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California gay marriage ban overturned: report

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katiegrrl0 said:
Due process was served yesterday when Prop 8 was overturned by a federal judge. Now it will be in the hands of the SCOTUS where same sex marriage will be made legal across the US. The marriage bigot pinheads that thought they were winning when they voted on Prop 8 will be the ones that created the case to make same sex marriage legal in every state. I love this.
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Unfortunately, I don't think it's going to be quite that easy. This will be a fairly long ongoing battle. Just as the battle for civil rights took time, this will too. However, it will be worth it in the long run.
 
FilmFestGuy said:
Tim,

Become an adult.

You just called an entire class of people "deviants" and then claim not to be a bigot?

If the Founding Fathers were so worried about gays getting married, you know what they would have done? They would've written it into the Constitution. They didn't address marriage at all. That's how important they thought marriage was. They left it alone (mostly because they also didn't think much of women's rights, so...)

And there is also nothing in the Constitution that says you can't smoke dope.

Clearly, someone needs to sit down and read our foundational documents again because someone has no idea what they say.
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Read em again? Don't make me laugh. I called an entire culture of people deviants, which they are by all measures.


Tim-
 
disneydude said:
Not really. Obama's personal view is that he does not believe that gay marriage should be allowed. However, he has made clear that this is his own personal view. He opposed Prop 8 and understands that he should not have the right to impose his beliefs on others.
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oh, please

read about how barry's doj argued in the central district, comparing homosexuality to incest and pedophilia

enjoy

Why Does Obama Keep Flip-Flopping on Gay Marriage? - TIME
 
Hicup said:
Read em again? Don't make me laugh. I called an entire culture of people deviants, which they are by all measures.


Tim-
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Must be pretty a hard life to sit around and hate people all day that are different then you.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Must be pretty a hard life to sit around and hate people all day that are different then you.
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People who believe that they are morally superior than everyone else generally don't have a hard time with it.
 
katiegrrl0 said:
Due process was served yesterday when Prop 8 was overturned by a federal judge. Now it will be in the hands of the SCOTUS where same sex marriage will be made legal across the US. The marriage bigot pinheads that thought they were winning when they voted on Prop 8 will be the ones that created the case to make same sex marriage legal in every state. I love this.
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You might love it, and that's fine, however, you clearly do not comprehend that, citing lack of due process as a rationale for overturning Prop 8 is dishonest. It's dishonest to cliam no due process, when in fact due process was served several times leading up to this decision. The case should never have made it to this judge, or ANY judge once delcared constitutional, AFTER the due process of both the hearing to decide whether the ballot initiative was constitutional, and secondly, when the voters voted, and thirdly when the initiative was upheld.

Tim-
 
Hicup said:
You might love it, and that's fine, however, you clearly do not comprehend that, citing lack of due process as a rationale for overturning Prop 8 is dishonest. It's dishonest to cliam no due process, when in fact due process was served several times leading up to this decision. The case should never have made it to this judge, or ANY judge once delcared constitutional, AFTER the due process of both the hearing to decide whether the ballot initiative was constitutional, and secondly, when the voters voted, and thirdly when the initiative was upheld.

Tim-
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You are displaying your ignorance about the difference between State Courts and Federal Courts and their different functions.
 
Hiccup,

I feel your pain. Obviously, it is only a matter of time before the gays will be allowed to marry. I know that and so do you. I can totally understand the frustration one must feel as they watch society evolve and progress thus leaving them and their ideologies of what is supposed to be right and/or wrong, behind in the pages of history.

I saw it happen to my older uncles back during the civil rights era. They were livid that they would have to eat, work, and allow members of another race to share their space.

But, as you see, all's well that ends well. Queers marrying isn't going to ruin the world.

Life is short. Focus on more important things. Like fishing and drinking beer.
 
Hicup said:
You might love it, and that's fine, however, you clearly do not comprehend that, citing lack of due process as a rationale for overturning Prop 8 is dishonest. It's dishonest to cliam no due process, when in fact due process was served several times leading up to this decision. The case should never have made it to this judge, or ANY judge once delcared constitutional, AFTER the due process of both the hearing to decide whether the ballot initiative was constitutional, and secondly, when the voters voted, and thirdly when the initiative was upheld.

