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Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

VanceMack said:
So that seems kinda backward. But if they can get the Gay club established before hand, then can the Gay club sue them to not allow a church within so many feet of their building?
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No, it doesn't work like that. Churches, residential areas, etc. can state that a bar/club is subverting community norms and standards, or contributing to low-level crime in the area, or is a public nuisance. It usually doesn't happen the other way around, because churches are viewed as valuable pro-social organizations that contribute to the well-being of the community.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
No, it doesn't work like that. Churches, residential areas, etc. can state that a bar/club is subverting community norms and standards, or contributing to low-level crime in the area, or is a public nuisance. It usually doesn't happen the other way around, because churches are viewed as valuable pro-social organizations that contribute to the well-being of the community.
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So what if it was just a non-alchol serving 'dry' club? They couldnt possibly object to it then.

I have to deal you...the first time I heard the muslim call to prayer in Michigan...I wanted to puke. The thought of a mosque going in on the site of the twin towers...****. And thats from someone who actually has 4 years experience in the region...LIKES it there and actually has a very healthy respect for most muslims...
 
texmaster said:
Its a free country right? :lamo
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Yup, and if they legally purchace the land and meet all the zoning laws/permits; then there is no problem with putting up a gay bar next to the mosque.
 
VanceMack said:
I have to deal you...the first time I heard the muslim call to prayer in Michigan...I wanted to puke.
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That sounds like a personal problem. It's as illogical as the atheists who seemingly have problems with Church bells ringing in a town.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Yeah, sounds like you've got a real healthy attitude there:roll:
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It may come as a surprise, but some of us would rather not be awaken at 6:30 AM by the sound of some guy hollering on a bullhorn like he's passing a kidney stone.
 
Ikari said:
That sounds like a personal problem. It's as illogical as the atheists who seemingly have problems with Church bells ringing in a town.
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It's probably trauma-related. It happens. Sometimes people flash back to a traumatic event, for reasons they can't entirely control. 9/11 was a highly traumatic event.
 
Coronado said:
It may come as a surprise, but some of us would rather not be awaken at 6:30 AM by the sound of some guy hollering on a bullhorn like he's passing a kidney stone.
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Oh, I think there can be reasonable noise statutes put in place for it. But overall, I don't think the practice is in and of itself wrong.
 
Ikari said:
Oh, I think there can be reasonable noise statutes put in place for it. But overall, I don't think the practice is in and of itself wrong.
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I don't believe it has to be broadcast through an entire neighborhood.
 
Oh wow... people being assholes just to be assholes. No big surprise there.

And I'd welcome an Adhan near me, Personally I think it's beautiful. I actually have it burned to a CD that I play in my car with some other arabic music when I'm in the mood
 
Ikari said:
Oh, I think there can be reasonable noise statutes put in place for it. But overall, I don't think the practice is in and of itself wrong.
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Right or wrong, I think you'd agree that I have a right to not have to listen to it while I'm on my property. That's my main issue.

That's just what I need on a Saturday morning after being out all Friday night ... ugh ...
 
Coronado said:
It may come as a surprise, but some of us would rather not be awaken at 6:30 AM by the sound of some guy hollering on a bullhorn like he's passing a kidney stone.
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ALLLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAh akhbar!
 
rivrrat said:
Oh wow... people being assholes just to be assholes. No big surprise there.
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Well yeah, it's the Internet, hon. What else are we supposed to do?

Arabic music I can handle, but the call to prayer makes me want to puncture my eardrums with an awl.
 
Coronado said:
Right or wrong, I think you'd agree that I have a right to not have to listen to it while I'm on my property. That's my main issue.

That's just what I need on a Saturday morning after being out all Friday night ... ugh ...
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It really depends. Because you can say the same about church bells or the icecream man as well. Sound propagates through air and is not going to halt at your property line. That's just how it is. We can say that there are hours of the day or night in which we don't need to hear it. Or a level on how loud something can be. I don't think there's anything to prevent us from being reasonable about our laws and codes of conduct when it comes to these things. It can be worked out.
 
Coronado said:
Well yeah, it's the Internet, hon. What else are we supposed to do?

Arabic music I can handle, but the call to prayer makes me want to puncture my eardrums with an awl.
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That's how I feel about rap
 
rivrrat said:
Oh wow... people being assholes just to be assholes. No big surprise there.
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I know. I'm amazed that these people are insensitive enough to build a mosque, intending to name it Cordoba House, near ground zero. Assholes. Of course, being an asshole is perfectly legal in the U.S., for the most part. It's part of what makes us special and unique.

And I'd welcome an Adhan near me, Personally I think it's beautiful. I actually have it burned to a CD that I play in my car with some other arabic music when I'm in the mood
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It's nothing compared to an 80s mix burned by a gay man.
 
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VanceMack said:
We have another thread with strippers protesting their next door neighbors...a church.

besides...what would be the problem with housing a gay club next to the mosque?
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None whatsoever. What is needed are more portable stands outside selling Sausage sandwiches and BLTs around the perimeter
 
Guy Incognito said:
Yeah, sounds like you've got a real healthy attitude there:roll:
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4 years of it will do that. Sounds like you have a pretty simple minded world vision...but I wont go into that. I'll let you have your safe version of everything is rosy and those extremists wont get worse here. oh...wait...thats why we are HAVING this discussion...
 
Catz Part Deux said:
On the basis of free speech, I support both. However, local zoning ordinances limit the types of businesses which can locate in specific areas. That has nothing to do with free speech, and everything to do with community planning.
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Then definately a pulled pork southern or Texas BBQ place.
 
ric27 said:
None whatsoever. What is needed are more portable stands outside selling Sausage sandwiches and BLTs around the perimeter
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I don't think that food is allowed in NYC anymore. Heheh
 
texmaster said:
Gregg Gutfeld, host of the FOX News show "Red Eye," announced on his show Monday that he would be opening up a gay bar for Islamic men right next door to the highly controversial mosque being built near Ground Zero.

Gutfeld also posted his plans on his blog, The Daily Gut , "I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space. This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance."

Gregg Gutfeld Says He Plans to Open Gay Bar Next to Mosque

Its a free country right? :lamo
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There are zoning rules. I don't think in most places you can build bars right next to churches.

It depends how it's zoned whether a mosque could be built there. NYC dropped the ball if they didn't implement pretty strict guidelines on what could be built in and around ground zero.
 
Ockham said:
Then definately a pulled pork southern or Texas BBQ place.
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With a sign like this:

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Ikari said:
It really depends. Because you can say the same about church bells or the icecream man as well. Sound propagates through air and is not going to halt at your property line. That's just how it is. We can say that there are hours of the day or night in which we don't need to hear it. Or a level on how loud something can be. I don't think there's anything to prevent us from being reasonable about our laws and codes of conduct when it comes to these things. It can be worked out.
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Yes, it is pretty much a case-by-case issue. I think intent has to be taken into account as well as disruptiveness/intrusiveness of the sound.

I don't mind church bells at all, but once I lived near a church that played church bell sounds on a blown out speaker turned up to 11. That was obnoxious.
 
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