the rebuilding of Manhattan, except if you are Muslim, then any display of patriotism on your part doesn't matter? You are still a filthy terrorist? Is that it?
 
Care to quote me on any of that?

I'm betting, uh, nooooo!

But, hey, go for it...I double dog dare ya.

Hell, I quoted you in a side-by-side and you ignored it so why should anybody bother?
 
Again, when you confront the conservative on the destructive history of their beliefs their arguments fall flat and are reduced to bad attempts at humor.

What history have you confronted? WTF are you talking about? You busted out a crystal ball which sees into the past and doubles as a "what if machine" to make the determination that I would support slavery and be opposed to the civil rights movement.

I can do that too, if this was the 1770's you'd be one of those people opposed to the American revolution, if this was the 1920's you'd be one of those people supporting Stalin, if this was the 1970's you'd be one of those people supporting Pol Pot.

:roll:
 
1) Sensitivity to whatever has nothing to do whatsoever with this issue. It's about the Constitution, and upholding it. Kind of funny how some people talk about how having activist judges is a bad thing, then when something happens that is within the Constitution, and that they don't like, they start looking for an activist judge who will listen to them.

No ****, you can still defend the Constitutions while condemning the actions being taken which are protected by the Constitution. For example I don't have to support the Nazi Party to support their right to public protest. You can actively condemn the Nazi party while still supporting the Constitution, the two things are not mutually exclusive.

2) Here is what the spokesman for the mosque said:

"We want to create a platform by which the voices of the mainstream and silent majority of Muslims will be amplified. A center of this scale and magnitude will do that. We feel it's an obligation as Muslims and Americans to be part of the rebuilding of downtown Manhattan."

So if you love America, you will want to be part of the rebuilding of Manhattan, except if you are Muslim, then any display of patriotism on your part doesn't matter? You are still a filthy terrorist? Is that it?

That's ****ing bull****, that mother ****ing POS islamist wants a sharia compliant U.S., said that the U.S. was partially responsible for 9-11, said that OBL was made in the USA, and refuses to condemn Hamas as a terrorist organization.
 
What history have you confronted? WTF are you talking about? You busted out a crystal ball which sees into the past and doubles as a "what if machine" to make the determination that I would support slavery and be opposed to the civil rights movement.

I can do that too, if this was the 1770's you'd be one of those people opposed to the American revolution, if this was the 1920's you'd be one of those people supporting Stalin, if this was the 1970's you'd be one of those people supporting Pol Pot.

:roll:

There you go! That's better than telling bad jokes while trying to dodge being confronted with your own bigotry.
 
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