Tim-
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Call it what you want. It happened. Deal with it. If you seriously think that things aren't going to change and society isn't going to progress in this area, you are kidding yourself. Gay marriage will be made legal because there are enough people out there who are advocates for it and they won't stop fighting until it is allowed.
 
disneydude said:
The California Supreme Court held the vote "Constitutional" on state Constitutional grounds because prop 8 itself amended the California Constitution.
The issue is whether the law violates that United States Constitution, which it clearly does. All you have to do is look at the incredibly weak case that the proponents of the law put up to understand that they really don't have much of an argument. Even very conservative legal scholars have said that it will be very difficult to make a case for the restriction.
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How so? The language is almost the same. How can a States Due Process, violate the US Constitution, when it is exaclty the same? Should we have the US Supreme Court decide everything now for the states? When do States have the right to govern themselves? If they follow the law, and provide for due process, how is this even a matter for the SCOTUS. The first test the Supremes is whether the State violated due process. Did it?


Tim-
 
Jetboogieman said:
Must be pretty a hard life to sit around and hate people all day that are different then you.
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no more difficult than sitting around hating palin and beck and the millions of knuckle dragging neanderthals who adore them

psst---obama's not ONE OF US

LOL!
 
Hicup said:
How so? The language is almost the same. How can a States Due Process, violate the US Constitution, when it is exaclty the same? Should we have the US Supreme Court decide everything now for the states? When do States have the right to govern themselves? If they follow the law, and provide for due process, how is this even a matter for the SCOTUS. The first test the Supremes is whether the State violated due process. Did it?


Tim-
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I agree with you on the due process claim, I don't really understand the judge's ruling on the due process issue. However, Prop 8 clearly violates the protections of the qual protection clause and the proponents of the law couldn't come up with any legitimate argument for a state interest to justify the violation.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Must be pretty a hard life to sit around and hate people all day that are different then you.
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Really? Normally I would ignore such a baited statement, but I want to ask you if you yourself are tolerant of "everything", and everyone that is different from you? What? No you aren't?.........

Yeah, that's what I thought. Tolerance is very funny thing. You don't want to get into a "tolerance" debate with me. I'll make you look silly.


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Really? Normally I would ignore such a baited statement, but I want to ask you if you yourself are tolerant of "everything", and everyone that is different from you? What? No you aren't?.........

Yeah, that's what I thought. Tolerance is very funny thing. You don't want to get into a "tolerance" debate with me. I'll make you look silly.


Tim-
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Oh....please......go on......
 
The Prof said:
no more difficult than sitting around hating palin and beck and the millions of knuckle dragging neanderthals who adore them

psst---obama's not ONE OF US

LOL!
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I can't speak for others, but I personally don't hate Palin, Beck or their fans. Some people like sensationalism and absurdity with their news. To each their own.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Call it what you want. It happened. Deal with it. If you seriously think that things aren't going to change and society isn't going to progress in this area, you are kidding yourself. Gay marriage will be made legal because there are enough people out there who are advocates for it and they won't stop fighting until it is allowed.
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It might be made legal one day.. But it will only be done by judicial fiat, not by consensus..


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Really? Normally I would ignore such a baited statement, but I want to ask you if you yourself are tolerant of "everything", and everyone that is different from you? What? No you aren't?.........

Yeah, that's what I thought. Tolerance is very funny thing. You don't want to get into a "tolerance" debate with me. I'll make you look silly.


Tim-
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You know, Ive always believed in underpromising and over delivering.

Since you have such a superiority complex, I find no reason to have a civilized debate with you.

As far as tolerance in regards to gays.

Its not about that for me. They should be allowed to do what they want.

**** I encourage it. We got a population crisis...
 
disneydude said:
I agree with you on the due process claim, I don't really understand the judge's ruling on the due process issue. However, Prop 8 clearly violates the protections of the qual protection clause and the proponents of the law couldn't come up with any legitimate argument for a state interest to justify the violation.
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Here's one. Homosexuality is not by any legal measure, a class of people.


Tim-
 
"Feel Good Liberals" and some gays can celebrate now but this is far from a done deal.......What really bothers me is the will of the people has been thrown out over and over again when it comes to this issue.......The 9th circuit covers 9 states, some of which have their own constitutional amendments banning gay marriage.....

It should be real interesting to see how this plays out.............
 
Hicup said:
Here's one. Homosexuality is not by any legal measure, a class of people.


Tim-
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Sorry....legal jurisprudence disagrees with you. Regardless, the equal protection clause does not require that you be a "suspect class".
 
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