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Majority of Americans now support gay marriage according to CNN poll.

Groucho said:
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Even if you debate these numbers, the trend is inescapable. Even if you think the poll may be flawed, you can't deny that it's going to happen.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/08/11/rel11a1a.pdf
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The whole world should turn gay, that would solve all our problems. Is that all you ever think about?
 
danarhea said:
Want to know what is accounting for the trend? Old people are dying out, and being replaced with younger people.
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Hey, I'm old and I'm all for gay marriages! I think one of the reasons that the topic has gained more public support is that more and more gays are coming out of the closet, and society is realizing that *gasp!* gays are people just like them. In fact, they are learning that their favorite cousin, their best friend in high school, their own brother or sister... not to mention some of their favorite celebrities... are gay. The gay and lesbian community has become more open, more familiar, and they aren't the scarey folks people decades back made them to be... especially during the height of the HIV/AIDS revelations.

Also, I think that many people are listening to homosexuals as they talk about how they never made a decision to be gay any more than the rest of us made a decision to be heterosexual. They just were. I believe that, and I think eventually science will be able to prove that sexual orientation is genetic. As society comes to the realization that sexual orientation, like race and gender, is something we are born with, then constitutional protections will be expanded to cover sexual orientation as well.

As it should.
 
DiAnna said:
Hey, I'm old and I'm all for gay marriages! I think one of the reasons that the topic has gained more public support is that more and more gays are coming out of the closet, and society is realizing that *gasp!* gays are people just like them. In fact, they are learning that their favorite cousin, their best friend in high school, their own brother or sister... not to mention some of their favorite celebrities... are gay. The gay and lesbian community has become more open, more familiar, and they aren't the scarey folks people decades back made them to be... especially during the height of the HIV/AIDS revelations.

Also, I think that many people are listening to homosexuals as they talk about how they never made a decision to be gay any more than the rest of us made a decision to be heterosexual. They just were. I believe that, and I think eventually science will be able to prove that sexual orientation is genetic. As society comes to the realization that sexual orientation, like race and gender, is something we are born with, then constitutional protections will be expanded to cover sexual orientation as well.

As it should.
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Yea, if it weren't for all those Republican family values guys being outed........

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texmaster said:
That doesn't explain an 0-31 record. BTW, great Daily Kos graphic my fellow conservative. LOL
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Actually, the polling data does explain it quite clearly, since we only now hit crossed the majority line. So in the past when those votes where taken, they would have been further to the left on the graph.
 
chickie said:
CNN is a liberal joke that no one takes seriously. Most Americans do NOT support homosexuals marrying. They say so in the polls EVERY TIME there is a vote.
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In Texas only 13% of the eligible voters even bothered to vote when gay gay marriage was on the ballot here. Considering the 87% that did not vote I would say the majority could care less whether or not that gays get married.
 
winston53660 said:
In Texas only 13% of the eligible voters even bothered to vote when gay gay marriage was on the ballot here. Considering the 87% that did not vote I would say the majority could care less whether or not that gays get married.
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True that about Texas. In the last governor's election, Perry won reelecton with only 36% of the vote. LOL.
 
danarhea said:
True that about Texas. In the last governor's election, Perry won reelecton with only 36% of the vote. LOL.
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I figured most had to drink a Shiner Bock at the time for what ever reason.
 
I'm waiting for the poll where Americans favor that the State should not monopolize the institution of marriage.
 
danarhea said:
My wife also uses the internet, and she is a Daily Kos fan. She pointed that out to me. She is a Liberal, BTW. But nice try on the personal attack. It only reinforces your own dishonest image here at DP, in preferring to make personal attacks instead of discussing issues.
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Your wife didn't tell me they were going to vote for White for governor. Don't blame your wife in this. You chose to post it.

That doesn't explain an 0-31 record. Did you miss that part of my post? Was it hard to see since it was at the beginning?

BTW, do you disagree with the graph? If so, why? I think that is the issue, not which way you wish to tell people I lean. Care to explain what you think of the graph, or would you prefer to make another personal attack instead?
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Since you provided zero content on the story that goes with it. (this is me shocked) I cant. How about you produce the information that backs up the graphic or do you just randomly post what your wife tells you?

Or are you just going to run away and hide again, like you did the last time I called you out on your dishonesty in a thread?
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Name that time Dan. Give me that link I'll be happy to go back and correct your false statement.
 
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Redress said:
Actually, the polling data does explain it quite clearly, since we only now hit crossed the majority line. So in the past when those votes where taken, they would have been further to the left on the graph.
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In the past was less than 2 years ago Redress. 3 votes, all struck down. This is one single poll with as others have pointed out a misleading question.
 
Frankly I don't care what Glen Beck or anyone thinks about same-sex marriage. All I'm interested in is the law makers and courts acknowledging what equal protection means in the year 2010. I don't care what people think the "tradition" of marriage has always been. Gays have never had as many rights in society as they have gained in the past 50-60 years, so naturally that civil rights movement is going to go forward and demand total equality with heterosexuals.

As for abortion, same deal. The mob can say what it likes against abortion, but women have a constitutional right to privacy and personhood is not an objective qualifier for denying women the right to form answers to their own spiritual questions about what sex, pregnancy, and abortion means to them. So to suggest that populism is beginning to work against abortion is completely irrelevant, just like how the Prop 8 vote to strike down same-sex marriage was irrelevant.

The mob does not determine civil rights and they never will, so you can post all the polls you want about it. I don't care if the majority is in favor or against civil rights issues; all I care about is my individual right to live my life the way I want, and if it's not infringing on another person's right to do the same, then they can just **** off and mind their own damn business.
 
Oh, come on! The OP’s poll creates a penis like shape. :lol:
I don’t know, I mean you allow consenting adults to create unions and then they are going to want the right to free speech, and freedom of religion and the freedom to travel and then what will our oligarchy do? :mrgreen:
 
Orion said:
Frankly I don't care what Glen Beck or anyone thinks about same-sex marriage. All I'm interested in is the law makers and courts acknowledging what equal protection means in the year 2010. I don't care what people think the "tradition" of marriage has always been. Gays have never had as many rights in society as they have gained in the past 50-60 years, so naturally that civil rights movement is going to go forward and demand total equality with heterosexuals.

As for abortion, same deal. The mob can say what it likes against abortion, but women have a constitutional right to privacy and personhood is not an objective qualifier for denying women the right to form answers to their own spiritual questions about what sex, pregnancy, and abortion means to them. So to suggest that populism is beginning to work against abortion is completely irrelevant, just like how the Prop 8 vote to strike down same-sex marriage was irrelevant.
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This is a good point. Populism doesn't matter, following the law is what matters here. Having said that, though, sometimes it takes a shift in popular culture before the legal challenges can even occur to allow the supreme court to rule on a legal issue. That's our experience in the U.S., anyway, with both women's rights and civil rights.
 
texmaster said:
That doesn't explain an 0-31 record. BTW, great Daily Kos graphic my fellow conservative. LOL
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Sure it does. You guys are might be winning the battles but you are losing the war. You all want to look to the past without recognizing the dramatic shifts in public attitudes.
 
The GOP ignores this trend at their own peril.

Unless they move into the 21st century, they will end up being a marginal party. Right now, they have a majority of white voters and elderly voters. Whites will eventually be less than 50% in America and the elderly will eventually all die off.

(Not the Democrats are doing much better, admittedly, but social issues-wise, people are moving away from the GOP at a fast pace)
 
Groucho said:
The GOP ignores this trend at their own peril.

Unless they move into the 21st century, they will end up being a marginal party. Right now, they have a majority of white voters and elderly voters. Whites will eventually be less than 50% in America and the elderly will eventually all die off.

(Not the Democrats are doing much better, admittedly, but social issues-wise, people are moving away from the GOP at a fast pace)
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This is very true. But there's always this issue:

Time and time again, when things go horribly wrong with civilizations, there's always a scapegoat, and if you use it enough it can gain traction quite easily.

If this double dip ressecion that could very well happen, turns into a full blown depression we could see many peoples attitudes on things turn back when the GOP says god is punishing us for letting gays marry.

We didn't let them marry in the 50's and look! Everyone was happy then!
 
lolololol did anyone else notice a "strange shape"?

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You gay marriage backers have a long way to go....

Same-sex marriage ceremonySame-sex marriage, also referred to as gay marriage, is marriage between two persons of the same sex. The federal government of the United States does not recognize the marriages of same-sex couples and is prohibited from doing so by the Defense of Marriage Act. Nationwide, same-sex marriage is legal in three states as a result of a court ruling and in two others plus a district through a vote in their respective legislatures.

Same-sex marriages are currently granted by five of the 50 states, one federal district, and one Indian tribe:
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Same-sex marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Defense of Marriage Act is the short title of a federal law of the United States passed on September 21, 1996 as Public Law No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419. Its provisions are codified at 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C. Under the law, also known as DOMA, no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) needs to treat as a marriage a same-sex relationship considered a marriage in another state (DOMA, Section 2); the federal government defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman (DOMA, Section 3).

The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85–14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342–67 in the House of Representatives,[2] and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996.
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Defense of Marriage Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This as it should be.... if the majority of the voters in a State votes to ban or allow gay marriage, the people of that State that don't like the outcome of the vote have the option to go to another State that more closely follows their values. If the Fed is allowed to "homogenize" the law, and either ban gay marriage for all States, or force gay marriage on all States, a certain percentage of the population will be disenfranchised, and the diversity of our country will be compromised.
 
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